Kel-Tec Has Something Very Special for Bullpup Fans—Two Unique Gun Designs—SHOT Show 2014

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Kel-Tec3Kel-Tec introduced not one, but two new bullpup rifles—the RDB outfitted in tactical attire and the M43 with beautiful wood furniture for you traditionalists. Both guns are in 5.56, feature an adjustable gas piston operating system and are ambidextrous. One of the problems with trying to build an ambidextrous bullpup, of course, is that side-ejecting spent casings come out in your ear if you’re firing left-handed, and front-ejecting guns are complex. Kel-Tec solves this problem with an ingeniously simple downward ejection behind the mag well. The RDB sports a tactical picatinny rail and polymer stock, and it comes suppressor-ready. The M43 features folding iron sights and a wood handguard, pistol grip and stock embellishment. These are both accurate, soft-firing guns for close quarters or long-distance work. You get a full 17.4” barrel in a compact package with an overall length of just over 26”. Production guns are expected to hit the dealer pipeline sometime in the fourth quarter of this year. MSRP will be in the $1,900 – 2,000 range. Watch the video for a first look at these two innovative rifles.Kel-Tec7Kel-Tec1

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  • John January 15, 2014, 10:31 am

    RDB is just an RFB in 5.56… The M43 is simply retarded. And like most things from keltec, both will take years to finally get working and out to te market, and then there will only be like 3 of them availabe. Kinda like the RFB… And the ksg that took forever and we still can’t find one on a dealers shelf. Or like the PMR… Another amazing concept, but if you can’t build the damn things that’s all it’ll ever be..

    • Marc T January 16, 2014, 12:31 am

      No kidding….I agree 200% what good is Ke-Tec if you need to wait Two Years and pay some A-hole $4-500 ABOVE M.S.R.P

      It’s annoying and makes me hate their CRAP, such as the P-11 I bought. JUNK, sold it in a week and bought a Sig P238.

    • Barn January 22, 2014, 5:23 pm

      KSG and RFB are excellent running machines and I’d expect that the RDB will be equally proficient. There is a reason why these are not collecting dust on a dealer’s shelf.

  • Dan January 15, 2014, 10:43 am

    I’m sorry, but who cares?! I heard there’s a guy that sells real diamonds for $5 each, and another guy that sells gold bars for $100 each. These things are both almost as common as KelTec firearms! I really wish they’d focus on producing the items they have already designed! I’ve had an RFB on backorder for over 3 years now!

    • Chad January 15, 2014, 8:27 pm

      Well said. Kel-Tec can’t produce them so what is the point in making new designs? Until Kel-Tec can actually supply what they design I really don’t lust after any of their weapons. I don’t really care for their pistols, but there have been a couple of rifles I’d like but waiting months or even years is just crazy.

  • Mike January 15, 2014, 10:54 am

    Nice. I hope this goes better than the KSG bull pup shotgun which is impossible to get. Keltech comes out with these desirable products and cannot deliver to the consumer. It is like getting teased by a hot chick!

    • Bruce January 15, 2014, 4:28 pm

      I totally agree. I have yet to see a KSG :( When they first announced them and the reviews looked pretty good I wanted one soooo bad but yet today still nada :P

    • John January 15, 2014, 9:40 pm

      I agree Mike. And to think Kel-Tec got an award for the KSG. How can you get an award for a gun that has not been seen in public. I don’t know of anyone who has one, nor have I heard of anyone owning one. What a joke! Reminds me of OmamaCare. Extremely hard to get, and when you get it, you don’t like it!

  • chris January 15, 2014, 11:13 am

    $19-20K? … and you would buy one of these instead of a Tavor…..why??

    • Rob January 15, 2014, 8:15 pm

      I wouldn’t but it over a proven system like the Tavor but some may like that it is US made? Just a thought.

    • Chad January 15, 2014, 8:31 pm

      Great point. However, I did get the chance to use a Tavor and the magazine release kept hitting my wrist which was a deal breaker for me so I would have probably liked the Kel-Tec over the Tavor. However, I ended up buying the FN FS200 over the Travor and would most likely choose the FN over the Kel-Tec also.

  • Nonny January 15, 2014, 11:23 am

    “Production guns are expected to hit the dealer pipeline sometime in the fourth quarter of this year.” More like fourth quarter four years from now before you might see one. “MSRP will be in the $1,900 – 2,000 range” Make it $4K after mark-up because there are so few available.

    • Marc T January 16, 2014, 12:37 am

      Kind of my point a few above. I saw an KSG at a Show Two Months ago. Kel-Tec web page LISTS M.S.R.P at $888 if I am correct? The Douchebag at the Show wanted $1500, and the Furniture was scuffed and beat to crap.

      (sure I’ll buy a Gun from you)……..Goodbye!

  • Mike January 15, 2014, 11:23 am

    Gee, will it take three years to actually get this like the KSG? I’m sure the vultures out there will jack the price up to twice the MSRP.

  • Tim January 15, 2014, 12:13 pm

    Great,another gun that Kel-Tec makes that only a few can get and anyone that does get it tries to sell it for double the price on gun broker. Why don’t you guys build the stuff that’s already developed.

  • Davidio Flavio January 15, 2014, 12:49 pm

    Kel Tec is now starting to border on irresponsible, as if incompetent wasn’t enough already.

    To explain, why offer something which you know is not going to be ready for the mass market, in this case, probably a decade away based on their record with other products in the past few years.

    You still can’t find their products anywhere at MSRP, let alone a price that actually reflects the value you get for even a MSRP price.

    Worse, they raised the cost of their shotgun to dealers, based on the fear it would be banned, and after it wasn’t, THEY NEVER REDUCED THE COST TO WHOLESALERS BACK TO WHAT IT WAS!!

    Sorry KT, but having returned more products for service, than I currently own, doesn’t reflect well on whats coming out new.

    Perhaps you should buy someones dedicated line of 1911 production, and sell something that works, until you have enough capital to open a larger manufacturing, and REPAIR facility to keep up with demand.

    Because frankly, this is one seller/purchaser who won’t recommend, own, or try to sell your products anymore.

    • Marc T January 16, 2014, 12:40 am

      Built in Cocoa FL, I have a Condo in Cocoa Beach. About 6-7 Miles away to the Atlantic. Cocoa FL is about the size of a Gnat!

  • SFG January 15, 2014, 1:01 pm

    Nice, good looking products. However, typical Kel Tec they introduce something like this and you can’t get it. The ones they do release are priced two and three times the suggested retail. KSG, PMR, RFB etc.

  • Robb January 15, 2014, 1:25 pm

    Woo hoo! Two more rifles the local FFL dealer won’t be able to order.

    And if you can, have fun being a beta tester for Kel-Tec while you pay for them to work out all the bugs.

    Anyone wanna take bets on how many recalls this one will have?

  • Mike McMahon January 15, 2014, 1:34 pm

    How would the downward ejection be affected when firing from the prone position? Since the weak-side hand is commonly placed beneath the butt of the rifle when shooting off a bipod in the prone, it would seem that the brass would likely be ejected onto the shooters hand. Would the magazine not also prove to be an issue firing prone?

    Thanks,

    Mike

  • Ron January 15, 2014, 1:37 pm

    Is the receiver stamped sheet metal?
    It sure looks like it.
    A departure for Kel-Tec from plastic(polymer).

    • Ron January 15, 2014, 2:04 pm

      sheet metal -I am referring to the M43 with wood forearm and pistol grip.

      The RDB looks to be a typical Kel-tec polymer receiver.

  • JACK SMITH January 15, 2014, 1:56 pm

    I AM STARTING TO LIKE THE “BULLPUP” DESIGN MORE AND MORE WITH MANY MORE APPLICATIONS TO COME i’M SURE. ONE QUESTION. WHO AND WHY GAVE IT THE NAME “BULLPUP”???????? SEMPER FI & OOH-RAH

  • Don Dippel January 15, 2014, 2:00 pm

    Why do you have to have that loud distorted “music” at the beginning and end? I want to hear the people not get blasted with your junk “music”!

  • Tom January 15, 2014, 2:27 pm

    Why would anyone pay $2K for a kel tec when you can buy a Tavor for $1700-1800?

    • Muhjesbude January 15, 2014, 7:06 pm

      …or for that price you can get TWO compact AR-15′s with tried and true reliability accuracy and performance.

      • DHConner February 8, 2014, 9:58 pm

        SO…..Now I know why my gut was telling me NOT to buy Kel-Tec!! Thanks to all you gentlemen who have really raised some sand and cleared the air, I believe I will just go back to “Old Reliable”: Springfield Armory’s M1A. Had one that shot .67″ at 200 off the bench(the shooter was Bob Dodd, bench rest builder with 2 World Records) and a 10x scope. Sold it to pay for my wife’s 2nd Master’s. I guess it was “the right thing” to do, but I sure do miss it. Frankly, Kel-Tec’s stuff, what very, very little I have seen of it, looks like the very first M-16′s, Mattel toys. And way out of line for the material and stamping time of sheet metal. Great ideas, but woefully sad execution. As one reader says below, innovation is great but producing product is what money in the bank. A good blacksmith knows not to have too many irons in the fire, but these people haven’t learned this lesson — not yet, at least.

  • OafDawg January 15, 2014, 2:34 pm

    Screw KelTec! They make a few shotguns or rifles but never make enough to meet demand. The KSG has supposedly been “available” for several years now, but I have yet to see one in person at any price, much less MSRP. Instead of developing a brand new rifle design, they should concentrate on making enough of their already existing guns to meet demand!

    • John January 15, 2014, 7:20 pm

      OafDawg, I couldn’t agree with you more. It doesn’t matter what they supposedly come out with. There will never be any available. Don’t hold your breath, waiting for anything Keltec.

  • John January 15, 2014, 2:43 pm

    Good luck finding one! The Sub-2000, KSG, and the PMR jumped to the top of my list after they were introduced. That was a year ago. I have given up on Kel Tec and moved on to other manufacturers who actually have product to sell.

    I recently read a comment from someone who said, “Kel Tec should stop innovating and start manufacturing”. A well-deserved criticism if you ask me.

    • John January 15, 2014, 7:22 pm

      I waited two years for the Sub2000 and PMR30 too. I eventually gave up and bought from a reputable company, that really has firearms for sale.

  • Billy Blastwave January 15, 2014, 2:56 pm

    Great more vaporware from Kel-Tec

  • elaursen January 15, 2014, 2:58 pm

    Great! More vaporware guns that will never be produced in sufficient quantity for anyone to buy them!

    How about putting a little effort into increasing production numbers on the RFB? And while you’re at it, how about further refining that design with an automatic gas regulator, the downward eject feature from these new guns, and maybe even a reflex (short OAL) suppressor?

    A frustrated potential customer.

  • Julian January 15, 2014, 2:59 pm

    Very Nice !!! I plan on purchasing one someday when they are available !!!

    • parabellum January 15, 2014, 8:06 pm

      Yours rolls out in July 2026.

  • Nathan H January 15, 2014, 3:23 pm

    Keltec doesn’t even keep up with current demands. Not even close ! Where’s the RMR30 you guys promised years ago ? I love my PMR but I payed a high price for it. Love it but wouldn’t do it again. Bull pup and ksg are rarities. I’m so did sapping ed with this companies business ethics.

    • Nathan H January 15, 2014, 3:24 pm

      I meant ” I’m so disappointed “

  • Dave January 15, 2014, 3:43 pm

    Get a Tavor.. Or, I think even better, an AUG..( shot an AUG last year that had a real smooth 3lb trigger.. & its EASY to make an AUG trigger that way..) & even spend an extra $85 to get a left handed bolt if you wanna swap sides. Ever swap a bolt in an AUG? takes under 3 minutes… & that’s if you NEVER did it, & most of that time is swapping the elect port cover from side to side.

    KelTec? waiting 3+ yrs for an RFB for a customer, He wound up getting a “real” FAL from DSA
    Side note… Know after 5000 rds how many times the FAL went back for repair? ZERO…
    Try that with a KelTec

  • Evan January 15, 2014, 4:06 pm

    Kel-Tec is garbage. I don’t care if their guns aren’t readily available enough to meet demand, their guns suck. They’re basically a gimmick company. Like everyone else said, get a Tavor or a Steyr AUG, those are proven designs that actually work.

  • Bill in AK January 15, 2014, 4:21 pm

    Wow, so much negativity and whining!

    I appreciate the innovations that Kel-Tec has been developing lately, these innovations will be beneficial to the entire gun producing industry. I own a few and while it is difficult it is not impossible to find them at reasonably near MSRP. I hate to see so many people commenting on this who are evidencing so much arrogance and entitlement. Honestly it is more than a little disgusting.

    • Sam January 15, 2014, 7:56 pm

      Complaining about corporate irresponsibility: quality control/testing, putting marketing before a realistic manufacturing schedule, isn’t arrogance and entitlement (remember Comrade, customers pay for these guns, they don’t get handed out at the Obamacenter on the first of the month).
      It just reflects the customers desire for quality and service.
      Kel-Tec is reaping what it has sown.

    • parabellum January 15, 2014, 8:22 pm

      They’ll be “beneficial to the entire gun producing industry” when someone takes the Kel Tec concept, improves on it, and meets consumer demand at reasonable prices, like the UTAS-15 over the imaginary KSG. The only disgust should belong to investors in Kel Tec, Inc.

  • John January 15, 2014, 4:23 pm

    Agreed, as I said about the pmr-30 and ksg, KT is long on innovation and short on delivery. Honestly, I have no idea how they are still in business.

  • John January 15, 2014, 4:45 pm

    I’m a dealer have sold many KelTec pistols and sub 2000s products are hard to get have had KSGs on my wants lists for a year. But a buddy called and ordered several direct and is promoting them for his air helo hog hunting business he got all the KelTecs he needed and 3 free KSGs ???
    Kind of disappointing

  • nate January 15, 2014, 4:49 pm

    I Prefer The Forward Ejecting On My 308. I Wonder How Well This New Idea Will Work. My Rfb Is The Best Bullpup I Have Shot. I Read Some Articles On It Last November 2012 And Ordered It. Got It 3 Days Later. It Makes No Sense That People Have Been Waiting 3 Years? Cant Be True. Your Dealer Is Messed Up. I Have Had Zero Issues With It. Around 1000 Rounds Through it. Only Problem Was Reassembly After I Stripped It Down To See How It Worked. Took Awhile To Put Back Together. Keep The New Ideas Coming Kel Tec!

    • David Sommer January 15, 2014, 5:45 pm

      It is true my local gun shop said he had 2 other orders for the RFB that had waited over 18 months and 3 for the KSG one of which he said he had for almost 3 years. Then when June rolled around and both were going to be no longer importable into MD he cancelled all orders and returned deposits, I was only able to get them from Gunbroker.com after losing a whole lot of bids that went up to nearly 175% of MSRP, but now things have cooled considerably.

    • marc January 16, 2014, 4:08 am

      It is true Nate. I have been trying to get several Kel Tecs in our shop (full line firearms store) since they stated they were producing them. We have not been able to obtain even 1 RFB or KSG. This is very unprofessional on Kel Tecs behalf. Not impressed at all.

  • Dave January 15, 2014, 5:10 pm

    What happened to the RMR-30? A .22 magnum carbine that uses the same magazines as the PMR-30. These would be great as my go to survival weapons. Since I’ll never see this combo, it looks like I’ll go with the Sub 2K in .40 S&W and the Glock 22 also in .40 S&W these use the same magazines.

  • Hahahahanahaha January 15, 2014, 5:11 pm

    For the PT Barnum Target. Sports market, these will do well. $1,700-2k buys milled Many-things, Israeli ingenuity, or Prancing Ponies. that are proven, and keep working. MAK-90s or Tavor or the Colt .308/.556.

    So many other great choices for a buyer who shoots a lot and not into “me first” consumer mania. But great for Kel-Tec. They know how to create a buzz. But that buzz leads to nausea and a headache. Not only while waiting, but even after buying, as others noted above.

    I am glad to see a company is creative. Hearing about the raised prices on the KSG out of FUD is disappointing. But they can do whatever is legal. And my consumer choices will respond to their decisions: No Kel-tec for me, ever. Plenty of nice girls at the dance. And I have always preferred keepers. Like a Honda CB750 over a Norton, lol. Half the performance and free oil leaks all day. But you look like Marlon when you ride!!!

  • Dave January 15, 2014, 5:16 pm

    What happened to the RMR-30? A .22 magnum carbine that uses the same magazines as the PMR-30. These would be great as my go to survival weapons. Since I’ll never see this combo, it looks like I’ll go with the Sub 2K in .40 S&W and the Glock 22 also in .40 S&W these use the same magazines.

  • Steven January 15, 2014, 5:26 pm

    I’m not seeing the same issues in my area that you guys are apparently, I own an FRB, that I paid retail for, and my local gun store has multiple KSG’s sitting on the shelf. They are actually giving one away in a raffle next month. From what I’m reading on here, I guess I just got lucky.

  • David Sommer January 15, 2014, 5:36 pm

    The RFB and the KSG are both difficult to get through local gun stores due in part to the ludicrous supply chain where they seem to spin a spinner rather than follow an date of order, it makes no sense. However I was able to buy one of each of these and get it shipped to the Peoples Republic of Maryland in time to beat the Oct. 1st deadline this past year by using Gunbroker.com. The RFB cost me $1,993.03 + $50.00 FFL transfer and the KSG was $1,188.00 + $50.00 FFL transfer, So I can assure you they are available but you will need to be patient if you want to avoid being gouged too badly.

  • Doc January 15, 2014, 5:45 pm

    Ah, Kel-Tec, the never-to-be-great gun company led (?) by someone with delusions of grandeur and an ego not matched by his ability. We have plenty of other, and much better gun producers, so let’s all decide to stop buying from this hopeless and dishonest company. Oh, this “new” product looks poorly designed and, as most commentators herein have noted unlikely to work or be available in our lifetime so why bother with it or them? At all?

  • Horace Potter January 15, 2014, 6:24 pm

    They also “market” a .22 WMR AR-15 type rifle. I’ve tried to get one for two years now.

    Kel-Tec, however, does not seem to have any to sell. What good is a nice tactical rifle in .22 WMR if you don’t have any to sell? Every dealer I’ve contacted has said the same thing…Kel-Tec can’t be trusted to provide their product.

    Is Kel-Tec a one man shop? It would seem that way. They are every bit as reliable as FeatherUSA when it comes to customer response, and providing their products to customers.

    The lesson here is universal…don’t market what you don’t have in hand to sell. That’s just stupid!

    Kel-Tec…email me, if you have the courage, and tell me where I can find even ONEk (1) of your .22 WMR AR type rifles….come one, don’t be shy…just grab that laptop and start typing….

    Hello? Hello?????

  • Diaz January 15, 2014, 6:42 pm

    What all of you neh sayers don’t realize is that KelTecs main income is not in weapons. They are first and foremost a machine shop! Havin their shop only hours from my house I never had problems finding any of their guns including the KSG. You cannot expect a much smaller company to be able to compete with the likes of Browning or Remington or even AUG who all they do is weapons and other gun related articles. Pipe the hell down and enjoy what they put out because everything I’ve ever gotten from them has performed flawlessly and I put my guns through hell to see what they can take.

    • parabellum January 15, 2014, 8:01 pm

      Maybe it’s time they open a new division dedicated to producing what they claim they can and quit teasing consumers with non-existent products. They need the pipe the hell down on the hype marketing.

    • Lamia January 15, 2014, 8:55 pm

      From their website “Kel-Tec CNC Industries. Inc. was founded 1991 in Cocoa , Florida. Initially, a CNC machine shop, Kel-Tec started to manufacture firearms in 1995. Specializing in innovative rifle designs and handguns for concealed carry by law enforcement personnel and qualified citizens, we are now one of the top five handgun makers in the US. making us one of the largest firearms manufacturers in the World.” This is their claim, “one of the “LARGEST” firearms manufacturers in the World.” It’s you, Diaz, that needs to “Pipe the hell down” and stop being a bi*ch boy for kel-tec. Excuse my french ;)

    • John January 15, 2014, 10:26 pm

      Then please explain why Kel Tec heavily advertises their products? There is not an issue of American
      Rifleman that dosen’t have Kel Tec ads. They appear elsewhere as well.

      Kel Tec is run by a gifted designer who hasn’t a clue how to run a manufacturing company. Ask any business professional how wise it is to generate market excitement with new product announcements, then fail to follow through with product.

      This will backfire on Kel Tec and they will sink back into obscurity.

      • Administrator January 16, 2014, 12:52 am

        Don’t worry Kel-Tec is working on adding new production capacity and things will get better with being able to get product. They are a great company trying to keep up with insane demand.

        • BG January 25, 2014, 12:22 pm

          What is the schedule for the addition to be complete? If it is like their current works, it will be years.

        • MAPofFLA January 31, 2014, 7:44 pm

          Kel-Tec should consider allowing other manufacturers to produce their weapons for them and stick to design.

  • Don't be Scared Homie! January 15, 2014, 7:12 pm

    If right down the street I am sure my opinion of KelTec would differ. As a mass market item, very different perspective as a consumer.

    Ideas refreshing. If you get a good example, like a nutnfancy PF9, that is fantastic. The grip on that gun looks nice. All the squarish styled textures.

    The KSG has enticed me since day 1. Same as PMR-30. Even the diminutive p3AT. And the most neatest coolest, the su2000 with glock mags.

    Except for the su16ca, Out here in CA I never seem the except on classifieds at CalGuns. If they were on the shelves, I am sure aid have one or two.

  • John January 15, 2014, 7:18 pm

    Keltec has some very interesting firearms. The problem is, have you ever tried to find or purchase one? They should call themselves, a concept company.

  • Moe January 15, 2014, 7:41 pm

    Sorry, but I’ll never buy a gun who’s two halves are held together by screws (polymer is fine – love the stuff – but holding the gun together with a series of Phillips head screws..?)

  • parabellum January 15, 2014, 7:57 pm

    Great! More exciting stuff from a company that won’t make enough to satisfy consumer demand of what they’ve had out for ten years. Ad this to the long list of Kel Tec fantasy guns that you can eventually get at twice the suggested retail price.

  • Consumer January 15, 2014, 7:59 pm

    Dear Kel-Tec, quite coming up with more novel guns that you can’t produce in triple (or even double..?) digit numbers. Your guns sincerely aren’t that great, and designing more and more of them won’t change that. You have enough models – just iron out their wrinkles and then make more of them! Until you can do that, STAY AWAY FROM THE DRAWING BOARD!!! Thank you!

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  • noel P. mellen January 15, 2014, 8:36 pm

    I’ve owned several Kel Tec handguns and have varying opinions of them. It seems that they come out with a revolutionary idea or variation on a theme but they are either impossible to get or outrageously expensive. It seems they license their technology to others such as Ruger. Gun Test did an article some time back on the .380 Kel Tec and the Ruger .380 and decided they were almost identical. If Kel Tec wants to be a player in the gun field they need to ramp up their production and distributor network. Otherwise they’ll remain a flash in the pan.

  • D.T. January 15, 2014, 8:47 pm

    They r making some cool looking guns. They must work O.K.? because most of their guns r hard to find. I have their 380 and I also have the PF-9. The 380 works and I haven’t shot the PF-9. I’ve read tons of reviews and some love the PF-9 and some hate it. I was going to buy the PMR-30 but they were impossible to find and are expensive, so I bought the Excel 22 mag. Anyway, I’m glad they r doing well but there’s no way I’m going to pay what they r selling most of their guns for now but if the market will allow it, then more power to them!

    • Pops February 4, 2014, 11:11 am

      This is a blog, not a text so you can use “are” instead of “r” — just messing with you. The PMR-30 is a great pistol, in my area they are not impossible to find, but you do have to search and pay around $700. I ended up buying an AMT, nice old stainless .22mag.

  • John January 15, 2014, 9:46 pm

    The Kel-Tec company is a joke. How can you get an award for a gun (KSG Shotgun) when it’s not even available? Guess that old adage stands true….Money talks; Bullshit walks! This KSG should be renamed ObamaKSG. Really hard to get, if you can get it at all. And if you can, you don’t like it!

    • kyle January 20, 2014, 4:42 pm

      KSG is available, I have one and have seen many of them… The joke is on you buddy… Maybe you should start walking with your bullshit…

      • nmellen@bellsouth.net January 26, 2014, 2:30 pm

        You probably paid well over MRSP and have a gun that all the kinks are not programed out. I’ve owned several Kel Tec’s and some were fine one failed me at a bad time due to a plastic follower rod jamming. replaced it with one I made and it works fine. I’m not going to pay twice retail price on that shotgun but you have yours and seem to be happy with it and that in the long run is all that matters.

        PS: we never se anything they produce down here other than the smaller handguns.

      • Pops February 4, 2014, 11:18 am

        I have seen more KSG’s than RFB’s. I think everyone agrees KelTec needs to increase production, but I wouldn’t say the company is a joke, I put a few hundred rounds through a friend’s RFB, no jams, soft recoil, very compact. Just wish he would sell it to me, because I haven’t found another one yet, or a dealer that can get one without waiting a year.
        On a side note, I have had excellent customer service through KelTec, just my experience.

  • redneckradtech January 15, 2014, 11:08 pm

    I was an avid supporter, owner and carrier of kel-tech handguns. no longer.
    I now have sold them in favor of glock reliability and availability.
    How could anyone get excited about kel-tech producing any new concept weapons when they’ve failed to produce current models promised. Years of waiting for ksg and per and what happened to pmr companion carbine?
    I conclude that the reliability must be poor and they cannot remedy problems else they would’ve endeavored to supply demand.

    • kyle January 20, 2014, 4:37 pm

      It’s individuals like yourself with no facts spouting random illogical made-up nonsense… keyboard rangers with no experience or knowledge about any particular subject… that put a bad taste in people’s mouths who might just be looking for good information.

      So just because you haven’t found a KSG on a shelf that must mean they are unreliable? That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read. Again, Kel-Tec is a small company and they are producing their firearms, but the demand is high because they ARE reliable and desirable. I have one… LOVE it. Cycles any shell I’ve tried including MINISHELLS…

      As for the PMR carbine, that was a concept prototype, never did Kel-Tec say it was a production model or that it WILL be a production model… I wish they would make it too, but I’m not going to BASH the company because they didn’t make what I want… I have a PMR30 too by the way, and that pistol runs 100%

      • Pops February 4, 2014, 11:23 am

        I got to hold a KSG once, lol. Thanks for posting your experience with your KSG, I still want to get one. I have seen a few available, usually around $1100 -$1400. Timing just wasn’t right, cost a little high.

  • Greg Merritt January 16, 2014, 4:01 am

    I got my KSG at retail. I bought it just days after they came into stock at my dealer.

    I knew the KSG was a good design when I handled it… and am glad to own it. I didn’t get gouged. I guess I’m in the minority here.

    I’d like one of these new Kel-Tec Polymer .223′s, but I’m sure it would suck to shoot it off a bench, and have the hot brass tumbling into my lap. I’m not into that. Not at all. The price doesn’t justify the end product IMO. I’d opt for the Steyr or Tavor.. as others have suggested. Battle-proven.. and worth the $$$

    • kyle January 20, 2014, 4:28 pm

      The AUG and Tavor you can buy is not the same rifle the Australians and other military actually carry. So, to say the AUG and Tavor are battle proven is actually not a true statement in relation to the rifle you could own. That whole “Battle Proven” phrase is utter BS…

      I have actually handled and fired a real Australian military issue AUG in Afghanistan… ;)

  • WatchingAmericaDie January 16, 2014, 4:18 am

    Make me a KSG… THEN tell me about all the new crap I’ll never get to buy.

  • Wade January 16, 2014, 10:16 am

    Still can’t get A PMR !!! Browning .22 GI model was tough to get for about 4 months then they ramped up production. Why can’t Kel-Tec do this ? Aren’t guns expensive enough with out getting gouged on the gun selling websites ??? Kel-Tec get moving !!!!!!!!

    • MAPofFLA January 31, 2014, 7:54 pm

      My local megamart gun shop here has three PMR-30s on a shelf. Of course they want $799.99 for each.

  • Ron January 16, 2014, 12:55 pm

    I asked earlier – but is that M43 all stamped sheet metal?

  • Dan January 20, 2014, 1:11 pm

    Is Kel-tek deaf? I have never seen such bashing on a site without someone coming to the products’ defense, which tells me that this isn’t “bashing”, it’s more likely reality.

    When I shopped for a pistol, the Kel-teks were some of the worst I looked at so I am really confused. Are they gobbling up patents on “innovative” designs so legitimate manufacturers can’t build them, or are the legitimate manufacturers just not interested?

    • Administrator January 20, 2014, 1:41 pm

      The funny thing about the internet is that it brings out the worst in people. As I write this, over 26,600 people have clicked in from our emails to read this article. What you see here are the people who have self worth issues so they feel like they need to spout about mindless things we all know. Kel-Tec has had a problem with keeping up with demand to some extent over the last few years, especially post-sandy hook. One common thread you will among people who “can’t get a KSG” is that they are internet bottom feeders and that they don’t have a good relationship with a local stocking gun dealer. The stocking dealers have gotten plenty of them, as well as PMR-30s and the Kel-Tec pistols, and they sell them at normal retail price to their loyal local customers. The internet bottom feeders are upset because their tabletop dealers, when they can get one, sell the Kel-Tec guns online for more than MSRP. If the Kel-Tec bashers were to build a relationship with a local stocking dealer they would find that all kinds of guns impossible to find online are regularly available to high volume dealers. Kel-Tec doesn’t need to come in here and defend against people who are going to find a way to bash them one way or the other, and we let those comments through because the other 26,690 people are just laughing at the negative commentators as the fools that they are.

      • BG January 25, 2014, 12:26 pm

        The gun dealer in my home town, who sella a lot of guns has only got three PMR30s’ in the last two years.

      • Louis January 25, 2014, 6:42 pm

        I got one from my local dealer. They sold it at a higher price than MSRP but lower than the gouger prices. Yes, it was my decision to buy at their price and I’m happy with my choice. But the production still needs to be ramped up.

  • kyle January 20, 2014, 4:20 pm

    Wow, you guys are all haters and beyond that… full of crap. I have an RFB and a KSG… and a PMR30, and a SUB2000, oh and a PLR16. Now you do know someone who owns them. My dad also has an RFB, a PMR30, a SUB2000 and an SU16… The guns are out there… You getting upset because you don’t have one or haven’t seen one on a shelf is ignorance. They are being produced, and as soon as they hit the dealears they go straight to gunbroker or are sold on the spot. This is because they are desirable. Kel-tec only has about 30 employees… So, you’re right, they don’t FLOOD the market with their firearms like many other HUGE companies do… They also don’t jack up their wholesale/dealer prices to ridiculousness because their guns are popular. The dealers/retailers and buyers on gunbroker jack up the prices.

    FYI – all of our Kel-Tecs run perfectly… The KSG even cycles MINISHELLS… I ended up with I like 18 rounds or so I think…

    Oh, and the RDB is not a 223 RFB, I wish it were… the RFB ejects forward not downward. That would require a different action. When the RFB action cycles, the twin extractors pull the shell back and a cam rotates the extractor claws up to the ejection chute. I don’t really see any way for this system to eject downward because as the action cycles rearward the empty shell is directly above the next round.
    I am only speculating here, but the only way I can see a bottom magazine fed rifle ejecting out the bottom is for the extractor to pull the shell out and knock it to one side with an ejector similar to a side eject rifle only that is a downward angled chute rather than a hole. Either that or, maybe its an RFB that has a curved ejection chute eventually pointing down instead of forward…I actually would rather it be like the RFB… I think it’s still in design testing prototype phase at this point…

  • OafDawg January 21, 2014, 12:39 pm

    I’ll buy one to sit along side my KSG and PRM30…………………….said no one ever!

    • kyle January 31, 2014, 3:45 pm

      Actually, that’s exactly what I just said… When they are released, I’ll find one and an RMR30 too… and its PMR30

  • vtgunney January 22, 2014, 11:11 pm

    Darn it Mister Administrator, you’re right. Just because Kel Tec has been cock-teasing us with the RMR-30 since…uh…lemme see now…well, since about 2009, that’s no reason to doubt their word on these fine new designs. Funny thing is, when Ruger announces a new gun, you can trot down to any local gun-shop within a month, buy one, and take home a high-quality firearm at a fair price. But seeing all the new Kel-Tecs on computer screens and in gun publications is almost as good, so thanks for all that unsolicited advice to all us whiney posters, and I hope you and Kel-tec keep up the good work.

    • Louis January 25, 2014, 6:52 pm

      Actually Ruger emailed me about the new America .22LR one Thursday evening and I picked it up the next day at my local store. Less than 24HRs, excellent customer service. But then again I attribute that Ruger manufactured and shipped the rifles before the announcement, but that”s as it should be.

  • BG January 25, 2014, 12:14 pm

    I have watched the Kel-Tec adds for several years. I have had a PMR30 on order for over two years. I have shot one that a friend of mine was lucky enough to get. It looks like to me that Kel-Tec would concentrate on building the models that they have had out on the market for years and not worry abousticking new models out there for people to get peeved about knowing they can’t get them. I have sent e-mails to Kel-Tec asking why they are not producing more PMR30s’ and they say they are producing them on a regular basis. I asked a gun dealer to call them and try to get some info. They had actuall shipped about 30 over a three month period. I do not call that putting enough product out on the market. I doubt that i will ever get one.

  • Kaleb January 28, 2014, 2:16 pm

    A friend bought an RFB… we’ve had to send it back twice after taking it to the ranch. Customer support responds on the status in a recent email: “they’re waiting on a barrel or something”. I kid you not, they said “or something” in the email. So yes, it would be nice if they would just focus on making their products available and making their products work instead of making new products! Another guy I know had similar problems with the RFB. Great concept, but a concept that isn’t available and doesn’t work is still just a concept. I will never buy a Kel-Tec product unless they make some major changes in their customer support and product availability which doesn’t appear to be happening anytime soon.

  • woody January 31, 2014, 9:40 am

    Remember Grendel, Same designer ,same problems .

  • jack johnson January 31, 2014, 8:46 pm

    quit simply this is a poorly run company with an incompetent administrative team – they have demonstrated time and again they are simply dabblers in the industry – they develop and promise a product then simply cant deliver – just imagine other industries trying to get away with this – there days are numbered unless they scrap there managment team and start over –

    maybe there engineers are good maybe not – who would know not enough product in circulation to say – suspect they are faulty designs, or to complex to manufacture (complex weapons are prone to malfunction and have reliability issues) – why else would they not be able to deliver?

    - these like most of kel-tec’s concept weapons – probably dont exist – at least in not enough quantity to matter
    but are merely prototypes – which is fine – just say so – like the auto industry says with concept cars

    why would anyone want a weapon – even if it is unique – that comes from a company to incompetent to deliver it as advertized or inept enough to not be able to ramp up manufacturing to fill orders and then get raped by the rare shop distributor that gets a token toy

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