FBI Director: Background Check System Failed, S.C. Church Shooter Shouldn’t Have Been Cleared to Buy Gun

From ABC News:

The FBI says its background-check system failed, allowing the man who allegedly opened fire inside a South Carolina church last month to purchase the gun he used in the rampage.

Speaking to a small group of reporters in Washington today, FBI Director James Comey said 21-year-old Dylann Roof of Lexington, South Carolina, should not have been able to buy the weapon that ultimately killed nine people, including the pastor of the historic church.

When Roof first tried to buy the weapon from a dealer on April 11, an FBI examiner spent several days determining whether the sale should be approved. The examiner missed Roof’s previous admission to drug possession during an arrest, which under FBI guidelines should have barred him from buying a gun, according to Comey. Roof obtained the weapon on April 16.

“This case rips all our hearts out,” Comey said.

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This latest development raises a lot of what-ifs.  To state the obvious one, what if the check had worked properly and he wasn’t cleared to buy a gun, would that have prevented the tragedy?

Maybe.  But then again, maybe not.  This disturbed young man has a hate-filled heart and he was determined to start a race war.

Perhaps the background check could have delayed him from lashing out as he would have to figure out another way to get his hands on a gun or find another way to inflict harm on innocent people, but as far as stopping him altogether — short of killing him or arresting him and getting him off the streets for a significant period of time (not the type of shot sentence he would earn if he was arrested for being a prohibited person attempting to buy a firearm) — I’m not sure any law or background check would have stopped him.

So, yes, one can lament that the background system failed to do its job.  But I think what is more lamentable is that none of those victims had the means (maybe due to a gun-free church policy or maybe their own beliefs about gun ownership) to defend themselves against that sociopath.

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  • Patrick W Coder August 8, 2016, 5:22 pm

    Are you willing to have an all out civil war to jeep our America

  • Mahatma Muhjesbude July 13, 2015, 1:16 pm

    Sorry people, but despite the inherent challenges of ubiquitous human tragedy, we can’t let our ‘moral subjectiveness’ outweigh the revelations of superior and honest reasonable objectiveness supported by liberty and justice for all.

    And as JC says, in the absence of verifiable fact, we STILL don’t know the truth yet? Everybody’s pet goldfish knows by now the agenda based mendacity of the MSM is rivaled only by the intentional totalitarian mission constantly perpetrated on the people by the government.

    So let me just point out something more ‘insidious’ in this information here.

    So according to the article above, the so called FBI ‘examiner’ spent several days ruminating over whether or not to decline the authorization and somehow supposedly ‘missed’ a ‘fact’ that the examiner “missed Roof’s previous admission to drug possession during an arrest”.

    Hmmm. Having just scrutinized the newest version of the form 4473–you know the one that cleverly prohibits PTSD combat Vets from possessing firearms., I still see no question on the form that asks anything like “Have you ever admitted you possessed drugs while being arrested?”

    Plus it’s pretty curious, to say the least, that according to director Comey that an examiner struggled for days laboring over the dilemma?

    It used to be pretty simple before 2012? What happened to simple ‘instant background checks’ for felony disqualification, only?

    It Couldn’t be that the government simply doesn’t have enough felons in the population to effectively disarm enough people to preclude what looks like an imminent ‘Jefforsonian’ resistance to obvious out of control totalitarian agendas…so they are now trying to figure out ways to make MORE of us Criminals!

    So I’d like to know the simple facts that if this Roof person was, or was not, a convicted felon, why was FBI, no less, belaboring the process over days? Was this a Freudian slip of the lip by Mr.Comey? The Background Check should have taken all of five minutes? I mean, by the wording the Director provided that means that about half of the people that most of us know would fall under that ‘guideline’ for non purchase approval in the form of “…a drug possession during an arrest”! Where’s the qualifiers and caveats?

    Are they saying that Anybody having any controlled substances in the form of prescriptions on them while being arrested for a traffic violation can now be declined a firearm purchase?

    You bet your last full magazine they are.

    Actually, it’s coming sooner than you think, to a fascist neighborhood near you.

    Don’t forget about one in every three of us out there now can be clinically diagnosed with some kind of ‘abnormal’ mental condition or emotional issues possibly requiring your body to be under the ‘constant’ (addictive) influence of some kind of medication(drug).

    What people are not getting yet is that the BATF forms are written by Administrators. The wording is specifically designed to circumvent the true meaning and Law of The Land regarding the 2nd Amendment. The BATFE and now, apparantly the FBI can interpret the questions and purchase mandates as they want to. If they can’t repeal the 2nd/A, they’ll just make more laws, or administrative mandates to get around it.

    The only way to beat it is the start counter attacks by repealing ALL anti-2nd/A laws in place. Starting with the one that is causing us all this illegal and unnecessary tyranny. The egregiously totalitarian confiscation Gun Control Act of 1968.

    It’s getting pretty obvious what they’re trying to do. And please don’t respond with any nonsense about it being physically improbable to accomplish such draconian measures en masse. FYI they do it with every truck driver you see on the road. They all must stop in one of the numerous ‘drug testing’ facilities before they are ‘allowed’ to drive. It would be no trouble at all to extend that to gun purchases in the specious spirit of ‘Public Safety’. The anti-2nd/A groups are salivating about this already. Imagine knocking out firearm ownership rights of multi-millions of gun owners, with one slick synergistic appliction of laws and mandates already in existence. Then bribe leftist oriented state governments to facilitate compliance and like the ‘devil’s magic show’, guess what?

    Oh, by the way. Upon tertiary perusal of the 4473 one more time before i ended my comment here, I found it.

    Yup, it’s there. obfuscated and convoluted but certainly subject to interperetational focus by agenda based agents.(see if you can spot it without me pointing it out)

    But then that still doesn’t explain why the FBI is conducting background checks taking several days to complete…just for a gun purchase, and still ‘failing’ on top of it?

  • Mahatma Muhjesbude July 13, 2015, 1:13 pm

    Sorry people, but despite the inherent challenges of ubiquitous human tragedy, we can’t let our ‘moral subjectiveness’ outweigh the revelations of superior and honest reasonable objectiveness supported by liberty and justice for all.

    And as JC says, in the absence of verifiable fact, we STILL don’t know the truth yet? Everybody’s pet goldfish knows by now the agenda based mendacity of the MSM is rivaled only by the intentional totalitarian mission constantly perpetrated on the people by the government.

    So let me just point out something more ‘insidious’ in this information here.

    So according to the article above, the so called FBI ‘examiner’ spent several days ruminating over whether or not to decline the authorization and somehow supposedly ‘missed’ a ‘fact’ that the examiner “missed Roof’s previous admission to drug possession during an arrest”.

    Hmmm. Having just scrutinized the newest version of the form 4473–you know the one that cleverly prohibits PTSD combat Vets from possessing firearms., I still see no question on the form that asks anything like “Have you ever admitted you possessed drugs while being arrested?”

    Plus it’s pretty curious, to say the least, that according to director Comey that an examiner struggled for days laboring over the dilemma?

    It used to be pretty simple before 2012? What happened to simple ‘instant background checks’ for felony disqualification, only?

    It Couldn’t be that the government simply doesn’t have enough felons in the population to effectively disarm enough people to preclude what looks like an imminent ‘Jefforsonian’ resistance to obvious out of control totalitarian agendas…so they are now trying to figure out ways to make MORE of us Criminals.

    So I’d like to know the simple facts that if this Roof person was, or was not, a convicted felon, why was FBI, no less, belaboring the process over days? Was this a Freudian slip of the lip by Mr.Comey? The Background Check should have taken all of five minutes? I mean, by the wording the Director provided that means that about half of the people that most of us know would fall under that ‘guideline’ for non purchase approval in the form of “…a drug possession during an arrest”! Where’s the qualifiers and caveats?

    Are they saying that Anybody having any controlled substances in the form of prescriptions on them while being arrested for a traffic violation can now be declined a firearm purchase?

    You bet your last full magazine they are.

    Actually, it’s coming sooner than you think, to a fascist neighborhood near you.

    Don’t forget about one in every three of us out there now can be clinically diagnosed with some kind of ‘abnormal’ mental condition or emotional issues possibly requiring your body to be under the ‘constant’ (addictive) influence of some kind of medication(drug).

    What people are not getting yet is that the BATF forms are written by Administrators. The wording is specifically designed to circumvent the true meaning and Law of The Land regarding the 2nd Amendment. The BATFE and now, apparantly the FBI can interpret the questions and purchase mandates as they want to. If they can’t repeal the 2nd/A, they’ll just make more laws, or administrative mandates to get around it.

    The only way to beat it is the start counter attacks by repealing ALL anti-2nd/A laws in place. Starting with the one that is causing us all this illegal and unnecessary tyranny. The egregiously totalitarian confiscation Gun Control Act of 1968.

    It’s getting pretty obvious what they’re trying to do. And please don’t respond with any nonsense about it being physically improbable to accomplish such draconian measures en masse. FYI they do it with every truck driver you see on the road. They all must stop in one of the numerous ‘drug testing’ facilities before they are ‘allowed’ to drive. It would be no trouble at all to extend that to gun purchases in the specious spirit of ‘Public Safety’. The anti-2nd/A groups are salivating about this already. Imagine knocking out firearm ownership rights of multi-millions of gun owners, with one slick synergistic appliction of laws and mandates already in existence. Then bribe leftist oriented state governments to facilitate compliance and like the ‘devil’s magic show’, guess what?

    Oh, by the way. Upon tertiary perusal of the 4473 one more time before i ended my comment here, I found it.

    Yup, it’s there. obfuscated and convoluted but certainly subject to interperetational focus by agenda based agents.(see if you can spot it without me pointing it out)

    But then that still doesn’t explain why the FBI is conducting background checks taking several days to complete…just for a gun purchase, and still ‘failing’ on top of it?

  • DRAINO July 11, 2015, 7:31 am

    They say they are pushing background checks…..but like Obama-care….its not the end game…..they want background checks to fail as well so they can go for the out right ban.

  • JC July 10, 2015, 5:18 pm

    First we are told his father bought it for him, his mother took it away from him, he stole it back from mother, he commited the crime.
    Now we are told he fell thru the background check cracks and bought himself.
    So which is it?
    Not possible to trust MSM. What changed the agenda?

  • DRAINO July 10, 2015, 3:01 pm

    Uh….let’s face it….a back ground check is only as good as the information in the program, which is only as good as the people being paid to input said information. Just like the immigration system….it’s there but needs LOTS of attention. But could be much more effective if fixed properly.

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