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An LGBT rights group known as “Gays Against Guns” released an ad campaign Thursday targeting the national concealed carry reciprocity bill making its way through Congress.

Titled “Reciprocity is an Atrocity,” the ad warns its viewers that H.R. 38 and S. 446 — which allow concealed carry nationwide — will “overturn your state’s gun laws.” The bills will also allow “guns to travel freely across state lines,” permitting someone to “buy a gun in Texas and bring it to a school in New York.”

The ad ends with a series of protesters holding signs that read “Not in my City” and “Not in my Nightclub,” among other locations. People in white clothes stand in the background, representing those who have been killed in gun-related incidents.

The Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017 unifies the patchwork of concealed carry laws across the nation. Under this legislation, if a person is allowed to carry a concealed firearm in his or her state of residence, that person is also permitted to carry a firearm in another state that allows individuals to carry concealed firearms.

The legislation is designed to protect individuals who cross state lines and unintentionally break that state’s concealed carry laws.

Kevin Gotkin, a member of Gays Against Guns, said in a statement that the proposals are “the opposite of common sense.”

“They undermine the safety established in places like New York City, where legislators have worked hard to protect us from gun deaths,” he said.

The National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action notes that the new law does not override state laws that govern time, place, or manner of carriage.

“Individual state gun laws would still be respected,” they said in an alert on February 21. “If under federal law a person is prohibited from carrying a firearm, they will continue to be prohibited from doing so under this bill.”

The legislation will also not affect current laws governing the purchase of firearms. Unless a person is a resident of Texas, that person cannot, as Gays Against Guns claims, buy a gun in Texas and take it to a school in New York.

The bill’s sponsor in the House, Rep. Richard Hudson, R-North Carolina, calls the bill, “a common sense solution to a problem too many Americans face.”

“Our Second Amendment right doesn’t disappear when we cross state lines, and this legislation guarantees that,” he said in a Jan. 4 statement. “This will provide law-abiding citizens the right to conceal carry and travel freely between states without worrying about conflicting state codes or onerous civil suits.”

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  • George Ulcny April 15, 2017, 3:42 am

    ‘ The safety established in New York City ‘….What safety ? How about the safety established in Chicago, another city with strict gun laws ? Or DC pre-Heller ?

  • Maria April 4, 2017, 1:28 pm

    Not all of us gay people are anti gun. I carry everyday. I won’t go anywhere that I can’t carry my gun. We definitely need this bill passed. There are ignorant people in every walk of life. They should educate themselves before going public and spewing ignorance.

    • Robert April 14, 2017, 4:05 pm

      Thank you for your support. When I saw it was a national LGBT group, I was upset at those who are LGBT then you indicated your support for the concealed carry. You let the wind out of my sail and I thank you for it!

  • Andrew N March 31, 2017, 1:40 am

    Funny, I always thought “Reciprocity is an Atrocity” would be a great anti-LGBT slogan. After all, isn’t that what they do for each other, since they have the same “parts” to work with?

  • J J Gutenberger March 25, 2017, 10:27 am

    I think education is the key ,people are always afraid of things you don’t understand .They should make every school teach class on firearm safety! The younger the better, that way when when a child or anyone finds a weapon a gun they would know what it can do there would be less accidents. You will never stop all accidents, cars , swimming pools , everything has a dangerous point to it even taking a bath !!! Education is the key

  • JT March 25, 2017, 9:04 am

    “They undermine the safety established in places like New York City, where legislators have worked hard to protect us from gun deaths,” he said.”Too funny! Just like they\’re working hard in Chicago. What ever would we do without those brave politicians to protect us from ourselves?

    • Robert April 14, 2017, 4:08 pm

      Chicago the toilet bowl of the United States where they have the toughest gun control laws and only the criminals are armed and the city has highest number of shooting in the United States. Chicago, thank you for being such a great example showing how great gun control works. We will all feel safer now!

  • Roger March 25, 2017, 6:22 am

    GAG………GAYS AGAINST GUNS are you kidding me, Who thought this name up ????

  • vinny March 25, 2017, 12:46 am

    Perhaps some of these people and others should consider relocating to Great Britain,where firearms are illegal. No worries there for you. And what happened to all the people moving to Canada?

  • Jim C March 24, 2017, 10:55 pm

    Is there really a gay group out there calling itself “G.A.G.” ?

  • Icemancold March 24, 2017, 3:28 pm

    Just another Gay,Lesbian,Transgender group trying to shove their beliefs and obscene way of life down the throats of straight heterosexual people.

  • Mike Watkins March 24, 2017, 2:14 pm

    Just another tiny but loud group trying to tell everyone else what to do.

    So sad that there are so many in State and Federal offices who bow down to these idiots.

  • C. Aldridge March 24, 2017, 12:36 pm

    They’re probably just another George Soros/Michael Bloomberg funded group trying to strip us of our Second Amendment Rights. They don’t understand or don’t want to understand the concealed carry reciprocity idea. It has nothing to do with purchasing firearms.

  • Robin L Shumaker March 24, 2017, 12:30 pm

    I am a Transgendered Female also a Life Member Of NRA and Life Member of VFW> I pack all the time don’t judge us all by theses ass holes. Thanks

    • Ned Rierson March 24, 2017, 8:24 pm

      Two sexes, man or woman. You have a penis or you don’t. Pretty simple stuff here. Pay your annual dues, carry your firearm where and when you can and be sure to wash your hands after you use the correct one (of two) rest rooms.

    • Geoff March 25, 2017, 8:17 am

      You’ll probably catch some static from people on here for being trans, but good on you for standing up and owning it. Before the negative comments come in, I request the same in not judging all of us by the comments of others.

  • Jason March 24, 2017, 11:27 am

    Hypocrisy at its finest. They have no problem with a Supreme Court ruling that says all states must equally respect the First Amendment right to marry whomever one chooses; however they do have a problem with legislation that says all states must respect (not even to an equal degree) a person’s Second Amendment right to bear arms. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. They seem to only be concerned with the rights with which they agree and say to heck with everyone else’s rights

    • IntelU March 24, 2017, 1:38 pm

      You just described how ALL liberals think..it’s only ok if they support it..if they don’t, It must be racist or whatever new buzz word they”re sporting this week.

  • AK March 24, 2017, 11:26 am

    Wonder what Pink Pistols would have to say about this?

  • KurtW March 24, 2017, 10:40 am

    YETH!!!! It’s jutht FAB-U-LUSSSSS that nobody had any defense in Pulse a while back!!!! O M G !!!! Can you jutht imagine someone having one of those vicious guns besides Omar? Just one gun was more than enough!!! Another would have been too intense.
    OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ……..

  • Robert J. Lucas March 24, 2017, 10:08 am

    The ‘Gays Against Guns’ Crowd, needs to educate themselves about the national LGBTQ guns right group the “Pink Pistols”.
    I believe that this firearms group would think differently about the ‘Gays Against Guns’ agenda. History has shown us what can happen with this limited philosophy. They should be more concerned about the global problem that could be knocking at their doorstep, when Anti-LGBTQ Groups decide to burn someone alive, or throws a member of the LGBTQ community off a roof.
    They really should reconsider their position.

  • Abnormal March 24, 2017, 9:25 am

    Gays Against Guns – GAG – that’s funny stuff.

    • American USMC March 24, 2017, 9:58 am

      Funny maybe. Why care what this off center group says ? I love my wife shes a real woman.

  • DEFENDER88 March 24, 2017, 9:03 am

    I believe in the right to own a gun. But like I believe in the right to fee speech (the 1st Amend)
    that “Right” carries some responsibilities like not yelling Fire! in a crowded theater. As for Driver License good in all 50 states – yes BUT – you have to take a driver test to show you know how to drive and the rules of the road.
    So I also believe the “Right” to “Carry” a gun ie “Go Armed”(In Public) carries the responsibility to be
    trained and proficient in its use under stress. In “your home” do what you want”.
    I will and do fight for your “right” to own a gun and use it as you want “at home”.
    But – I don’t want people shooting in public who are not trained in the skills this requires to be reasonably
    competent. Going to the range 2-3 times a yr and shooting a box of 50 at a wall does “NOT” qualify you.
    So I advocate to get a permit to carry you should have to get some training in shooting in public and
    the realities of what it takes to, “even have a chance”, to do it properly.
    I advocate a National Permit to carry that requires this training and would be good in all 50 states.
    The States can also have their specific requirements but would not affect the National permit.

    • Russ March 24, 2017, 10:24 am

      “As for Driver License good in all 50 states – yes BUT – you have to take a driver test to show you know how to drive and the rules of the road.” In case you didn’t know, driving is not a right but a privilege!

      • DEFENDER88 March 24, 2017, 12:05 pm

        I know. But the Logic is the same. AND perhaps the gun-grabber states like Calif and NJ either will or can be forced to accept/recognize a National Gun Permit/Certification.

      • George Murphy March 24, 2017, 1:35 pm

        The 2nd Amendment IS a right….not a privilege! Driving is not mentioned in the Constitution so it is left up to the States to decide how they want to deal with it. The 2nd Amendment is LAW…..Federal Law and should not be subject to limitations….Shall NOT be infringed!

    • IntelU March 24, 2017, 1:46 pm

      Oh yeah..lets just regulate the shit out of it like Cali does to make buying a gun a complete nightmare!OR,if you actually PROVE you need to carry concealed in cali you must have a safe in your vehicle to carry your gun around town..What’e the fucking point for being comcealed when your not even allowed to carry the damn thing.

    • celtsrevenge March 24, 2017, 4:23 pm

      Good for you. Let’s have yet another government intrusion into our inalienable (God given, not legislatively given) rights. Just think, a federal data base of all concealed carry participants. What could possibly go wrong? As much as I appreciate your willingness to “fight” for my rights (at home) I’ll decline your help.

  • Glenn61 March 24, 2017, 9:00 am

    Just goes to show that Left/Right politics divide the homosexuals as much as everyone else.

  • Len Saunders March 24, 2017, 8:52 am

    No offense meant but why is our country and government allowing such a small percentage of our total population to, “Allowing the tail to wag the dog?”. Ridiculous. The LGBT Community should be able to voice their opinion on all matters just like any individual citizen or collective group of citizens.

    However, that said the LGBT’s equal a whopping 3.8% at the kindest estimate I could find. That is on-line with the Muslim community percentage with-in the United States. Can we quit giving these small groups or communities so much importance in what they support please? I for one am tired of the constant rhetoric from these smaller percentage groups.

    To be clear I am not anti-LGBT or Muslim. I have many ties to both throughout my life. I just do not believe they should be allowed to dictate our laws and precedent here in the U.S. as that is for the majority to decide, always. The Universal CCW Movement should be understood already per the 2nd Amendment. We have a “Right to bear arms, uninfringed”. That means open-carry, concealed-carry, on our person, in our cars, our bicycles, our motorcycles, airplanes, school grounds, government buildings, in our homes, businesses, our state or federal government property, “uninfringed”.

    The 2nd Amendment does not stipulate or does it allow regulation for any citizen being stripped of their right to bear arms. That a citizen, in the federal or state’s laws has broken a law, neither, by the wording of the 2nd Amendment allow or justifies, or can dis-allow, a citizen of the United States to bear arms. The law was written specifically to protect every citizens’ rights to self-protection. Self-protection from another individual, or a state government, or the federal government. “We, the citizens of the United States, have a Right – to bear arms, uninfringed – period”

    We need to hold to our rights as specifically laid out by our Forefathers. We need to undo the infringements in place now, illegally, by a rogue few whether through individula, collective, state of fedearl government, Congressional, Judicial, or Executive. “Uninfringed means uninfringed”. Period.

    That is not my opinion. That is the law, amendement, as written, approved, and enacted. “Uninfringed”
    Thank you.

    • Z March 24, 2017, 10:26 am

      Just a couple things I want to point out, 1.) the article doesn’t suggest that the LGBT community is in any way making policy or dictating the laws of the nation. Some people from a particular group who are opposed to the National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act are passing bad information, period. 2.) Do not use quotations unless you are actually quoting a person or document. 3.) “..shall not be infringed.” is not, “Uninfringed”. Despite your end paragraph, that is not, “..the law, amendment, as written, approved and enacted.”
      You’re welcome.

  • Randy March 24, 2017, 8:38 am

    I think the national reciprocity is an atrocity, too. It should be unnecessary! What needs to happen is the Federal government needs to force all states to enforce ALL of the constitution, not just the parts they agree with. Imagine, if you will, if states put regulations on the 1st, 4th, or the 19th amendments. Their would be the largest public outcry you have ever seen. Why is the 2nd any different?

    • Rick March 24, 2017, 8:43 am

      So what your saying is you dont believe in the “Bill of Rights”

      • Z March 24, 2017, 10:32 am

        Clearly you have minimal reading comprehension skills. Randy, is making the point that the Bill of Rights, in its entirety, should apply nationwide. The first amendment is universally upheld, the second amendment should be as well. Where Randy goes astray is in not recognizing that the 4th amendment is not equally applied across the country. Consider the Stop and Frisk laws in effect in certain cities.

    • Rick March 24, 2017, 8:47 am

      My wife and I are retired and travel through out this country. The states that deny me to carry we by pass. I dont think people realize how big and how desolate this country is and to be able to carry is very comforting. Lets help the retired group and others.

  • larry March 24, 2017, 8:35 am

    Yeah, don’t lump LGBT with anti-gun. Plenty of pro-gun gays out there. This group is doing them all a disservice.

    • Dani March 24, 2017, 10:53 pm

      You are absolutely correct, Larry. Thank you for your comment. I am a lesbian, a Republican, an NRA supporter, pro Trump, etc. The beliefs of these ignorant activists in no way reflect the general consensus of the gay people I know. Please do not lump us all into this group.

  • Rip March 24, 2017, 8:07 am

    Make up that tee shirt John Levasseur and you will be a millionaire

  • Fred March 24, 2017, 6:21 am

    Funny thing is we have drivers licenses in one state and are allowed to drive in any state (also Canada, Mexico etc) why not allow CC in all states?? There are many more people killed on a daily basis with cars, trucks, etc then people killed with guns each year. Common sense has been dead for years, case in point, write a new law with hope that we the people will obey knowing all along that the law is unenforceable. Examples: texting while driving, drunk driving (some enforcement here), jay walking. Too many others to list here!

  • Dave S March 24, 2017, 5:48 am

    Whats crap is the states ( eq… New York ) will simply revoke concealed carry permits and those of us who have fought hard to have one will lose their permits…Dumb law…Do it right or don’t do it…Dave NRA Pistol Instructor and RSO

    • larry March 24, 2017, 8:34 am

      Heller says they can’t.

      • Aardvark March 24, 2017, 3:32 pm

        And if the left and much of the establishment right followed the law, a CC permit would not be necessary. The states, counties, and cities in the US are not legally able to enact laws that violate the Constitution, yet they do and get away with it. No where in the 2nd Amendment are there exceptions to our God given rights.

    • Z March 24, 2017, 10:36 am

      If you live in New York and have a concealed carry permit, the national reciprocity act has no bearing on your ability to carry. Subsequently, If you live in New York and do Not have a concealed carry permit, you could acquire one in another state and then comply with the New York laws for concealed carry.

  • David March 24, 2017, 5:14 am

    Much as I don’t care what that community does behind closed doors and feel that is none of my business, I really care even less what their opinion is. They are a smaller slice of the demographics than 2A supporters and their will is theirs and will NEVER be mine.

  • DrThunder88 March 24, 2017, 5:14 am

    The title is a bit misleading. This is not an LGBT group so much as it is an anti-gun group. I found myself getting ready to scathe said group for outing themselves as having hijacked valid, group concerns in order to promote a divisive, political agenda with the legitimacy of that group. However, “Gays Against Guns” is pretty manifest in its purpose.

    I would also point out one definition of “the opposite of common sense” would be “exceptional sense”.

  • John LeVasseur March 24, 2017, 4:47 am

    I’m a big supporter of LGBT, ( Liberty, Guns, Beer and Trump ).

  • Joe March 24, 2017, 4:28 am

    Make a dildo gun and the fruit loops will come on board, especially when they find out they have a built in holster already.

    • jim March 24, 2017, 8:55 am

      Now that’s funny..

    • Glenn61 March 24, 2017, 9:04 am

      LOL…..!,,, they can have quick draw competitions

  • MassLine March 18, 2017, 1:11 am

    Wouldn’t call it an LGBT group… More like an anti-LGBT group. Most of my LGBTQ+ friends are very pro-gun or indifferent. Armed queers don’t get bashed as it goes.

  • Tom hangan March 17, 2017, 7:09 pm

    I SEE DUMB PEOPLE!

  • Jay S Leonard March 17, 2017, 6:37 pm

    You ARE that “Special” kind of STUPID aren’t YOU?…..

  • SuperG March 17, 2017, 12:37 pm

    ““They undermine the safety established in places like New York City, where legislators have worked hard to protect us from gun deaths,” he said.”
    What safety? What protection? Did making it illegal for the old man to conceal carry save him from the four thugs who mercilessly beat and robbed him? Did it save the jogger from being murdered? I can go on, but it is insane to make the point that because guns are taken away from honest citizens, that those citizens are safer. If any group has a greater need to conceal carry, I should think it would be the gay groups. They have been persecuted for decades, attacked and murdered because they couldn’t defend themselves, and now some gays want to continue that for them. Disgusting. You are only safe when you can protect yourself from a threat. When there are more than one threatening you, you need something to equalize the playing field.

    • Jerry Liles March 24, 2017, 9:29 am

      Get bumped from a flight in New York, pull your luggage and recheck for next flight, gun declared at check in, get arrested for possession in NYC

      • Captain Bob March 24, 2017, 2:51 pm

        True, so don’t “pull your luggage.” Go to a hotel with the clothes on your back, get a toothbrush and razor from them and just wear the same underwear for one more day. As long as your luggage stays with the airline you are OK.

  • Jake Lee March 17, 2017, 11:31 am

    That is interesting that the lgbt community would be opposed to something that ensures individual liberties exist in all state’s equally. Just a few years ago similar arguments were being made about gay marriage.

    • Tom hangan March 17, 2017, 7:14 pm

      I agree, is like their rights are the only ones that matter. Reciprocity means that a law abiding law enforcement officer can take their gun into another state and defend the public if needed. Where do these flakes turn when the shit hits the fan, an armed person.

    • Z March 24, 2017, 10:39 am

      One small, vocal contingent with a self declared title doesn’t represent the majority.

    • Captain Bob March 24, 2017, 2:56 pm

      What’s REALLY interesting is that these morons actually think that not repealing a law is going to prevent someone from buying a gun in one state and shooting up a school in another. The only people that follow laws are the law-abiding and those good folks wouldn’t do harm even if there were NO law. “No gun law ever prevented a crime.” Think about that.

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