As you may or may not know, there is a buying freeze in the suppressor market right now. The reason for this is that many, many potential suppressor purchasers are waiting for the Hearing Protection Act (HPA) — which would remove cans from the NFA naughty list — to become law someday soon.
Someday. Well, the problem with “someday,’ as CCR has told us, is that it “never comes.” Okay, I may be overly cynical with that CCR reference. The HPA may indeed become law. But the question is when? Six months from now? Next year? After the 2018 midterms? It’s really anyone’s guess, which is why if you’re in the suppressor market you might as well just pull the trigger now.
As SIG Sauer’s John Hollister explains in the video above there are multiple reasons to get your can sooner rather than later. Here they are in a nutshell (well, bullet-pointed, actually):
- As mentioned, there is no guarantee that HPA will become law.
- If HPA does pass, there is a $200 tax credit given to anyone who buys a suppressor after Oct. 2015. That tax credit negates the NFA $200 tax stamp.
- If HPA does pass, there will be an excise tax added to all suppressors thus raising the price. NFA items are exempt from this excise tax.
- If HPA does pass, the demand for suppressors will skyrocket and the high-end materials used to make suppressors will in-turn become more costly to procure. This additional expense will be passed on to consumers.
- With demand low right now, there is a wide selection of suppressors at low prices
Those are all fair points Mr. Hollister makes. If you haven’t already, get your NFA ducks in a row and go out and buy a suppressor. Don’t wait on HPA. Someday, may never come.
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With the addition of 41F, I am not able to buy anything. In my city we have a police force that has had 2 officers die of drug over doses, 3 that have been caught red handed stealing from homes and a list of other not so nice things.
41F would inform them of my collection (by law I am forced to tell the chief what I am buying) and I as a responsible owner do not6 want to hand over that type of temptation to the local criminals.
If the HPA passes or 41F is rescinded are the only ways I will be able to purchase anymore NFA items.
Well “someday” came to Tennessee. We have suppressor a now off the NFA naughty list. I can walk into any gun shop that sells them. Fill out the paperwork and walk out with it IN HAND!! thank you to all who voted YEA to pass the Tennessee hearing protection act!!!!
SURE YOU CAN ! HOW\’S THAT WORKING OUT FOR YOU ?
Sig pushing cans…. I’ve had my Sig LEO can on order for over a year!
One thing I don’t see any one commenting on is, even if HPA does pass, in 4 or 8 years the next regime will put it back. That’s what happened with the motorcycle helmet law in Louisiana. New Gov repealed it and no helmets for 4 years, next Gov put it right back first thing.
If HPA passes and stays, price will jump initially and they will be impossible to find, then the prices will come down slowly till the market is saturated. All the plain jane companies will die and the only ones left will be the ones that have something special that the 80 percenters can’t replicate at home like unique mounting systems and the best tech for sound reduction. Eventually it will be, “buy a gun and we’ll throw in a free suppressor” because there is no reason for them to cost anything now other than the restrictions.
I have a couple of issues with the Hearing Protection Act:
1.The bill is really simple, which is good. The bad news is that from a Law perspective, it is deeply flawed. We don’t want/need the courts filling in the blanks for us.
2. Removing Sound Suppressors from the NFA and making them Title I firearms sounds like a really good deal. However if you think about it for a little bit, its a bad idea. Sound Suppressors are little more than car mufflers and are of no danger to anyone by and of themselves, they are a firearm accessory, not a firearm. Kitchen knives can kill you better than any suppressor can. Giving a future BATFE the ability to regulate a simple metal tube, is going to open up a huge can of worms for us; which part is the “receiver”, the metal tube, the rubber wipe or metal baffle??? Are all muzzle brakes, compensators and “flash” suppressors potential sound suppressors or sound suppressor parts that need to be regulated as firearms? Constructive possession is going to be a nightmare. Technically the plumbing section of your local hardware store contains all the parts necessary to assemble a suppressor. Why give the BATFE that kind of power,when you can just make Sound Suppressors a non-gun accessory, which is what they are in reality.
3. Political Capital will need to be spent to get the HPA passed. If passed as written, this will have the Democratic Party, against it, on one side and the Republican Party (mostly) in favor of it on the other side. Some “Horse Trading” for votes will have to take place in the background in any case. So my advice is “Go Big or Go Home”. In other words, do what the democrats do, ask for the world and settle for what you can get done.
Any bill put forward needs to address 100% of our grievances; Eliminate the gun free school zone act, automatically restore the civil rights of folks who have served 100% of their sentence, repeal the illegally passed 1986 machine gun ban, repeal the “Sporting Purposes” provisions in all federal laws, repeal the armoring piercing ammo ban, remove SBRs and SBSs and Smooth Bore Handguns from the NFA, give civil regulatory power over gun dealers and gun makers to the Commerce Dept. and criminal enforcement to the FBI, close the BATFE for good, etc, etc, etc.
4. Never Forget that if Democrats had gotten 100% of what they have asked for over the years, we would have had the following: All firearms registered in the NFA – Pistols, Rifles, Shotguns, etc. All owners licensed and registered. Waiting periods to get a gun, ban on pistol ownership, ban on semi-auto weapons, 6 round limit on all weapon/magazine capacity. Ban on civilian body armor, ban on any bullet that can defeat police body armor. Bans on hunting and Fishing. Ban on small guns; “Pocket Rockets”, Saturday Night Specials. Mental Health screenings for all gun owners. Mandatory liability insurance to own a gun, No CCW except for Police, Politicians and the People that support and bribe them. Mandatory Smart Gun production and retrofitting with Government activated “Kill Switches” installed on all non-police and military weapons. Limits on “Arsenal” ownership (How many guns do you “Need”), ammunition ownership and mandatory safe storage and warrant less police compliance inspections in the home. Finally,it would be illegal to use deadly force against an attacker unless you are a police officer.
Democrats throw-up everything and the kitchen sink in their legislative proposals and see what they can get. We need to do the same, half measures are for losers. If we can’t get all or most of what we want with all 3 branches of government under Republican (not conservative) control, what is the point then????
Hmm. my last comment was taking down I think. Was it because This AD is total;y a sales ploy because these over priced cans are not selling?
Never mind its waiting moderation…
Well, of course it is, loveriding, Copymarketing is scandalous. Always was, Always will be. Read the famous Marketing Guru, Seth Godin;s book. “All Marketers Are liars”. If they can keep just a phrase or two beyond outright fraud, they get away with it.
This article’s not as bad as one I just saw on another pretty good gun blog. It was so bad that everybody ‘caught it’ and remarked. I think it was on Caleb’s site.
The title was something like “Burglars Stole my gun, and i’m NOT buying another one!” And they made it look like a news story of an actual event but the stupidity of it by thinking we are all that gullible just jumps out at you. Instead the wench in the article said she bought some kind of less than lethal tazer for her nightstand protection. LMAO! And the article went on to promote how superior this was to a pistol. And it obviously had a direct appeal to anit-gunners-probably as an alternative to the baseball bat and Hornet Spray they keep on their nightstands, L OL!
This is not new type of copywriting. But it’s still not as bad as some I’ve seen where ‘Above Average Joe’ on his prep blog sells one of those small toy pistol crossbows and markets it as “More deadly than an assault weapon’!
But I’ll prophesize that the HPA bill will not change the silencer market too much if it still contains a background check provision if it passes. Only buyers who don’t care about police state enforcers breaking down your door for a search and seizure because they know who you are as a registered gun owner AND SILENCER OWNER by background check will buy one but the price won’t be that much cheaper at first. Because retailers will mark up the price due to the atemporary minor surge in buyers.
It’ll be interesting to see. Especially with non rip off companies like the one in the other article here today who make them for 200 bucks and solvent trap makers where you can get an 80% kit for even less and make one yourself if it isn’t an NFA item anymore, AND the fact that they are now making high heat resistant composite silencers with 3-D printers, the old suppressor manufacturing supremacy is going to rapidly fade away. And if there is NO restrictions, as in these simple tubes become the same as purchasing a flash hider, which they should be anyway, then indeed, the price will come down considerably. As everyone eventually gets one. The advantage of this will be the competition will force the technology to improve to where the company with the quietest can will sell the most.
But like Jason above says here, I don’t think it will pass either for the same reasons and one additional one. The fact that ‘Shotspotter’ technology is rapidly proliferating throughout the country and hailed as one of the best police tools since the tazer, they don’t want Silent guns in the hands of potential patriots in face of forceful Tyranny.
In concert with the new ‘Patriot Radar’ frisk at distance technology installed next to the Shotspotter device (also being tweaked now to pick up conversations on the streets) on the overhead streetlights, and strategic buildings, it’s too good of a Totalitarian surveillance and control system to ever be allowed to be neutralized in this rapidly emerging police state by some NRA sponsored bill.
And that’s the entire fallacy here. Why isn’t the NRA sponsoring a Bill called “REPEAL the entire NFA Act” Like they really should be doing?
BUY NOW???
Lets face it I own cans and I’m not happy about the hundreds of dollars wasted on the BS tax. As for the prices going up!!!!! I highly doubt it! The metal needed for these are easy to come by and we will not have shortage. Prices should fall and I’m sure they will. Smith and Wesson has already started to make them and they always know how to get products to the customer with reasonable prices.
I agree ,sounds like a big sales pitch. Law of supply and demand. Big demand prices go down.
Higher demand drives prices down? You might want to check your data.
You have that backward – big demand the price goes UP. Big supply the price goes DOWN.
And when there is more of a market bigger producers will step into the game making the supply go way up and thus the price will come down
I’m not interested in a can unless the HPA passes, which I have no confidence will happen.
Yes, I know it had Dems supporting it right now, but the majority of Dems and some Republicans do nothing in Washington but wait around to hand defeat to anything they know Trump will support. Most of these dumbshits think the HPA is solely designed to make it easier for ninjas to shoot up schools.
Yep, I don’t want pay $200 plus cost of can to wait 1 year for approval as it sits at a ffl.
I had a ffl close door in the middle of a regular transfer for a firearm. It took over 40 days to straighten up everything and get my gun and I had to pay to have it returned to the original dealer then shipped to a new ffl.
I can’t imagine what a pain a NFA item would be in that situation
Instead of trying to convince it’s customers to buy these artificially overpriced accessories, why doesn’t Sig use it’s money and influence to pressure members of Congress to pass the HPA while we can? Once passed, Sig and other companies will soon have a huge new market and revenue stream, even as prices will eventually fall. Didn’t Sig just win a multi-million dollar US Army handgun contract? I’ve already called and written my members of Congress in support of the HPA, maybe it’s time for Sig and other $billion companies who stand to profit from the passage of the HPA to get off their asses and do their part?
And BTW Sig, your customer service sucks!
The Feds already have your fingerprints and they’ve already performed an in depth background check on you. Heck, lots of big companies nowadays perform background checks when you apply for a job. Also, your “digital fingerprints” are all over the place. Everywhere. In an hour, if someone really wanted to, they could hack into your email, bank account, Facebook profile and know almost everything about you. Half of your argument was basically about privacy, and let’s face it, there is none. I can’t speak for the manufacturing side, but as far as privacy and personal data goes, it’s all out there.
Regarding the video, he makes excellent points and is a very good salesman.
I feel like this was meant to be under Will Drider’s post . . .
Adam, Yeah, if you’re not Amish, and over the age of puberty, it’s more than likely the feds could have some of your biometrics, especially with the ‘National Nazi I.D card’ going into full totalitarian effect by next year (Real I.D/ Act of 2005 that nobody paid attention to) But the thing is it is FUNDAMENTALLY UNCONTSTITUTIONAL TO HAVE DATA BASES ON PRIVATE FIREARM PURCHASES! Everybody still walking six feet Above the dirt nap motel knows by now that background checks are nothing less than police state gun registrations data banks which they could then track and connect to your location for seizures.
If there’s no background checks, and you pay cash for it at Gander mountain just like you do a magazine of a sling swivel then They DON”T know you have it. And you still might be able to keep it ‘private’ if you tell anyone you have it and a police drone like the sheriff’s dept. in North Dakota uses to randomly and arbitrarily and illegally fly over people’s private property – just for that purpose, to illegally search to see if you are doing anything ‘wrong- doesn’t see you playing with it..
FOUR REASONS NOT TO BUY NOW.
1. If the Feds have not had reason to do a “in depth” background check or have your finger prints from other sources, why provide them when the requirement may go away?
2. If you buy now or have in the past, what happens to your NFA Taxpayer File and personal data when suppressors are dropped from being NFA items?
3. If suppressors get dropped from the NFA, then the manufacturing license requirement also goes away. That is the only thing that has kept thousands of people from building their own!
4. For what you would pay for the Tax Stamp and the suppressor you can buy the tools to build several in various sizes and calibers instead of having just one can for one caliber that may or may not work with sub calibers.
Errrm…NO
Wrong on most counts. If HPA passes, silencers will still be considered a firearm, and manufacturers will still have to have license to manufacture them.
Try again, You only need a manufacturer lic. for firearms if you intend to resell.
There is no federal law forbidding a non restricted person from doing it for personal use. Hence the crazy growth in ghost gun manufacturing and 80% receivers.
See, that’s exactly the problem, Kevin. WITH US! We let these Authoritarian dictators change the reality of law by arbitrary Fiat! A silencer IS NOT and never will be a firearm. If they classify it as such to maintain a background check database, then once again, they get away with perpetrating the big Hoax upon us. Then they’ll continue to make ‘other’ non-firearms into data base items and so on, until they have us all neatly filed, packaged and under lock and key under the ‘social slavery’ category.
But again, it likely won’t pass anyway. It’s becoming more and more evident that the promise the dark state leftist power elite made about taking trump ‘out’ in the first 100 days of his term might be actually happening. So it’s all just a moot issue at this point. If impeachment proceedings start for Trump, the Leftists will just stall the bill and wait until the 2018 turn over and Conservatives no longer have the legislative majority. I predict a window of only six months left to turn around and repeal ALL Gun control before ALL will have is…nothing but gun control.
And unless this Hearing protection act passes and allows people to purchase them without any restrictions just like any other gun accessory, then it’s worthless. Why would your precious liberty and privacy be worth only a two hundred buck tax fee?
For at least 12% of Americans (those who are unfortunately stuck living in CA), no reason for buying a suppressor “now” matters, because this reason NOT to buy trumps everything else:
“Possession of a silencer is a felony in California and can lead to imprisonment, a $10,000 fine or both”.
What a crock. CA legislators have watched too many movies, and 40 million people have to pay the price for their ignorance.
I’ve built my own. Legally. A couple times.