SIG SAUER P556, Short Barrel Rifle Performance from a Pistol – New Gun Review

By David Higginbotham
SIG SAUER P556
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KAK Super Sig SB-15 Pistol Buffer Tube
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The SIG SAUER P556 is a popular choice for people who want to register a short-barreled rifle. If you buy the pistol version and then begin the paper work, you can keep the P556 and shoot it, too, while you wait for the NFA stamp to come in. Now, thanks to SIG’s SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Arm Brace, the P556 has a much more promising life of its own. If you want a combat-capable compact rifle, this strange pistol has a lot to offer, right out of the box.

Let’s start with a basic look at the specs. The P556 traces its lineage to the SIG SG 550. In the States, SIG Sauer has made a number of variants. The pistol version is a 5.56 with a 10-inch barrel (1:7 twist). The flash suppressor is threaded on with .5×28 threads for those who want easy compatibility with silencers.

The block on the front end holds an adjustable gas system, the front sight (which is adjustable for windage) and a vestigial bayonet lug (as the barrel isn’t long enough to secure the hilt of the bayonet). Inside the gas tube is a long-stroke piston. If the gun gets filthy dirty, dirty enough to slow the piston, the gas system can be easily adjusted to improve reliability.

Fieldstripping is simple. The lower hinges open with the pop of a pin. If you want to drop the lower completely, you’ll need a screwdriver. Inside the lower, the trigger looks more like that of an AK than an AR, only with much tighter tolerances. If the Swiss were to have engineered the AK, it might have looked more like this. The trigger itself is a two-stage trigger that backs into a spring-loaded plunger. That plunger can be tightened or loosened to provide more or less resistance. I’ve not gotten into that modification yet. The trigger on this one breaks at 6.5 pounds, and it is a predictable break, so I’ve left it alone.

A simple catch holds in the charging handle. When that is removed, the rotating bolt slides out the back. Because the gun works more like an AK and less like an AR, there’s no need for a buffer tube. If you are looking at other SIG’s in the 556 line, many have folding stocks. These either have longer barrels (and longer over-all-lengths), or they have to be registered as short-barreled-rifles (SBRs) from the start. The P556 comes with a tube for use with the SIG SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace (more on that, below). If you don’t get a P556 with a tube, it will come with an aluminum cap on the end.

The lower is anodized aluminum. The safety is ambidextrous. I’m not used to how the lever falls on the right side of the receiver. Even now, after working with this gun off and on for more than a month, I hit the first knuckle of my right hand when I drop the safety with my thumb. If it were my gun, I’d simply remove the lever from the right side of the receiver and call it a day.

The barrel on the P556 is cold-hammer-forged stainless steel and button rifled. The overall length with the arm brace is 28 inches. Empty, the P556 weighs in at 6.8 pounds. It accepts all standard AR mags, which makes it very adaptable. The chunky Swiss-style forend fills the hand and comes with three sections of rail that can be attached on the sides or bottom for adding lights or lasers. To cap it all off, sling mounts are positioned front and rear.

 Shooting the P556

I’ve shot some light AR pistols. This is not one of them. If you’re serious about shooting the P556 as a pistol, it is possible. With the 10-inch barrel and the forward placement of the magazine (as opposed to a bullpup design, or a magazine in the grip), the gun’s balance point has more in common with a rifle than a pistol. You can support the weight with a hand on the forend, but it still doesn’t stabilize as well as I’d like. Keeping both hands on the grip is ludicrous. As hard I try to shoot it like a pistol (and by this I mean without the brace), I simply can’t make it work like I’d like.

A bit of history on this review. We put in the request for the P556 a while ago, before the arm brace craze. When SIG sent us the review gun, it came in without a brace. As far as I can tell from the web page, SIG has begun listing the P556 with the arm brace. Without it, the gun is something of an anomaly. With the arm brace, this becomes a formidable weapon. I began the review with the gun in its stock configuration, but it didn’t take me long to get back on the phone with SIG and ask for an arm brace. They sent a brand new SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Brace out the same day.

Still, you will need some sort of buffer tube in order to make the whole contraption complete. We ended up with a P556 and a brace, but no tube. I thought about calling SIG again. Then I thought about duct tape. Lucky for us, KAK Industry had just released its second-generation Super Sig Buffer Tube. As far as pistol stabilizing brace tubes go, KAK has best option. This overbuilt tube is dimensionally specific for SIG’s brace and has a positive stop that keeps the brace from sliding too far forward. KAK also sells sleeves that slide down the tube to add more length of pull. I’ve tried the brace on AR pistol buffers and on the KAK tube. The KAK is easier to use, and the brace stays where you put it. Check out our review of the KAK tube here.

The only note that I would add here is that SIG puts the end caps on with some kind of magical Loctite. The cap is smooth, and has domed edges. A spanner wrench, and arms like a gorilla would both be helpful here. I couldn’t break the seal with a spanner, so gripped the cap in a monster pair of vice-grips. I eventually got the cap off (though it isn’t going to go back on). Skip this hassle if you can. If you’re in the market for a P556, get one with a tube already installed. Much easier.

The P556 as improvised SBR

Here’s the best part. The P556 is what it is. As an actual pistol, I’d say it is too much to handle reliably or effectively. With the addition of the brace, the gun becomes much more stable. The arm brace is split open like a U and slides down your forearm. Velcro straps hold it in place. With the brace locked down, you can shoot the P556 one handed. It isn’t a stretch at all. You can hold it secure at your hip and blow through rounds, or you can hold your arm out straight and use the sights. It is almost impossible to hold like a typical rifle, as it is strapped to your forearm. You can pull it in at an angle, but getting your head down to the sights can be cumbersome. But you won’t need to. One handed shooting works well enough.

But it just keeps getting better. Apart from the occasional range visit, I doubt many P556 owners will spend much time with the brace strapped down to their forearms. Instead it simply balances out the gun, and gives you a viable way to shoulder the P556. The brace, when placed against the shoulder, feels a lot like a stock. And it works almost as well. I’ve seen shooters shoulder the naked tubes of AR pistol buffer tubes, which leaves the bare aluminum punching in with every shot. It isn’t comfortable. But the arm brace, when shouldered, feels (and shoots) like a stock.

All of this is to say that the SB15 Pistol Stabilizing Arm Brace makes a decent shoulder stock. Look at the use of specific key terms there in that title. It isn’t called the SB15 Improvised Short Barreled Rifle Improvised Shoulder Stock. It works, though, no matter what you call it. When you put the P556 with a brace to your shoulder, the true potential of the platform truly shines.

Is it legal to shoot the P556 as if it were an SBR?

Let’s get the legal ruling from the ATF.

When SIG launched the brace, it was clear what end users would do with it. Yes it stabilizes the gun by locking it to the forearm, but that takes time. Anyone in a hurry would just throw it up like any other rifle and shoot from the shoulder. Would that be legal? Would simply putting the brace on a P556, or any other AR style pistol, make it a short-barreled rifle? The ATF has ruled on the issue, and they say no.

SIG SAUER’s original ATF compliance letter can be read here.

Their ruling can be summed up succinctly enough. It says that the brace is designed to be used as an arm brace, and that an arm brace doesn’t make it an SBR. Still, questions remained about the use of the arm brace as a stock. Would shouldering the weapon suddenly change how it is classified? SIG wrote back to the ATF. The response:

“FTB classifies weapons based on their physical design characteristics. While the usage/functionality of the weapon does influence the intended design, it is not the sole criteria for determining the classification of a weapon. Generally speaking, we do not classify weapons based on how an individual uses a weapon.”

“Generally speaking,” the ATF doesn’t classify weapons based on how an individual uses the weapon. That is a powerful statement, and it makes shouldering the P556 with an arm brace completely legal.

And it makes all the difference. The P556 comes alive. Shot placement becomes as reliable as it is with an AR. When your shooting hand isn’t locked in position by the brace, you can reach the controls more easily. And you can drop the gun if you need to. The one big flaw in the arm brace is that it is cumbersome to get on and off.

The Actual Results

After you’ve taken in the whole pistol stabilizing brace phenomena, the P556 can be evaluated on its own merits. The pistol, which operates most efficiently when it is being used like an SBR, is formidable. It is heavier than some AR-patterned SBRs. The overall length of the pistol with the brace comes in well below the typical AR carbine, but noticeably longer than a 7 inch barrel on an AR. The handguard on the Classic version is bulky. All of this is to say that it is smaller, but not small (and certainly not smallest).

I find that the P556 works best on a single-point sling attached at the base of the KAK tube. In this position, the P556’s grip is easily accessible, and the gun is easily moved aside for a pistol transition. It shoulders easily enough, even for a big guy like me.

The front sight is built into the gas block. It is perfect for a gun like this. The front blade is big, and ringed by a wide band. You could use it well enough with out a rear sight, but the P556 has one built into the rail on top of the receiver. The rear sight is just a thin post with an adjustable aperture on the end. Considering how overbuilt the front sight is, this rear sight feels a bit anemic. Yet the combination provides 18.1 inches of sight radius and is good for getting rounds on a torso-sized target at 100 yards.

The sights on the P556 are functional, but I’d rather use them as back-ups than as a primary sighting system. While the P556 doesn’t lend itself to magnified optics, they’re not out of the question. As this is a gun best suited for QCB, the myriad of red dots and holograms would seem like a better place to start. SIG includes a red dot with the gun, and it is a solid place to start. The best I can say about the optic is that it works. It holds its zero. We’ve put a lot of rounds through the P556, and twice we thought we’d killed the batteries on the SIG optic. It would simply fade out. When we cut it back on later, it would work fine. After the second time, we pulled it and topped the pistol with an Aimpoint PRO. That worked much better. It gave us a bit more height and a much brighter dot.

In all, I’d say we’ve put close to 700 rounds through the P556 so far. We shot it as a pistol, with the arm brace, and now as an improvised rifle, and we’ve yet to have a single problem. The gun ejects violently (even denting spent cases with the charging handle). It feeds well. Though the controls are more reminiscent of the AR-15 (with the magazine drop and safety lever), the trigger and charging handle feel more like they evolved from an AK platform. The combination can take a while to get used to, especially when running drills. The bolt drop lever rocks up and in, toward the top of the receiver, for example, and it is a different motion than an AR’s bolt release.

Accuracy with the pistol was abominable. This, of course, is not the gun’s fault. If you happen to be built like Andre the Giant (only with incongruously thin fingers), you could do good work freehand. With the brace on, groups tighten up. I was able to get five shots in less than 3 MOA with the brace. With the brace shouldered (still working with the native iron sights), I can get five shots with a two-inch radius. With the red dot, I can confidently place shots within a five-inch circle from 25 yards, and do so quickly.

That’s the real appeal of the P556. Speed. This isn’t a gun meant for target shooting or even plinking. It is meant for CQB, fast offense and effective defense. The compact size and heavy-hitting round make this gun better than pistol caliber carbines and ideal for LEOs or others getting in and out of vehicles, who might also need the potential to engage targets out to 100 yards (or right up in their faces). It is a halfway point between a pistol and a full-sized rifle and can cover much of the responsibilities of both.

How much will it set you back? The P556 alone has an MSRP of $1,207. With the brace, it is $1,340. In short, the P556 is a curious beast. It is a badass. SIG has clearly taken the best attributes of several systems and combined them into something that runs incredibly well.

The optic’s brightness is easily adjusted, and it comes with a honeycomb shade to knock back glare.

The optic’s brightness is easily adjusted, and it comes with a honeycomb shade to knock back glare.

The bolt release rocks up. I get hung up on that detail when I’m running drills and trying to move fast.

The bolt release rocks up. I get hung up on that detail when I’m running drills and trying to move fast.

The whole package, pistol, tube, and brace, makes for an effective improvised SBR.

The whole package, pistol, tube, and brace, makes for an effective improvised SBR.

The red dot that comes with the P556 is a decent place to start, but doesn’t come close to matching the quality of the gun itself.

The red dot that comes with the P556 is a decent place to start, but doesn’t come close to matching the quality of the gun itself.

The guts of the P556 have more in common with the AK platform than the AR platform, but there’s an attention to detail (and some tight tolerances) that are decidedly un-AK.

The guts of the P556 have more in common with the AK platform than the AR platform, but there’s an attention to detail (and some tight tolerances) that are decidedly un-AK.

I’m not a fan of the ambidextrous safety as it bites my knuckle, especially when my finger is off of the trigger.

I’m not a fan of the ambidextrous safety as it bites my knuckle, especially when my finger is off of the trigger.

The charging handle on the P556 slides back with the bolt, but it is more easily accessed than an AR’s charging handle.

The charging handle on the P556 slides back with the bolt, but it is more easily accessed than an AR’s charging handle.

SIG ships the P556 with a brace and buffer tube, but if you want an upgrade, KAK Industry is the way to go. The tube has a positive stop that secures the brace.

SIG ships the P556 with a brace and buffer tube, but if you want an upgrade, KAK Industry is the way to go. The tube has a positive stop that secures the brace.

If you can support seven pounds at the end of your arm, the brace will allow you to shoot one-handed. Still, the P556 is far from stable in this position.

If you can support seven pounds at the end of your arm, the brace will allow you to shoot one-handed. Still, the P556 is far from stable in this position.

The SIG Pistol Stabilizing Brace can be used as an arm brace or placed against the shoulder like a stock.

The SIG Pistol Stabilizing Brace can be used as an arm brace or placed against the shoulder like a stock.

Using the sights with the arm brace on is a bit complicated. You have to bend over and bring the gun up to you, which can be awkward.

Using the sights with the arm brace on is a bit complicated. You have to bend over and bring the gun up to you, which can be awkward.

The KAK buffer tube offers adjustability that other buffer tubes don’t. You can move the brace in or out with the extra sleeves.

The KAK buffer tube offers adjustability that other buffer tubes don’t. You can move the brace in or out with the extra sleeves.

The forend is a handful. With the added sections of rail, it gets even larger. Still, it has ergonomic contours, and you can hold thumb-over-bore if you want.

The forend is a handful. With the added sections of rail, it gets even larger. Still, it has ergonomic contours, and you can hold thumb-over-bore if you want.

The piston system on the P556 stays clean, even during heavy use. While it may not sparkle, there is much less fouling and gunk than on the typical 5.56.

The piston system on the P556 stays clean, even during heavy use. While it may not sparkle, there is much less fouling and gun than on the typical 5.56.

The rear sight on the P556 is a true backup option. While it works fine, it isn’t substantial enough for regular use.

The rear sight on the P556 is a true backup option. While it works fine, it isn’t substantial enough for regular use.

The front sight is windage-adjustable and a solid sight. My only complaint is that the blade is a bit wide, which can hamper accuracy.

The front sight is windage-adjustable and a solid sight. My only complaint is that the blade is a bit wide, which can hamper accuracy.

Putting the back of the brace against your shoulder (as you would a stock) solves all of the pistol’s stability issues, and the gun comes alive.

Putting the back of the brace against your shoulder (as you would a stock) solves all of the pistol’s stability issues, and the gun comes alive.

If you want the Velcro strap out of the way, it tucks neatly in the top of the brace.

If you want the Velcro strap out of the way, it tucks neatly in the top of the brace.

The safety and bolt release are easy to access for right-handed shooters. Lefties may find the bolt release and charging handle harder to get to

The safety and bolt release are easy to access for right-handed shooters. Lefties may find the bolt release and charging handle harder to get to

The charging handle on the P556 slides back with the bolt, but it is more easily accessed than an AR’s charging handle.

The charging handle on the P556 slides back with the bolt, but it is more easily accessed than an AR’s charging handle.

The trigger on the 556 line is wide. If you need more room, the trigger guard can be swapped for a larger one.

The trigger on the 556 line is wide. If you need more room, the trigger guard can be swapped for a larger one.

The mag well has a subtle flare. We tried all of our typical AR mags in the P556 and had no magazine-related issues at all.

The mag well has a subtle flare. We tried all of our typical AR mags in the P556 and had no magazine-related issues at all.

This is what the end cap looks like before you try to remove it. The after photo isn’t as pretty.

This is what the end cap looks like before you try to remove it. The after photo isn’t as pretty.

 

{ 22 comments… add one }
  • gabo August 13, 2015, 12:15 pm

    I’ve had the 556 with the PB for several months now and have put some 500plus rounds downrange. Using Federal and some PMC i have yet to have a feed or cycle problem, and using a Burris 1-4x tactical scope I’ve achived 1 moa out to 125 yards with a sequential 3-shot group. I know little about earlier models and the problems Sig may have had with American made products, but I do know about this particular gun and it is a superb weapon with tight tolerances.The trigger reset is very short and although there are better triggers out there it is more than capable of easy 2-3 shot bumps, with recoil easily managed. I will convert it to a SBR , but as is, this setup is the best deal going for anyone wanting a SBR without all the paperwork, money and wait on your stamp.

  • Sal June 2, 2014, 11:23 am

    I want to have a side charging handle on my AR. How best to do this?

    • Dave Higginbotham June 2, 2014, 11:35 am

      They exist, for the left side, but are complex pieces of machine work. Check Gun Fighter Gear.

    • zipper June 2, 2014, 3:07 pm

      One of the new best rifles out is the Robinson arms xcr and it is a left side charging handle witch as you know is the holly grail in the tactical world it is ultra reliable and can switch to the 300 blk in just under a minute

  • ARluv June 2, 2014, 9:20 am

    I couldn’t agree more with the administrator here. And again…do you really think that ATF is going to want to ban a product designed and developed by a vet…for wounded vets just because it “can” be fired from the shoulder??? Bureaucracies cacn change their minds through legislation which takes time and consensus amongst politicians. The slide fire turns a semi auto into a gun with a cyclic rate of 600 to 800 rounds per minute and they’ve been selling it for 5 years now….I haven’t seen any new government laws outlawing its’ sale or any attempt to do so….and the slidefire my fearful friend is the canary in the cole mine.

    • boscobryant June 4, 2014, 1:02 pm

      The upper without barrel is around $800 from a few places. I purchased one from brownells. I believe jp enterprise also has one

  • Rip June 2, 2014, 9:13 am

    Much better review than the first.

  • jim lewis June 2, 2014, 8:47 am

    no easy way to remove, i tore up two large pair of needle nose pliers. finnaly resorted to vise grips, was still a bear. once done just chuck the cap it will be worthless.

    • james giacomi July 15, 2014, 8:39 am

      jim im tryining to remove end cap with big vice grips and I’m having a hard time getting it off which i don’t have off yet i ordered the tube kit from kak and arm brace from sig and was wondering if there is any other way to get end cap off and once end cap is off do you remove the end plate in front of cap also need help jim thanks so much with any info james.815-370-1430. thanks

    • Greg Robertson September 1, 2015, 10:49 am

      Removed mine with vice grips as well, not too bad. Just hated to thrash a new part on a new gun even though it was useless to me with a buffer tube. A spanner wrench would have been proper. Put some blue painter’s tape around the receiver so as not to mar it. Nice all-around gun, but I’m going to have to do something with the trigger…way too gritty and too much effort required. Compared to my 7.5 AR with 3.5 trigger there really is no comparison. The AR is much more fun to shoot! Not sure what I’m going to eventually do with the gun but I’m going to start with the trigger.

  • Nick June 2, 2014, 8:45 am

    Does it really matter? This looks like another turd. Sig hasn’t made a quality rifle in this era. I’ll pass.

    • Zeus June 2, 2014, 7:52 pm

      And what do you know about guns? Or could it be you suffer from small penis syndrome? Like our Government!

      • steve December 29, 2014, 10:58 am

        He knows a little more than you do. Sig had all kinds of problems with their 556 rifles with poor machining – bolts being tore up – you should checkout the sig forums for info – you might learn a thing to two

  • bigbubba June 2, 2014, 8:42 am

    lol @ reply by administrator

  • Thomas. Allen June 2, 2014, 8:36 am

    Don’t. think i can buy it in California, it looks like it would be fun to plink & such. But I live in calif. Sucks to be ME.

    • Doc June 2, 2014, 5:19 pm

      Thomas, I know EXACTLY how you feel, I live in NW Cali AND NE Nevada – have a long-long term lease on some BLM land that straddles the border. One step one way and I’m legal, one step the other and I can go to prison for 10 years. MOST SO folks understand (unlike CHP or others), and simply make me field strip an illegal firearm if I’m more than ‘too far’ into Cali, or simply ask me to put it away so they never saw it, and PLEASE “Go Home.”, or as me to take the step back across the border where, 10 feet away, it’s legal (still). All it takes is to fail the attitude test or the SO Deputy to have a bad morning with the wife, and I could be asked to slide into the back of a patrol vehicle for my last ride for a long-long-long time. My LEGAL address can’t be my Nevada parcel – so I am stuck in Cali. Isn’t it nice to always be looking at 10 years in prison when they review a VERY useful range-worthy firearm? There are words stronger than ‘sucks’ that I can think of. Of course, I one of those who think you should be able to own any weapon you can afford to fire and maintain with the exceptions of nuclear, biological, or chemical. Want an M1A1 Abrams? If you can afford it, and can use it safely (make sure your background is clear) go for it. You might not have a deer or antelope when you are finished hunting, but you probably had a fun $5, 000 round to take it down with. You might even get lucky and be able to say: “See that leg? Well I got that deer from 15 miles through some pretty strong cross winds.” But back to California — Hunting is still legal for the most part, but LEAD in a bullet? Now THAT’S dangerous. We almost banned all lead from ALL bullets. How quaint.

    • ApK June 3, 2014, 12:29 am

      Theyre legal in CA, it just needs to have a bullet button.

  • Dave June 2, 2014, 8:21 am

    Thanks for a shallow, poorly thought out article that plays right into Bloomberg’s hands.
    You’re just begging the feds to reclassify this as a SBR and regulate it, aren’t you?
    The only reason it’s classified as a pistol is the lack of a shoulder stock. They accepted the assurance that the arm brace isn’t a shoulder stock, and therefore the firearm doesn’t require a stamp. So you show everybody that the arm brace can be used as a shoulder stock.
    Completely legal – for now.
    Don’t you understand that bureaucracies can change their minds?
    Don’t you understand that this anti-gun administration can restrict this gun with no more than an email?
    And when they announce this firearm now requires a federal stamp, I’m sure you’ll be the first to whine about how unfair it is.

    • Administrator June 2, 2014, 8:27 am

      As has been explained ad nausium in the prior article on this weapon, the ATF has put out several official letters on the arm brace. Are you that stupid that you think if we just keep it hush hush nobody will notice? Have you ever asked why is an SBR an SBR? What makes it uniquely dangerous to the public that it requires a separate tax stamp and background check? That is what you should be putting your energy into changing. America has turned into a gaggle of whiners who just submit, then complain to each other than to their masters.

      • kp June 11, 2014, 9:02 pm

        …are you that same “fake” administrator we’ve seen in several other article responses on GA?

      • M January 25, 2016, 10:32 am

        Exactly! Far too many in that ‘gaggle of whiners, and mewlers who prove the old aphorism that “…after all is said and done, there’s always more said, than done.”

        And Some of us are starting to get very sick and tired of being sick and tired of totalitarian oppression and control of every single part our lives which forces us to become hyper stealth oriented about things that should be none of the government’s or any else’s business! Then, instead of DOING something about it, we retreat into pussy ass sycophantic submission to a totalitarian regime by ‘trying to get around it’, or somehow beating the system–like with these pistol arm braces or bump fire to get full auto effects or stupid oil filters as suppressors, hoping and praying that ATF doesn’t ‘order’ it to be illegal, and becoming so dog bitch tail between our legs mind controlled that we are then thanking god we finally ‘might’ get one of our feckless politicians to initiate a piss ant legislation to ‘de-regulate’ bit by bit the anti-Constitutional ‘suppression’ of our ‘silencers,–which were commonly used like any household tool back in the day before the l934 NFA because people were polite and considerate for the most part back then and didn’t want to disturb their neighbors with loud shots–INSTEAD of just instantly arresting and prosecuting any traitors who even DARE to undermine the Constitution with illegal administrative mandates or flagrant anti-Constitutional state statutes?! And we’d even make sure they get the Due Process granted by the Constitution which they also don’t seem to want to let us have anymore these days?

        By now, anybody who still has one live nit left in their cognitively deceased wit and who doesn’t live in the Faux News ‘Watters World’ knows by now that universal background checks are nothing more or less than universal gun registration. Yet, Amazingly, some otherwise relatively intelligent persons think that this is not the case? Normalcy bias put aside for a moment, this is a great study in government ‘Jeti Mind Trickery’ on the stupid Sheeple.

        “…but if it helps save just one life by keeping even one deadly high capacity ASSault Weapon out of the hands of a criminal, isn’t it Worth It???”

        “NO, you Fucking Dipshit Moron! IT’S NOT WORTH IT. Because No gun control Will EVER save a life because dangerously bad people always get whatever they need to injure and kill others in a society of flawed collective consciousness. Look at Canada last week? Can’t even own a BB fucking gun over 500fps! Yet it was no problem for a whack job punk to get a real gun for that so called Mass Murder? But I’m sure in the absence of facilitation of acquisition, some other ‘material/mechanical’ common methodology’ would suffice, as it always does with the usual mind bent miscreant suspects. But if even one of the ‘victims’ had their own shit and immediately at least returned suppressive fire, Maybe it THEN would be ‘Worth it’ if just one life could have been saved because of NO GUN CONROL RESTRICTIONS?!

        And what about ALL the other numerous multiple lives that are LOST EVERY SINGLE DAY because of gun law restrictions preventing good people from getting easy access to firearms for their own defensive safety?

        Also, Many Free Thinking humans are finally beginning to see the assholes from the hemorrhoids by figuring out the real dirty deal on the 1968 Gun Control Act. Which was twofold. First, to eventually do a 30s Wiemer style registery ( LBJ secretly admired Adolph) on every sold firearm and owner for confiscation purposes…by licensing commercial gun requiring paper trails– when ‘necessary at some future date, Which is here now. And secondly, to have ’cause’ to make it easy to do that by making eternal gun prohibition a ‘lawful’ punishment for the rest of one’s life.

        Well, that’s ‘okay’– far too many of us self righteous ‘holier-than-thou’ say from our ‘higher moral ground’ positions? After all, we simply can’t have ex-criminals or nuts running around with guns, right? Why not? They already have access to any number of ‘other’ physical/material ‘things’ that they are not ‘legally’ restricted from having that have been known to do as much or more damage and mayhem than a gun? ‘But, uh, um, ah…but, but…?’ Buh buh But Bullshit! How about if you, yourself, or one of your family or friends woke up next week and found out you are now a ‘criminal’ and are banned from having your guns? And for not even DOING anything of a seriously dangerous social nature?

        And that’s Exactly how ‘They’ will get their Totalitarian confiscation grip on most of the gun owning population. By first creating a ’cause’ to confiscate permanently–which is that a criminal act becomes legal grounds to permanently disarm you forever. And then, in a country ‘of laws’..of far too many laws, by the way, it then becomes relatively simple to make most gun owners Criminals by cleverly manipulating illegal administrative mandates and anti-Constitutional statutes to fit the target group. Which are serious anti-Totalitarian American libertarian Patriots who own guns and know how to use them and don’t trust out of control big governments!

        Think seriously about that, my friends. It’s another Jeti mind trick involving a counter-intuitive comfort zone psychology. It’s like, ‘…okay, we now devised a way to disarm the populate forever with the 1968 GCA on top of the 1934 NFA. Then We make them ALL criminals in one form or another so that they are forever banned from owning guns! Don’t forget, hahahhah, ‘Let those who are without sin throw the first stone, and of course…’there, but for the grace of the Lord, goeth the rest of us MO FOs’!

        We started with only real bad criminal cases, but now we’ll put on the speed skates and blast down the well oiled slope to making all sorts of ‘crimes’ fit the Eternal gun ban criteria, A real good one is the ‘Domestic Violence’ ’cause’. Nothing like using the number one private behavioral passtime in any close relationship as a means to disarm the populate! Obama should give up his Nobel Peace prize to whoever thought of that one.? I know a young cop who is on ‘administrative leave’ because her shit ass jealous boyfriend dropped a dime that she yelled at him and called him a fucking depraved moron and now he’s a little skeered of being ‘hurt’ by her because she always carries gun and a knife. She’s going to spend all of her meager savings and more attempting to extricate herself from this unwarranted government sponsored mess.

        But now there’s even a more ‘insidious’ one-or two, or three more extrapolations of ‘law’ coming down the trail of tyranny faster than Grizzly with his ass on fire. Anybody out there ever hear of the DSMV ‘Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders’? Hahahahahah! Reminds me of the old song…”one way, or another, I,m gonna getcha getcha getcha getcha.one way, or another…”

        The ‘disorder’ they are getting ready to revise and re-defined and apply to the general public is “the anti-authority tendencies/disorder”. A form of which they are already using on serious PTSD combat vets. And will be incorporated soon, if not already in a government sponsored universal medical social medical application already augmenting the current ‘god-like’ authority of your doctor and almost any other government medical or social ‘professiona’ to get your guns removed from your home and possession by warrant-less searches and seizures just because of your ‘attitude’ or some remark you made that they didn’t like land made you a ‘danger’ to others, in their humble subjectively biased opinion.

        It always burns me when i hear people say ‘we’re making progress ‘incrementally’ when they are talking about being so relieved that the ATF didn’t ban their tactical shotguns (yet) or some other such tyranny they always get away with?

        For every minor ‘incremental’ so called victory we supposedly win, they already beat us out with ten times the anti-gun moves on the game field! Most of you out there would not believe the volume of proposed anti-gun and disarmament legislature out there right now proactively happening in Fascist states but with even worse bills waiting in the shadows of the legislature like vampire bats in dark nasty caves waiting to suck the life freedom blood out of America if another Obama regime gets in.

        There’s no such thing as ‘winning incrementally’ anymore. It’s too late to do it that way now. They’ve already got the ball game wrapped up with that tactic. We’ve already lost. We need a full scale all encompassing nuclear attack. Shock and Awe. (may you RIP,General S… You, Sir, are surely missed)

        Yet while we can’t even get the NRA or ACLU to get moving on repealing these Freedom murdering laws like the AMA and Insurance Lobby had no problem getting Congress to do with the Affordable Health Care Act recently?!

        And even in the immediate revolutionary absence of a total repeal of all gun laws, and using the previous misdirected resources to address the real problem of individual behavioral deterioration in society, a quick and permanent fix to our precious right to bear arms would be to rescind/repeal/reverse the anti-ethical and technically illegal concept of ‘perpetual eternal’ punishment for criminal offenses. Did anybody ever do the numbers on how far this problem has gone already? We’ve created a permanent class of citizens who can never recover from their mistakes in society! The totalitarians knew this, and thought this was really slick and cool. Kind of like reinforcing their ‘Power Elite’ status over the rest of us ‘Pee-ons. for ETERNITY! That’s why they also included the forfeiture of your right to vote in the 1968 GCA death of liberty gift package They also realized the social ‘class’ they were creating would get big enough someday to eventually represent a political force besides just a 2/A force! And you STILL don’t believe there’s a totalitarian agenda?

        In my own professional career I’ve never been ‘soft’ on criminals, especially the ‘real bad ones’. But besides a 140 grain JHP, there’s already time tested tried and true ways to handle them if applied as they were meant to be. Put them All away with ALL of their rights privileges prohibited if they are so dangerous and out of control. And KEEP them there until they satisfy a better criteria for rehabilitation and reintegration into society as law abiding citizens again. If they use a weapon, ANY weapon, and hurt anybody, then jail time is mandatory. If that were applied in Chicago, for instance, which it is not because of ‘political’ reasons. (if you can’t figure it out ask me and i’ll explain it in another comment), there would be an immediate and very noticeable reduction in gun violence. Far more effective than any general banning of the weapons would achieve. This has already been proven in studied venues.

        But if anyone made a mistake and was caught up in the ‘justice system’ once you paid your ‘dues’ to society and were adjudicated ‘a law abiding citizen’ once again, and there were no longer any restrictions on your right to own firearms, then guess what? All these never ending circumventing anti-Constitutional laws wouldn’t be happening! Because now, they would be useless because they no longer could be a means by which they can eventually garnish total disarmament of the citizenry for all practical purposes by simply making them ALL criminals. It Now Wouldn’t Matter! If you paid for your mistakes in life and rehabilitated, ALL RIGHTS would be restored. No more shitting in your pants and looking over your shoulder at gun shows, No more pseudo-legal disarmament of the people. Liberty and Justice and the American Way would no longer be threatened by Totalitarians. At least in any way that we couldn’t handle as Free and ‘well armed’ Americans.

        Once again, We, The People would be feared by the Government, as old TJ said it should be. Instead of the other way around. Like it is now.

  • dave June 2, 2014, 8:04 am

    Whats the best way to remove the rear plug 2 accept a buffer tube. I think mine has been welded on.

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