The Empty Suits at Remington – Paul and Clay Visit Huntsville

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As promised earlier this week, I put together a video of my experience at Remington with the people who work there these days. If you are pressed for time, don’t bother with the 20 minutes or so that I am waxing way too long about what in essence was a simple message. We have all had very little hope for a very long time that Remington would turn around and be a productive and useful member of our community again. From what I saw, I think that has changed, and I am willing to be a very controversial cheerleader for seeing that happen.

When I was invited to Remington, I initially planned to use it for a fun attack. As most of you know, I’m kind of a jerk, and I’ve tried to commit myself to using less swear words, so I’m not going to say what I really am. If you care to watch the video, I explain the story of how my perspective changed, and why I genuinely think that though the RP9 is not a great design, at the pricepoint it is acceptable. We all wish that it was better, especially from Remington, but my goal in the followup review was to just give Remington a fair shake, and represent the gun in a valid light.

I am quite sure that the comments to this will roll in mostly on the negative side, but tens of thousands of you will read/watch it without commenting, and I know that you all get it. Unfortunately our educational system has created a climate of anti-capitalism that has spilled into our gun world. And because most of them are un or underemployed, they tend to be the people who need to feel valuable by commenting, and I don’t have to worry about offending them, because few of them would read this far, or even three sentences into a paragraph.

The worst thing so far on this whole deal has been the Youtuber who I criticized in my followup review. Rather than address the specific point that I made, and even numbered, he went into the Youtube comments and attacked me personally. As if my employees needed to tell him that I was unbalanced lol. It’s a left wing 101 kind of tactic, but not surprising, because as I said, he had no interest in sending the gun that he had problems with back to Remington so that they could see if perhaps there had been an errant process in the manufacturing. It would have been the decent thing to do, because in the gun industry we are a very small family, and we tend to try to have each other’s backs, even when we screw up. He also claimed that his ammo was not reloads, but he was shooting white box Freedom Munitions, which is generally “Remanufactured.” It was a great marketing idea for Freedom, and the stuff is generally flawless, but reloads are reloads, regardless of what you call them, and reloads are far more likely to have a blip than new manufacture.

Now he’s done a video defending himself that he isn’t pimping ammo, because his trolls are also anti-capitalist. I, nor anyone else here, ever said that Freedom Munitions was not good ammo, or that them sending in ammo for reviews was a bad thing. Almost all of our ammo is “donated” as he calls it as well. And Freedom Munitions not only sends us ammo, they are an advertiser here.

My point was that when you do a negative review that will go out to a lot of people, you have a duty of sorts to make sure you tell the whole story. Remington especially has been viciously attacked by the left wing anti-gunners, and as I recently explained, it is impossible that the 700 has endemic problems with the trigger system. People lie. Money is always the goal, and the anti-gunners have lapped up every attack on Remington that came along for decades. I would never say pad the truth, as he and the useless masses seem to think I said. But tell the whole story, and the story is that the gun is big and ugly, but it runs.

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  • Andrew N March 31, 2017, 1:36 am

    Paul you are obviously a racist. I’m not sure why, I’m new to this idea of labeling anyone who disagrees with your point of view a racist, so there you go. Racist!! LOL

  • Paul A. Stambnaugh March 25, 2017, 2:25 pm

    I think Remington makes some very fine Rifles and Shotguns and they are having problems with the Socialist/Liberal trash since the deal with the triggers. I think it is a smear, because I have tried to get my M700 to discharge and it fails to do so. watching the stories on the TV that the head hunters testified about, and it seems like personal safety is a big problem with these people who unload their firearm then for some reason point it in an unsafe direction and it fires and some one gets hurt bad or a young man gets into a argument with his brother and gets his hunting rifle out for anger and it mysteriously discharged on its on. Bull. The guy was a hot head, and grabs a firearm to get even. the guy should be prosecuted instead of going after a firearms manufacturer. The Socialist/Liberals must pay well to spread their agenda falsely. Sounds like Socialist/Liberal news media and false reporting. We need to keep Remington Arms and other firearms manufacturers, and speak out against this type slanderous reporting.Our 2nd amendment rights are valuable to be and keep us free from the Socialist/Liberals agenda. If you really want to let the Socialist/Liberals continue, wait until you come under Shiri Musslim law. A child 1 yr. old can be taken by these people for a wife and used as they feel free to. A woman has not rights with the Musslims.

  • David March 25, 2017, 1:04 pm

    Remington is suffering from the same syndrome that many large corporations are suffering, a lot of the “old timers” have retired or been replaced by people who are not necessarily connected with the development, marketing, and customer service associated with firearm manufacturing. Acquisition of Marlin and Bushmaster are prime examples of an unwillingness to invest in R&D and acquire product offerings without proper support knowledge or manufacturing incorporation. Anyone who has picked up a Marlin 336 manufactured under Remington knows exactly what I am talking about. Remington has far to long underscored corporate profits above quality designs and customer satisfaction and this is continued to be reflected in its handgun product line. Remington, like many industries considers its products to be another commodity competing with like brands. No more, no less. It is the corporate way. They are in it primarily for the investors and the bottom line. If it happens to satisfy the sport shooting and hunting enthusiast, so much the better.

  • 1911 follower March 25, 2017, 1:58 am

    I would have watched the video but I hate the Hollywood style of commentary. Take the damn sun glasses off. Do the video like a news commentator and “make eye contact” with the viewer.

    • Batman March 25, 2017, 1:15 pm

      Wow way to comment on the important issues. Troll. Maybe you should learn to color inside the lines before you try and sit at the big kids table.

    • Paul Helinski March 26, 2017, 12:02 am

      I can’t believe that nobody even commented that I was wearing a Harry Potter House Slitherin hat lol. The sun was actually in my eyes and oh by the way I’m a rock star.

      • taw1159g March 30, 2017, 4:26 am

        HA!! Well played Sir

  • Paul Betz March 24, 2017, 2:43 pm

    Quality problems, 700 rifles with questionable triggers, R51 failed rollout, RP9 not a robust offering, problems with the R1911. They brought out ParaOrdnance but wouldn’t stand behind the customer if there were problems, and there were.
    No more “Big Green” for me, the Para cost me two years of frustration and $300-$400 to get out from under it Remington has totally lost sight of who the customer is!!

  • Tom March 24, 2017, 12:52 pm

    Although I did not look at the video above, I did read the article Paul. And then read all the comments. In each case I kept reading and remained interested in the comments due to no vulgarity. I also can be a butthead to some but I do appreciate dialog kept cleaned up and classy.
    Thanks for your work Paul.
    T

    • Paul Helinski March 24, 2017, 2:46 pm

      Well I’ve never been called classy before. I am actually out in Idaho filming with Clay today and I’m going to have to tell him about this classy angle.

  • Arnold Arnold March 24, 2017, 12:36 pm

    OK….. I read and watched it all, some again…. I admit there was a bit of bias on these reviews by the reviewers with a dash of “set up to fail” procedurals with bunk ammo and such by some…. HOWEVER…. is it really the reviewer’s problem-fault that the RP9’s first impression is that it is so undesirable and “fugly” that a beef-steak must be tied to it for the dog to look at it????

    It was nice Remington invited ya’ll to visit, but this “butter” session was just that… a “pity-pot” butter session or look how hard we work and we go hunting too!!!
    Good that Remington has all this High-Tech testing/measuring/assembly/PYA documentation procedures going on, as it should {bravo}, but the bottom line is that the “R&D echo chamber” had no concerns from their customer for their input for redesigning the wheel….

    As I see it…… BOO-HOO…sniffle… Here is your “Participation Ribbon” and the R&D fella with bunched panties needs to get over his arrogant self….
    IMHO

  • Jake March 24, 2017, 11:41 am

    I just bought an RP9 but have not received it. I’ll be able to wring it out and see what I see and comment based on more than competing videos. I have seen some that say the RP9 is the closest to a Q5 they have seen. We’ll see.
    I read a lot of garbage about the Ruger American, bought one, and personally feel it is one of the best out of the box 100% ready to go pistols I own.
    I read how awesome the M&P Pro is. I bought one and once it got some Apex parts it is as good as the reviewers claimed it to be, but it was not as it came out of the box.
    You pay your money and take your chances. Reminds me of when I bought a new stainless Randall 1911 a million years ago. A mis-machined piece of junk. Now I see “connoisseurs” paying over $2,000 for them because they only made a few and went bust. So, buy an RP9 for $300 and if it is a bust, in 30 years some stunad will be paying $2-3,000 for it on auction.

    • Paul Helinski March 24, 2017, 12:09 pm

      I was thinking the same thing Jake. Anything Remington is going to be collectible down the road.

    • Arnold Arnold March 24, 2017, 12:48 pm

      Seems that no matter what I buy I have to do some kind of “tuning”, new or used…. so I would think that this RP9 model would take some work of all kinds to run it well….
      My albatross was a 1911 Llama that just seemed to keep eating it’s self… LOL

  • kcsmith March 24, 2017, 11:07 am

    “but tens of thousands of you will read/watch it without commenting”

    Pretty funny you think you actually have anywhere near that kind of following.

    • Paul Helinski March 24, 2017, 11:20 am

      Yea you have way more lol. As of right now 6,378 this morning after the Digest went out. Youtube doesn’t show real plays when you use them to embed in blog pages. But you’re still way cooler, and look, I didn’t even use any swear words!

    • S.H. Blannelberry March 24, 2017, 11:23 am

      We do have that kind of following. Check our Alexa rankings if you don’t believe us.

      • Paul Helinski March 24, 2017, 11:55 am

        These tards go by the youtube plays. They don’t know what I have explained to you about how you build a youtube following. If you notice the MAC channel has it btw. But what does it attract? People who have the time to sit around and hit subscribe all day.

  • Jk March 24, 2017, 10:34 am

    Thanks for keeping it clean Paul I like to watch your videos with my kids and get them interested in gun stuff so it’s nice to see you taking the highroad thank you

  • Mike Madaus March 24, 2017, 10:14 am

    Paul

    I read your artical, all of it! Im not unemployed and I do have an education. I understand your comments on Remingtoms R 9. The thing I dont understand is why you have to bash those that dont think the way you do when it comes to expecting quality from Remington. I dont have to name the problems they have had IE the R51. And so on. Unlike you I dont want an almost good gun for the price point! I expect it to work! There are many Price point guns out there that are just awesume! The Canik tp9sf, and others. These guns run and run well on all types of ammo. I think those of us that think of Remington think of American Quality. In my opinion this is not what we are getting. I get that you are giving Remington the benifit of the doubt. Dont you also think a company like this as an American Icon should get their head out of their back side (ASS) and produce one of the best handguns made? I hope they do and I will be first in line to buy it! Right now I dont want anything to do with anything from Big Green.

    Mike Madaus
    PS yes I owned a Gen II R-51 was disappointed in what they called new and improved. Could not wait to sell it. Bought a Shield 9mm. Now this works!

    • Paul Helinski March 24, 2017, 10:33 am

      If you watch my video on the RP9 you’ll see the Canick that happened to drop at my dealer the same day. It has a bad trigger problem. At just over $300 retail on both guns, you have to expect a gun that is not as good as a gun with a $500+ retail. It’s a simple story. Regardless the RP9 is not the best in class, and I explained that. The point is that Remington has been taken over by people who are lifetime shooters with a passion for reviving the reputation of the brand. It won’t happen overnight, but the VP of product development was fired after my article, the guy who was nasty to us.

  • American USMC March 24, 2017, 9:54 am

    Well done article. I myself am not a big Remington fan. I bought a Remington R1 1911 , after speaking with customer service , my question was – will the R1 take COLT or military magazines and parts? Remington answers+YES. The R1 will NOT take anything not made by Remington.Plus it had a serious hammer bite. I have been shooting 1911’s since 1970. I traded it off..I do like Remington ammo and buy the 22 golden bullets by the bucket full. Also I don’t think the MARLIN line is up to standard.

    • Arnold Arnold March 24, 2017, 11:10 am

      I am very appreciative to Remington making my pistol cartridge 1894 models with “JM” stamped on the barrel much-much more valuable…
      Thanks Remington!

      • Arnold Arnold March 24, 2017, 11:30 am

        Sorry…. My MARLIN pistol cartridge 1894 model lever guns…
        Thanks again Remington!

    • Donald March 25, 2017, 9:08 am

      I have a R1 1911 and it runs flawless. It works with any 1911 mags I have ever put in it. I screwed up a grip screw bushing in my gun and replaced all 4 of them with colt ones. I do not have a clue why you say it only works with remington parts or mags

  • Mike Royal March 24, 2017, 9:20 am

    “My point was that when you do a negative review that will go out to a lot of people, you have a duty of sorts to make sure you tell the whole story. ”
    Truer words were never said. This statement sums up most of the problems with the media, many of the problems with our current political system (still the best one in the world), and a good chunk of the problems with both extremes of liberals and conservatives. People still treat the internet like they are only talking to their best friends. The friends who know the context in which something is being said and when you are talking in jest or just out of anger. Responsibility for your words are just as important as responsibility for your actions, especially as a gun owner.
    Keep up the good work!

  • Alan March 24, 2017, 9:10 am

    How stupid can people get?
    Anti capitalist and a Gunny?!?!
    That answers that question.

  • Glenn61 March 24, 2017, 8:45 am

    I have tons of respect for Remington, their rifles are legendary. Have one myself and love it.
    But I feel like that Remington is a late-comer in the world of striker fire 9mm combat pistols.
    Sig-Sauer, S&W-M&P, and Springfield XD have all gone head to head with the big dog on the block, Glock.
    If Remington can’t out perform Glock on in the field, and on the range , Or at least substantially under cut Glock on the retail price, then I feel like Remington is swimming hard up stream.

  • Mike March 24, 2017, 7:22 am

    Don’t think I’ll bother watching your video or reading anything more you write. You are trying to play the same hype game the left leaning libtards do when reporting what conservatives do. Why? Because you know the recipe for popularity;
    You fuss too much, try to defend your fussing, then continue on ad nauseum.

  • Jeff March 24, 2017, 4:33 am

    I’ll be honest, you guys just need to move on and stop talking about the whole thing period. You guys messed up plain and simple, even though the RP9 is indeed a crappy pistol, ya’ll done messed up and then rather than just admit you messed up you kept on attacking people when you got called out. At this point, you’re only making it worse with terrible excuses and losing credibility… I’m not trying to sound rude or anything because I enjoy reading all of your guy’s articles but really… You’re both already behind the power curve on this one so just move on.

  • Will Drider March 24, 2017, 2:19 am

    Paul,
    I read the entire article and watched the entire video. Obviously Remington put on a good and informational presentation/tour. You seem to be impressed with various design, testing, manufacturing quality assurance and so forth. Lets focus on the VP9 ambidextrous slide release which does not function on one side (everyone said it didn’t work with a mag in the gun). The flawed control lever got through that great Remington process? Did you ask Remington senior staff about it? Maybe thats the intended quality at the desired price point. This is not sarcasm, there is a AR15 produced with a fake bolt forward assist. If the ambi slide release is actually supposed to function but is a manufacturing or design defect, then we know even with Remington’s impressive dog and pony show: some crap still has to land somewhere.
    Respectfully (again)
    Will

    • Paul Helinski March 24, 2017, 10:11 am

      There is more than one with a fake forward assist. It’s all what perspective you come from Will. If your primary motive is getting your youtube or email subscribers to click, and you know that a bad review title will do that, what is your perspective and what are your motives? That is why I chose for us to eat crow on Clay’s review, knowing that the anticapitalist masses would come out to empty their tiny brains onto the screen. We were just as guilty as MAC, and I think both of our reviews would have featured the true design error much more had they been done without these motives. I did this video to help change the perspective on what Remington is today, because they deserve a voice that can rise above the noise floor of the useless online, and they are a pretty loud noise floor, because they have nothing better to do.

      • Mike March 24, 2017, 10:45 am

        Don’t do Remington any favors! They are fine!

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