Wisconsin Police: ‘Residents Should Volunteer to Have Officers Search Homes for Guns’

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Are you worried that you have a gun in your home that you don’t know about?

Well, police in Beloit, Wisconsin, have the solution for you. That is, you can volunteer to have officers come to your house and look to see if there are any firearms on the premises.  Nope.  This is not a joke, at least according to Wisconsin Public Radio.

Police Chief Norm Jacobs told the station that the program is meant to treat gun violence like an infectious disease.

“Gun violence is as serious as the Ebola virus is being represented in the media, and we should fight it using the tools that we’ve learned from our health providers,” said Jacobs.

He said the goal of the searches is to find guns that homeowners are unaware of, children’s toys that have been manipulated to look like real firearms or guns linked to crimes.

“That’s really what we’re looking for,” he said. “Maybe we’ll find a toy gun that’s been altered by a youngster in the house — and we know the tragedies that can occur there on occasion.”

What do you think about this program?  Would you volunteer for a search?

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  • Jonny5 December 25, 2016, 8:31 pm

    “…well, thanks for coming round officer… ah had no idea those AKs were in that kitchen cupboard….”

    • Erick March 24, 2017, 4:33 pm

      LOL!!
      My (twisted) thoughts exactly!

  • Roy Eskridge December 23, 2016, 2:33 pm

    NOT NO, but HELL NO! No one searches my residence without a search warrant! This is insanity, and it lives right in my state! Pitiful!

  • Joe November 25, 2016, 10:43 am

    Seriously?! Let go of my leggo!!

  • Richard July 13, 2015, 11:12 am

    What a great idea! There is no telling what all the cops could find…especially in garages! It would be great for me if they were searching my garage and came across a 1962 split window vette I’d forgotten I had!
    I bet the cops there wouldnt care to have a search done of their house, because IF the cops in that town are like several Ive known and know here in my town, they have some guns that are curiously missing tax stamps….hmmmm

  • Richard July 13, 2015, 11:11 am

    What a great idea! There is no telling what all the cops could find…especially in garages! It would be great for me if they were searching my garage and came across a 1962 split window vette I’d forgotten I had!
    I bet the cops there wouldnt care to have a search done of their house, because IF the cops in that town are like several Ive known and know here in my town, they have some guns that are curiously missing tax stamps….hmmmm

  • angel July 13, 2015, 10:09 am

    So the chief thinks some 5 year old child has converted his ‘Buck rogers’ water pistol into a fully automatic water pistol ????

  • Grandpa Dino January 6, 2015, 9:24 am

    I would prefer that the police search houses for criminals!

  • phil box January 5, 2015, 2:39 pm

    this guy is about as smart as the president.
    or asking for a recital exam from a guy holding a flame thrower.

    • Dohn August 16, 2016, 7:09 am

      Great answer! Like this jackass of a president, common sense defies this moron of a police chief.

  • Patrick Finnie January 5, 2015, 1:41 pm

    And if the police find anything else while looking for guns that you did not know that you had ??????

  • Kevin January 5, 2015, 1:47 am

    WELL…… lets just do a Mexican hat dance on the 4th amendment while allowing you to trample on my 2nd.
    As Ben Franklin said:” They who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserves neither liberty or safety.” AND another: IF guns kill people, then I guess pencils misspell words, cars drive drunk, and spoons make people fat.

  • Mark Timblin January 4, 2015, 10:21 pm

    As a retired law enforcement office, I agree with some of the other posts I’ve read…no warrant…no search..ain’t gonna happen. When I was active as a police officer the only time I was searching a house was if I was invited in to look around, or..had a warrant and was looking for someone/something in particular. This is just stupid, you open your door, you have invirted a whole heap O trouble.

    • Richard July 13, 2015, 11:13 am

      What a great idea! There is no telling what all the cops could find…especially in garages! It would be great for me if they were searching my garage and came across a 1962 split window vette I’d forgotten I had!
      I bet the cops there wouldnt care to have a search done of their house, because IF the cops in that town are like several Ive known and know here in my town, they have some guns that are curiously missing tax stamps….hmmmm

  • Mike January 4, 2015, 8:54 pm

    Hell no. How stupid can one be ??

  • Andrew N. January 4, 2015, 6:56 pm

    Yeah, Right! Maybe after the police allow us to search their homes and computers to see if they are breaking any laws. The police should do this voluntarily. After all, we have a right to know that the people serving the public should be above reproach.

  • BigC January 4, 2015, 5:28 pm

    Yeah; right after their voluntary lobotomy!!!!!!

  • Pat in FL January 4, 2015, 4:25 pm

    Always remember that a good cop conducts himself to uphold the laws passed by legislation; bad cops believe THEY ARE THE LAW, and that leads to criminal use of their power. For the last 20-25 yrs our one time democratic government has been taken away and replaced by big money as a Corporate controlled entity, serving only their interests. This same entity. in this time period, has pumped a lot of money into local police/sheriff agencies with special grants which resulted in sizable salary increases. In conjunction, the feds pushed huge amounts of “surplus” full auto weapons and military equipment on every local LE agency, all controlled by Wall Street when martial law is declared. LE hires have been influenced by fed guidelines, which is the string attached to fed grant funds. Retired LE friends tell me that they see the wrong type of people being hired. Conspiracy? Maybe. Amazing that the same government in place that daily prosecutes people for criminal conspiracy (no action against Wall Street by Holder,I know), does its best, with the help of its zero integrity major networks to ridicule and belittle any citizen that uses the word. Americans need to remember that Germany was a democracy when Hitler was ELECTED to power. As far as – “no warrant, no enter’ goes, if you are alone the LEO will say “_no warrant but I can get more men”; it happened to me. Tells you the mindset of some cops working by “dept rules”. Hillsborough and counties to the south seem to be much better, though.
    The Wisconsin issue. Sounds mentally unstable and very childish.

  • Ed January 4, 2015, 4:07 pm

    I can think of 1 – and only 1 – instance where I feel this would be a good thing to do. Say you buy a foreclosed house that you are planning on rehabbing (either to live in or to flip). Having the cops go through it before you start any kind of work on the house would absolve you of anything illegal which might have been left behind by the previous owners – be it guns, drugs, random body parts, whatever. I’ll take responsibility for my own guns, but not someone else’s discards..

  • silvestris January 4, 2015, 3:44 pm

    Mama, if you find Quantavious’ gun, take it to the pawn shop and get yourself some money. If the cops check the pawn shop and find that it was stolen, well let Quantavious tell them where he got it.

  • Joe January 4, 2015, 3:13 pm

    WOW,.. I think that cow milk in Wisconsin have so many hormones added that they are going into the police brains and making havoc. Are they really that stupid ? Go have some donuts so your blood start flowing into your brain again. Why dont you go first and get some warrants to search the pimps and drug dealers houses? Yes , the same ones that you been eyeing for years and know exactly where they live and how much they sell. Oh I forgot,… these thugs have real guns and will not hesitate to shoot your sorry ass.

  • RC Paulsen January 4, 2015, 3:02 pm

    Overall, Wisconsin has a low violent crime rate. The two bad areas are the southeastern corner of the state (Milwaukee, Racine, Kenosha) due to it’s proximity to Chicago, and a small area near the Illinois border along the I-90 corridor, which includes Beloit. Beloit, WISCONSIN, sits on north side of the Wisconsin-Illinois border. South Beloit, ILLINOIS, is on the south side of border. Per Wikipedia, South Beloit “is part of the Rockford, Illinois, Metropolitan Statistical Area, but it is essentially a suburban extension of Beloit, WI, which is directly along the city’s northern border.” Think of it as a GEOGRAPHICAL extension of Beloit, and a CULTURAL extension of Rockford. A close relative of mine lived north of Beloit, WI, and worked in a hospital emergency room in South Beloit, IL, back in the late 70’s. The stories she told of the voilence in South Beloit were chilling. The emergency room was essentially a trauma center for stabbings and gunshot wounds. Rumor has is that things have not improved in the past 35 years. Because the violence affects the entire “greater Beloit area”, the police are right to be concerned about illegal guns, or more accurately, guns in illegal hands. (Guns don’t break laws – people break laws.) Tragically, they have chosen to follow the failed “Illinois Model” for dealing with the problem. Looks like Rock Country desperately needs someone like Milwaukee Country Sheriff David Clarke to pull the police chief’s barrel out of his ass.

    • RC Paulsen January 4, 2015, 5:58 pm

      Obviously, I meant to type “County” instead of “Country” (twice) . . .

  • Joe in VT January 4, 2015, 1:12 pm

    “Oh I see, you’re really against the private ownership of guns?
    I’ll bet you don’t believe in fire extinguishers, either.
    I mean, you can just call the fire department, right?” – The Patriot Post

  • gym January 4, 2015, 12:06 pm

    That’s the most outrageous crock of shit I ever heard. They want to be invited in, to search your house, maybe in Nazi Germany, sure as hell not here.

  • Mike January 4, 2015, 11:29 am

    You can’t fix stupid.

  • Pete in Alaska January 4, 2015, 11:13 am

    NW?. . . .NS!! This is just a stupid waste of print space!

  • Charles L Bloss Jr January 4, 2015, 10:53 am

    I am a retired deputy sheriff, I served 30 years with the same Sheriff’s Office. I would not do that unless ordered to, and then I would make them note that I protested the order. Why would any citizen request that? They can search their own houses. If they find a gun they did not know was there, and if they are afraid to touch it, then I would go unload it for them, and even take custody if they wrote such a request down. Otherwise, we have much more productive pro-active things to do to fight crime. That is just plain silly.

  • William L Tiewater January 4, 2015, 10:36 am

    Lets just look at this matter from the start of this republic, The British Tried this same tactic in late 1700’s. If that had happened we would not be a Republic. Hitler Did that in Germany and people were led away to slaughter like sheep. England has out private gun owner ship, limiting to special sporting hunting events. See how well that has stopped gun violence in England. Canada has strict gun ownership rules and 7 members of 1 family were murdered. Our supposed leader would stop law enforcement from using Military weapons and body armor. When a bank was robbed in Hollywood The police had to borrow adequate weapons from a gun retailer to stop the criminals. I could go on for hours recounting stories like these.
    Maybe we should be required to have a Koran in each American home so we could find out why Muslims want to kill all Christians. This is so ridicules that I can not believe it is taking the ink to write.
    In Germany under Hitler and the Soviet union and many eastern country’s if the press printed stories against the country Policy those reporters simply disappeared . The founding fathers said a free press and the right to defend your home was a fundamental right. I guess if we lose one the other is Soon to follow. Benjamin Franklin Said ” Those who give up liberty for some temporary Security deserve Neither”.

  • phil box January 4, 2015, 10:17 am

    wouldn’t this be akin to asking the local burglar to come in and inspect your security system?

  • Lee Dutra January 4, 2015, 8:51 am

    I wonder how many volunteers have called in a request?

  • Kevin Y January 4, 2015, 8:37 am

    And, for clarification, Wisconsin is a right wing leader! How many other governors killed union power and survived to another term! It trickles down hill, alright!

    • RC Paulsen January 4, 2015, 6:08 pm

      Missing your point here. Gun control politicians are mostly Democrats. Gun rights politicians are mostly Republicans. Which party is in bed with the unions? Maybe you could take another stab at it for me.

  • Jim Donlon January 4, 2015, 7:34 am

    Only after a proctologist checks his ass for his head

    • Buckk January 4, 2015, 8:50 am

      I’m going to play devil’s advocate and the conspiracy theorists can have their way with it. I worked in a very poor inner city in New York that was plagued with crime and had one of the highest murder rates in the US. I think a program of volunteer searches might have some merit. First of all I’m sure that if any weapons or other contraband were found there would be amnesty from prosecution as there is for gun buy back programs. This program is not designed for the educated, responsible gun owner. I could see it as a tool for a single mother with multiple children who has lost most control over her life and the lives of her children. Who probably has a dependency abuse problem and a stream of strangers in and out of her apartment. Of course an unknown weapon in her apartment is only part of her problem but discovering that one weapon that could be used in a crime or an accident by one of her children is a good start. As a police officer I’ve zipped up several body bags of children and others at homes where occupants were “pretty sure” there were no guns available to children, mentally deficient, or criminals. Most police officers have discretion and common sense and would not abuse such a program. I realize it’s difficult for many to understand how some poverty stricken uneducated people live and how a program like that could be useful but unfortunately it could be and may just save a life. That life could be a child or convenient store clerk miles away.

      • Shah Muhammad II of Khwarazmia (1200-1220AD) May 6, 2016, 11:26 am

        Cops do not deal with injured or dead people. Injured people require someone with a conscience, no secondary agenda, empathy, the ability to do more than watch people die and write reports. In other words EMS. The coroner deals with DBs. We do not carry dead people in $100,000+ advanced life support ambulances with two medics. Usually, we are too busy and it isn’t our mandate.

        Cops always like to cry that they’ve ‘seen’ so many people die. Cops don’t ‘see’ people die-EMS and fire rescue do. Cops are not interested in people, they are interested in writing reports. It is a joke when you see a cop who says, they took their job because they want to ‘help’ people. All they do is arrive after the fact and call EMS and fire rescue to deal with the human carnage and attend, with empathy, to the survivors. (As someone who’s been arrested for working on a live patient, whom the cops wanted to be dead—they had already decided she was dead—I can attest to cop’s attitudes.)

        I wish cops would stop saying how hard it is on them to drive up and stare at the wreck, not notice the patients. Then claim PTSD caused disability. Cops have the easiest job in the world. Statistically, the odds of being hurt or killed are about equal with EMS workers, and EMS workers don’t shoot people in the back.

        By the way, spend 10 minutes on research, and realize that Ben Franklin denied ever making the statement about liberty/security after it was attributed to him. Thomas Jefferson is also credited with saying something like this, too. He didn’t say it either.

  • Bob January 4, 2015, 5:04 am

    Yet another example of room temperature IQ’s permeating police departments. BTW, why are they commonly referred to as “law enforcement”? The city and county attorneys are charged with that responsibility, not employees on the same level as the building custodians and secretaries. It’s only human nature for the more educated to get the ignorant masses to do their bidding, and now we see how it has gotten completely out of hand. As responsible citizens and taxpayers, it is OUR responsibility to fix this hot mess.

  • Dennis Siegler January 4, 2015, 4:56 am

    The cops should volunteer their houses be searched first! And if they find anything else that is illegal, to be prosecuted to the fullest of the law.

  • MY NUTTS December 21, 2014, 3:42 am

    COPS CAN SOAK ON THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Michael December 16, 2014, 6:55 pm

    I’ve said it before and will again; There will never be a shortage of cops…PERIOD. (For every “one” available cop position (To be a cop) there are over 5,000 applicants)

  • Greg December 16, 2014, 5:50 pm

    I found one today running loose in the house that I did’nt know was here, but with the help of my dog we got it cornered and coaxed it into an old pet travel cage.

    • Kevin Y January 4, 2015, 8:38 am

      “Like”

  • GI Joe December 15, 2014, 11:19 pm

    As a Wisconsin resident, I am apalled that any city in the state would hire a retarded police chief. Even Beloit. Hopefully the people that hired this imbecile will see the error of their ways and fire him. Besides he has a bright future as a liberal think tank member.

  • Manny December 15, 2014, 5:39 pm

    I live here, and I agree. I would NEVER allow them into my house for an ad hoc search without a proper warrant being issued and served. I escaped Chicago because of this kind of crap, and now it’s being practiced here. Governor Walker has done much to loosen up gun ownership laws, but he needs to direct his Attorney General to clamp down on law enforcement agencies that refuse to follow the letter of the state’s laws and the United States Constitution, because this is ridiculous.

  • ejharb December 15, 2014, 5:32 pm

    Rogue cops have killed more than ebola in the usa.come see me when ebola surpasses waco in body count.

    • gerald takala September 23, 2016, 3:43 pm

      Cops did not kill people in Waco it was federal agents whose higher ups wanted a “big bust” so they could get a bunch of cheap publicity to advance their own careers.

  • Jose December 15, 2014, 3:57 pm

    Can you say liberal Democrat town?

  • LAH053 December 15, 2014, 3:33 pm

    If this is true, kind of makes me embarrassed that Wisconsin could produce such an IDIOT!!! I am a medically retired Police Officer (line of duty injuries) and never would support such anti-constitution actions. In the Army (active duty for 22 years)you have a duty to refuse an illegal order and in light of such stupidity, this would be a no brainer. I lived in Janesville for a number of years (just North of Beloit) and people must have gotten a whole lot dumber if they don’t demand this idiot and all who follow him be fired ASAP.

  • Larry December 15, 2014, 3:05 pm

    Instead, how about the citizens of this fine Wisconsin town volunteer to ride that idiot police chief out of town on a rail, tarred & feathered. This suggestion comes from a real LEO, retired. Folks, your chief is a moron!

  • silvestris December 15, 2014, 2:01 pm

    If you think you have a problem, call the cops. You can then learn what a real problem is.

  • Nick December 15, 2014, 12:34 pm

    I would be ok with inviting the police over to babysit so I can take the wife out for the night, but the bedroom and my office are off-limits. They can have a snack from the refrigerator but not boys (or girls for that matter) can “visit”.

  • Kane December 15, 2014, 12:11 pm

    Those same police should make an open offer for internal affairs division and federal agencies to inspect their homes to determine if they are in compliance with any and all state local and federal laws.

  • grifhunter December 15, 2014, 11:57 am

    A BETTER idea is to allow citizens in to search the phones and computers of all politicians and police brass for child porn and evidence of bribery.

  • nick December 15, 2014, 11:36 am

    This guy’s a JACKA$$!! FIRE HIM and move on.

  • Mahatma Muhjesbude December 15, 2014, 11:29 am

    This Jacobs Moron must have caught the same totalitarian Police State Virus that the igno-imbecilic Sheriff’s Captain did in the rural county up in central Wisconsin last month when he used one of the Federal police state proliferation program time share armored military assault vehicles and a dozen para military endowed swat deputies armed with M-16’s to launch a raid on a 75 year old citizen of a small town who owed a hefty amount of ‘CIVIL’ fines, but never committed any criminal offenses, and then afterward had the balls to then brag about how well this ‘tactic’ works on collecting money from people! (search it on the web)

    We wondered what this reprobate with a badge would say to the widows of a couple of his deputies if he led his military assault down a driveway with some severely PTSD’d Afghanistand multiple tour combat Vet who freaked out at the thing that used to scare them the most–enemy disguised as military or police, and counter attacked in self defense! when this wasn’t even a legal procedure due to it being only a ‘civil matter’?!

    Part of the problem is that some police in Wisconsin get ‘infected’ attitudes from the nearby fascist anti 2nd Amendment state of Illinois, Of which Berlin is close to the Wisconsin/Illinois border, coincidentally Chicago being one of the fastest growing Islamo-religionist strongholds these days. Otherwise most of them are decent, Constitutionally savvy people.

    The problem throughout the countryis that police now are developing a ‘them against us’ mentality with ‘us’–their bosses–becoming ‘them’ as the peerceived enemy. They are perverting the attitude of ‘to serve and to protect’ to ‘search and destroy’. The use the absurd excuse of proactive extreme ‘crime prevention’ for the spurious fallacy of ‘public safety’, which they can never guarantee to work, at the cost of our privacy and freedoms. This is wrong and must be corrected.

    Their training is also wrong. I recently gave a consultation explaining what is wrong with their training, especially as it results from one of those generic 90 day wonder certifications. There is a dangerous dearth of instruction concerning the proper use of justifiable force in apprehending and subduing a subject. So the trend now is to jump directly to ‘Deadly force’ for almost anything because, in the covoluted logic, ‘any confrontational situation can put an officer in fear of his life’, which turns out almost almost always to be excessive force, especially if the person killed was unarmed. The nature of the job beast is, in and of itself, a high risk situation. That’s what you get paid for. Mitigating that risk by shooting first and asking questions later is like a bank mitigating all risk of default, by simply not giving the loan. You can’t just shoot people down because they are physically more able to hurt you because of your own ‘limitations’, in subduing due either to your training or personal strength and skills.

    Jacobs and his Staci-Gestapo tactics should be censured the city of Beloit and he should be fired immediately for violating his oath to protect the 4th Amendment.

    • Barry December 15, 2014, 1:55 pm

      Thank you for providing what has to be one of the most intelligent, clear and concise responses I have ever seen. This is exactly what is needed to combat the anti’s ridiculous claims about the “efforts necessary to ensure the safety of the people”. Logic and reason are the two most powerful tools to battle stupidity but are also the two that seem to be in the shortest supply these days. Unintelligent diatribe and simple fear are what seems to be the prevailing “Studies” are spewing forth!

  • phil box December 15, 2014, 11:19 am

    short answer; hell no

  • Russ December 15, 2014, 11:08 am

    ———————>IDIOTIC<——————–

  • g December 15, 2014, 10:50 am

    that is so funny ,, its stupid

  • Dave Hicks December 15, 2014, 10:38 am

    I like the comments mostly, I say a load of crap, I know how many guns and how much ammo I have,I don’t need or want ANY body else knowing!

  • gene December 15, 2014, 10:36 am

    With the way police feel free to seize Property what if they find you have “to much money” under the new republican laws they can seize that to, then you have to fight to get your own property back.

    • Larry December 15, 2014, 3:08 pm

      What “republican laws” might you be talking about there, Gene?

  • Phred December 15, 2014, 10:09 am

    Last time I checked guns are legal in WI. While I laud ALL efforts by law enforcement to protect us, I would assert that most people know if their home contains gangbangers and probable guns. This is an ok agreement if all parties are advised of their rights and understand the ramifications.
    Be very of the motives of all attempts to alter our Constitution in any way by reformers who are so fascinated by their muddled thinking that they believe they know best for all.

    F

  • Jeff December 15, 2014, 10:05 am

    I love that last comment! They want to “put the power back in the community’s hands.” What a joke! You want the community to have the power to fight violent crime? Start issuing more concealed carry permits.

  • Glock_10 December 15, 2014, 10:02 am

    Police Chief Jacobs and any Officers who agree with him should “Volunteer” to move to Cuba where they can be appreciated…….

  • Mike December 15, 2014, 10:00 am

    How about they conduct a door to door search for illegal aliens?

  • Jeff December 15, 2014, 9:56 am

    Wow. I guess the police know your house more than you. Here’s a novel idea…START ACTING LIKE PARENTS!!! Check to see if your kids are sneaking out the window late at night and robbing convenient stores with their altered toy guns.
    This gun control thing is getting out of hand. Stop the nonsense. What we need are legislators who want to lower crime, not the number of guns in the country. Until we get that, this country is only going backwards…all the way to 1940s Nazi Germany.

    • C G A December 15, 2014, 11:43 am

      You have to get the people to vote first. Of course they have to vote for someone who respects the constitution and doesn’t want to change it. If every citizen that can vote did, things would probably be different. But you can’t force them to not be apathetic or read about the issues and understand the laws. That is why you see almost every car on the freeway passing you when you are going the speed limit, or any other street for that matter. People don’t obey the laws and when one is passed that they don’t like, they sue to get it off the books, even if it passed by a large margin. Too bad people don’t care what happens to their country!!!!!

    • Shah Muhammad II of Khwarazmia (1200-1220AD) May 6, 2016, 11:54 am

      Ah, the National Socialist Democratic Workers’s Party’s came into power in the ’30’s.

      At that time, the 1938 German Weapons Act, virtually, removed all requirements placed on private firearms by the 1928 German Weapons Act,. The 1928 act was, more or less, a codification of the conditions of the Treaty of Versailles signed in 1919. The requirements of the Treaty of Versailles and the 1928 laws were very seldom enforced. Neither was the 1938 law.

      Besides loosening the ability of private citizens (members of the Nazi party could buy anything without any interference from the government) the 1938 law prohibited Jews and companies owned or part owned by Jews from manufacturing/possessing firearms.

      What, in fact, happened MAY be an entirely different story. However, the common belief that the German state confiscated weapons upon the ascent of the Nazi party is incorrect. It loosened the requirements for gun ownership—Unless you were a Jew as defined by the Nuremberg Race Laws of 1935. (Which codified anti-semitism in Nazi Germany.)

      Here’s a link with a short summary of what really happened during the period of rule of the National Socialists in Germany:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_legislation_in_Germany#Gun_regulation_of_the_Third_Reich

  • Vernon Rosa December 15, 2014, 9:51 am

    The Beloit Police Chief actually has asked his citizens to volunteer to have their houses searched for guns they don’t know about? Are you sure this isn’t an early April Fools joke? That’s as dumb as the TSA asking you if anyone put a bomb in your luggage while you weren’t looking. What mental giants are unaware of what guns are in their homes, and why would anyone ask the police to search anyway? I was a cop for 21 years. Nobody ever asked me to come in and search for guns they didn’t know they had. I found weapons during searches based on warrants, of course, but that is completely different. I’m guessing the BPD chief votes democrat.

    • Mahatma Muhjesbude December 15, 2014, 11:45 am

      Vernon, I too, never had to ‘patriot act’ people to death, or shoot people down first before asking any questions especially when there was a toy gun, or no apparent weapon, or because it was a homeless Vet who wasn’t quickly responding enough to my ‘police orders’. And i handled countless situations like that. And when i did have to ‘return fire’ because now i certainly was justified in using deadly force, my constant training always came through and i’m still here. The big fat 800 pound gorilla in the room is that most cops these days who have these ‘problems’ are dangerously deficient in a mental capacity of common sense because they simply are not trained correctly. Part of this is due to the fact that Movies and TV cop soap operas belie the reality and that seems to be more prevalent in their occupational mindset, rather than what they should have learned to do correctly.

    • Just the Facts Mam' December 17, 2014, 3:38 pm

      I completely agree with you. But have you read what is allowed as carry on and what is not? 4 oz of shampoo or other liquids? NO! (3.4 oz or less yes). Ice Skates? sure bring em’ on! Uh, ok I’ve had maybe more than my share of stinging eyeballs from shampoo as I have one eye that no longer closes properly… But I also have a 3 1/2″ scar on the back of my head from a 6 year old 40lb girl skating into the back of my head when I was 11 years old. Seriously? Ice skates are allowed as carry on? What was Nancy Kerrigan on the board that decided what is safe and what is not? Common sense would definitely be a good start when making a list of items that could be fashioned into a weapon after carry-on. Box-cutters? Nope, makeshift small axe disguised as hockey skate? Yep! sheeesh!

  • Howard A Butler December 15, 2014, 9:50 am

    Just further evidence to support my personal belief that the people in law enforcement & government who are in charge of making important decisions on behalf of the common people have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE WHAT THEY ARE DOING !

    • Robert January 4, 2015, 5:29 am

      It is not the Police Officers that are the problem; the vast majority of them are good men (and women) doing the best they can in a difficult situation. How do you think they feel when the City Manager’s keep refusing to Arrest, Prosecute and Jail the Criminals that they Know are the hard core Repeat Offenders, that they are the ones that will not change. The Fault is the City Manager’s not the ordinary police officers.

  • wolfpack-bravo December 15, 2014, 9:45 am

    Nazi Germany must be a liberals utopia! Why do they want to model the U.S. after it??
    Never register your firearms, never surrender them.
    Don’t let the Gestapo in!!!

  • Don T December 15, 2014, 9:38 am

    They need to perform a drug test on the Police Chief. He’s obviously been hitting on something.

  • DanF. December 15, 2014, 9:07 am

    It is very obvious that Chief Norm knows nothing about infectious diseases (and no, “gun violence” isn’t like a cancer, either), so he should keep his ignorance and his ignorant comments to himself lest he appear to be a buffoon–oops, too late. But it is equally obvious that Chief Norm is ignorant of reality in police work and that’s a really big problem for the people of Benoit. I can visualize a new TV or radio show, “Chief Norm–Constitutional Scholar.”

  • Randy December 15, 2014, 9:05 am

    Oh my, If your that dam dumb that you don’t know that you have a gun in the house or where it its location is than by all means seek help immediately! MENTAL HELP. When I read stupidity like this its no wonder the anti gunners have ammo. The WOW factor on this one is a 10. To quote a wise man ” STUPID IS AS STUPID dose”. Randy.

  • Jim December 15, 2014, 9:04 am

    Chief Norm needs to go back to the first grade and learn a little about life. He also needs to get a real job, instead of having one where he has too much time on his hands to be able to think up these squirrely ideas. He is obviously not a productive member of society!

  • M1 December 15, 2014, 9:03 am

    Sure…just as soon as they (the police) allow random searched of their home by citizens for ANYTHING ILLEGAL!

    • John King December 15, 2014, 10:02 am

      Agreed, what do you say chief, and should we find any. You and your families go to jail.

  • Bill Richardson December 15, 2014, 8:58 am

    Are people in Wisconsin really that gullible?

    • KE December 15, 2014, 9:34 am

      No we are not…but remember Beloit is just south of Madison…Madison is a liberal hot spot and shit always runs down hill.

    • John King December 15, 2014, 10:00 am

      Police Chief Norm Jacobs should be run out of town for this. He needs to look at a known fact. It’s called the Constitution and it go’s like this, Article 5, there shall be not search and seizer with out a warrant. This is a federal law, not a local or state. But a federal. So what he is doing is asking the residents to violate a federal law. this constitutes having him removed from office, and lead away in handcuffs for braking our laws. If I were a resident of this town I would call him and remind him of this fact and then politely tell him that if any of his officers were to come pounding on my door they run the risk of being shot as intruders.

      • Stargzer December 15, 2014, 10:37 am

        Well, actually, they don’t need a warrant if you invite them in. This is the reason they are asking that you volunteer for the search. Only if they barge in without probable cause would it be an illegal search.

        • Robert January 4, 2015, 5:12 am

          Once, I let several cops into my house without a warrant. Why? Mainly because my Father had been a Policeman all of his life, from beat cop, patrol, Detective, and even a Shreriff’s Deputy after he retired from being a Detective. For me it was a matter of respect to some degree for him. I knew I had done no wrong and there was nothing for them to find in the way of anything illegal. But, afterward, I deeply regretted it because of who these specific police were and what I now have come to know about the City itself that I live it, which is badly managed and governed by contentious little men that cater to criminals. Not ever again without a warrant. The cretins even unloaded my guns as if all of a sudden I would rush four police and shoot them; utter nonsense. Afterwards I showed them my Father’s badges and let them know this was a one time only thing. No warrant, No Search ever!

  • kc December 15, 2014, 8:58 am

    I never ceased to be amazed at the level of stupidity that seems to permeate every level of leadership in every profession.

  • LFT December 15, 2014, 8:52 am

    I think they should start searching for a new police chief. It’s quite obvious that Jacobs is just another political ‘hack’ trying to glean ‘brownie points’ from a liberal biased media outlet, in this case Wisconsin Public Radio. If I lived in Beloit Wisconsin I would seriously doubt the intelligence of my police chief and start worrying about any and all of his policies and decisions.

  • Richard December 15, 2014, 8:25 am

    You would have to be nuts to promote this. Another attempt to control your privacy and your guns.

  • AR-PRO December 15, 2014, 8:14 am

    Wow, I actually thought this was a joke of some sort. Comparing Ebola to gun violence is obviously a scare tactic written by a cop with a “Barney Fife-esque” attitude and IQ. So if you get gun oil on you do you immediately go on a rampage? This is just another tiny step towards burning the Constitution and all that it stands for. Next he’ll be urging neighbors to report you for frequent trips to the range or if they suspect you may have guns in your home you don’t know about.

    • Brian January 4, 2015, 7:30 am

      Ebola and guns same result in the wrong hands, but that’s a mute point that people don’t want to hear. I own guns and support gun rights and also believe in a well maintained maltia. I can say though you like many others are easily brainwashed by the media as I watched online there were white folks in these demonstrations, so raise your IQ a little and be informed not lobotomized

  • TDW December 15, 2014, 8:05 am

    Are you kidding me? Not only is the police chief off his rocker, but any law abiding citizen who “invites” these people into their home are also in need of meds. I guess comparing this to Ebola the chief thinks that guns just up and kill people of their own volition. Where do cities find these people and worse yet when they do why would they make them a police chief? What a jerk!

    • Ben December 15, 2014, 3:35 pm

      I vaguely remember something about the constitution about your rights. So no! not without a warrant and anyone who would think about doing this should contact a lawyer about liability.

  • Dana December 15, 2014, 7:51 am

    That would be like being in prison, soaping up your butt in the shower, and bending over. There’s only one way that could end.

  • Rick December 15, 2014, 7:47 am

    What is this country coming to… Does this remind you of German Nazi ?????

  • carey December 15, 2014, 6:40 am

    I seriously doubt that’s going to happen!
    Unless it’s some old spinster who needs some company and has nothing on here calendar.
    While I respect most LEO’s I’m not about to invite any of them into my home to see if I have a gun. They’re all in the safe and they aren’t getting in there without a warrant.

  • Jim December 15, 2014, 4:19 am

    Sounds like submission to tyranny by ignorance! Guns don’t kill poeple. People kill poeple. Bad guys will always have guns. Look at Chicago.

    • Mahatma Muhjesbude December 15, 2014, 11:57 am

      Don’t want to look at Chicago. Too many Muslims there.

  • J. Livingston December 15, 2014, 3:57 am

    Here is the “perp’s” Facebook page, be sure to leave an appropriate comment
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/City-of-Beloit-Police-Department/206595349469731
    J. Livingston

  • norman December 15, 2014, 2:59 am

    I’m sure Gov. Scott Walker thinks this is a super idea-NOT! Big Brother is alive and well in Beloit, and this is another example of a govt. agency running wild. I’ll bet Sheriff Joe in AZ thinks this is a fine idea, too-for a town in Russia, maybe! If citizens and gun owners in Beloit cave to this, they should sign up immediately for mental help!

  • Chris December 9, 2014, 6:20 pm

    or “guns linked to crimes”. I’m sure that some people might even take the Police Chief up on his offer, but what if they do find a gun linked to a crime that the homeowner truly was unaware of. Who do you think they are going to question and if no good answers come out of it who do you think that would land on? Somebody will have to answer for the crime.

    “Gun violence is as serious as the Ebola virus is being represented in the media, and we should fight it using the tools that we’ve learned from our health providers,” says Jacobs. Wow! No it is not as serious as the Ebola virus since a gun cannot kill something of its own volition and how many of you have a great trust in our health providers. I don’t know about you but there are good doctors and nurses and their are bad ones as well. A lot of the time when it comes to health care you have to be your own health care advocate or one for your children and have to be just as informed about your condition or your child’s condition to be able to educate your health care provider.

    I think you should leave it up to the parents to see if their child has manipulated a toy gun to look like a real firearm and to teach them about firearm safety and to never point a toy gun or real gun at a police officer. Sure lets let the police come into our home and search our premises in order to have them tell us how to raise our children and charge us with whatever they may find, Sounds great.

    • Tom December 15, 2014, 7:09 am

      “Gun violence is as serious as the Ebola virus is being represented in the media, and we should fight it using the tools that we’ve learned from our health providers,” How stupid do we look like? This could only be possible if 10 people used guns on 10 other people and those 10 people used guns on 100 other people and so on. That’s how seriously Ebola works folks.

    • Robert Jennson December 15, 2014, 9:10 am

      The majority of black parents\parent will not check if a child altered a toy gun to look real. That would require work and common sense parenting skills.

      • RobE December 15, 2014, 12:34 pm

        Do you know the majority of Black parents? Obviously you don’t, and it seems doubtful that you have any Black friends, because if you did you probably wouldn’t have made such a racist comment. I served in the military for more than 20 years with very honorable Black Americans, most of whom were also good parents. I’ve known many Black Americans outside the military as well, and the majority I’ve known are good parents. Were they all good parents? No, but what race has 100% good parents? None. Is there a Black on Black crime problem? Yes, there’s no denying that. But to lump the majority of Black American parents into a group of non-workers and lacking common sense is both I’ll informed and blatantly racist. And though I don’t know the majority of Black Americans either, I do know thousands of them, and the majority of the Black Americans I know are loyal hardworking Americans, and good parents also.

      • RobE December 15, 2014, 12:43 pm

        Do you know the majority of Black parents? Obviously you don’t, and it seems doubtful that you have any Black friends, because if you did you probably wouldn’t have made such a racist comment. I served in the military for more than 20 years with very honorable Black Americans, most of whom were also good parents. I’ve known many Black Americans outside the military as well, and the majority I’ve known are good parents. Were they all good parents? No, but what race has 100% good parents? None. Is there a Black on Black crime problem? Yes, there’s no denying that. But to lump the majority of Black American parents into a group of non-workers and lacking common sense is both I’ll informed and blatantly racist. And though I don’t know the majority of Black Americans either, I do know thousands of them, and the majority of the Black Americans I know are loyal hardworking Americans, and good parents also. In addition, this article wasn’t even about Black people. The subject of this article was about a police department in Wisconsin wanting citizens to volunteer to let the police search their homes for firearms the homeowner may not be aware of, or toy guns that may have been modified so that they may resemble real firearms. No mention of race, or implication of race was mentioned or implied in the article. You took the opportunity to make a racist comment about a non-racist article.

        • Donald Hinthorne December 16, 2014, 2:42 am

          You can make all the politically correct statements about Good Blacks, Bad Black, and Good and Bad Whites,.. What I saw go on in Ferguson, Mo. looked like a scene from “Rise of the Planet of the Apes”. Along with the Idiotic reasoning behind it all, expressed by Black “Leaders” and residents that burned their own town to the ground, Including businesses owned by Black residents,.. Are you Fucking Serious? Of course I am a racist, Fuck em’..and their “Black Leaders” It is a fact that the greater majority of Blacks vote left in all elections that they participate in. They should embrace the history of slavery that their ANCESTORS WENT THROUGH..not them,..otherwise they would still be in Africa today, chasing their dinner with a sharp stick, and dying of Ebola by the hundreds of thousands..Life’s a Bitch Buttercup, then you die. Get the Hell over it.

          • Kevin Y January 4, 2015, 8:25 am

            You only see, what you want to see. The media doesn’t report about the average person, black or white, and their average life. Just because you see people of one race in the news, doing bad things, doesn’t mean they all do it! That would be like saying all white people are crazy, mass killers! Stereotyping will lead to war, and wars kill more good people than bad!

        • FAAQ2 January 4, 2015, 12:03 pm

          Right now I don’t live within 80 miles of any blacks and I prefer that way. It seems that blacks seem to enjoy rioting, looting and burning their neighborhoods to the ground – Sorry I don’t need or want that. Cities with black majorities have the highest violent crime rate – it’s like planet of the apes ! I am PC correct and I don’t care – they can all get on the boat to Africa as far as I am concerned – of course there wouldn’t be any NFL or NBA – and cities like Detroit would be empty – but hey it’s a start.

      • Brian A. December 18, 2014, 4:09 pm

        You’re an idiot!!!

      • Brian January 4, 2015, 7:17 am

        I and my wife monitor our children airsoft guns though are easily identifiable. As for the comment you must be on the low end of the IQ chart to make such a racist comment. If you would look and realize our Government is all about spreading hate, they have promoted it for years and like ebola it divides us and kills the unity we need to root out the deception from the truth.

    • Mahatma Muhjesbude December 15, 2014, 11:55 am

      My other posts here on this are trying to be reasonable in analysis but in the spirit of ‘nothing is as it seems’, I think i figured out the ‘madness behind the method’. This police chief, or his ‘handlers’ can’t be that stupid. Somewhere i heard that Beloit, which is not too far from Janesville on the ILL/WI border, which is one of the poorest cities with the highest debt…is also experiencing ‘fiscal deprivations’? Someone recently told me that they began charging fees for fresh spring water bubbling up from a park fountain, or something like that?

      Thinking about motives, and such…what if they really didn’t care that much about ‘finding’ guns at all? What if it was more about finding drugs for the wonderful municipal fascist income producing vehicle known as ‘Civil Asset Forfeiture’?

    • Robert January 4, 2015, 4:30 am

      Right on two counts Chris, the guns are your right in our Constitution; and I know Doctors that Kill for a Profit. In Florida that was done on my Mother. Honestly, a doctor literally killed my Mother for his profitable procedure. It was a situation that he could not Not have known he would be killing her The Florida Laws are written to protect Dr’s and Hospital’s at all cost. You cannot find an attorney in Florida to help you in this kind of case. If States ever get the Laws past to confiscate our weapons, it will be a dream come true for criminals and terrorist.

    • R. Preston-e January 4, 2015, 2:34 pm

      I wish gun violence was spreading like EBOV.

      The current outbreak has, all over the world, killed less than 8,000 people. There have been 4 cases of EBOV in the US confirmed by laboratory test. 1 person has died. And that person had it before he got here.

      EBOV is really hard to contract. You, basically, have to wallow around in someone’s vomit with open sores to get it. (Maybe a little exaggeration.) While tragic for the people killed by the disease, not trying to make light of them or saying we shouldn’t care for them, and the fact it kills between 50-90% of people who contract the disease, it really isn’t that virulent and, in the west, it has a ‘Rø’ of about zero.

      Difficult to contract, low mortality rate in modern countries, very hard to communicate… Hm… That would be great for all forms of traumatic death, not just firearms related.

      If he had said kills people like cardiovascular disease, then I might be concerned.

  • Mike December 9, 2014, 5:59 pm

    Ahh, crime must really be low in Wisconsin for the authorities to ask citizens to volunteer to be potential perps.

    • Michael December 15, 2014, 11:43 am

      only if the cops volunteer to leave their lethal guns at the station and patrol with only stun guns, pepper spray and night sticks. Maybe it’s because law enforcement is provided the latest and greatest in lethal response that criminals feel the need to escalate their own weapons to meet the threat? that’s whimsical fancy but a good pipe dream anyway. meanwhile, without a warrant, no invitation.

      • bob December 15, 2014, 1:42 pm

        with all police shooting this past year maybe the cops should be issued toy guns and turn in the real ones

      • Robert January 4, 2015, 4:10 am

        You have that right Michael –No warrant: No Search. Period.

      • Pat January 4, 2015, 6:58 am

        Am a cop so you that said cops should turn there’s in and patrol with out that ain’t going to happen. I think this is a stupid idea. Why would any one volunteer for this. I search houses for a reason and for crimes this is just stupid.

        • Kevino January 4, 2015, 1:30 pm

          It should be equal. If I have to give ( how about you buying them at current market value? ) my guns up Bull. You will have to ignore the ones in my hands as you search what with all the cops shooting innocent children might need to return fire. SEMPER FI

        • Casper January 4, 2015, 1:49 pm

          Your death grip on the instrument of murder says you’re a pretty cowardly little girl or boy. That you cannot relate to people any other way than by threatening to, or actually, shooting them. That you are only able to do your job because you feel you can use lethal force upon whomever you contact. I’ll bet the palm of your gun-hand is resting on the butt of your pistol from the minute you leave your house, just waiting for the opportunity to use it. Is pretty sad. I am glad I am not in your family.

          I am sure the police in England don’t agree with you. I guess they know how to handle situations without gunning down people in the streets. Maybe they are, actually, able to act mature and interact with the people they are serving. And, somehow, they know how to not escalate things beyond control; I’ll bet you pick a fight every time you get out of your car.

          You need to seriously reconsider your infatuation with your pistol and whatever psychosexual need it fulfills. Your job is to ‘protect & serve,’ have you ever considered doing that?

          • Turbo January 4, 2015, 2:52 pm

            Then move to England chump

          • jack January 4, 2015, 5:30 pm

            I recommend that you stay out of my town, I have weapons also but I don’t carry. Even cops are afraid of me. I’ve have been known and seen yanking punks like you out of your car and betting you to a pulp while cops just watch. I hate all gangs and crazy drivers. FYI Don’t mess with OLD MILITARY DOGS. OMD

          • RC Paulsen January 4, 2015, 8:03 pm

            All you can do is belittle, insult, accuse and make unfounded assumptions? You have not even made an attempt to back up anything you have written here. Why don’t you join the police force, leave your weapon in your locker, and spend all day, every day, facing armed thugs with no means of self-defense besides your ability “to act mature and interact with the people”? Then, and only then, will you be qualified to call anyone “a pretty cowardly little girl or boy”. And if you are every in danger, and need to call 911 to save your sorry ass, be sure to have the dispatcher tell the responding officers that you expressly forbid them to use their weapons to save your life.

          • Noel P. January 4, 2015, 8:15 pm

            Casper,
            Are you lost on the internet ? This site is for hunters, collectors and shooters not for anti gun non citizens. For your information the UK now arms most of their police and their death by firearms, in a country that prohibits the majority of people from owning guns legally, is at its highest rate in their history. If you do not like firearms owned by people that legally own them and do not become criminals that is fine. However if you are here to castigate us and use your big words it speaks volumes about your character. It is real easy to hide behind a factious name and a non published e-mail such as you are doing. Grow up; do your thing and leave the rest of us alone.

          • Straight Arrow January 4, 2015, 11:41 pm

            I think you would love England this time of year? Be sure to take your prayer rug

          • crankshaftrsl January 5, 2015, 12:20 am

            Not a cop-don’t wanna be. Having said that I think just once the ones that have all the negativity coming out their ‘Pie Hole, should walk in their shoes for a month’!! See the crap they go through for the citizens they work for.
            You make mistakes on your job?? With all that’s going on in our ‘bO’ world you would think the cops are all that way–out of 3 major incidents, 2 proved right on. But nope burn the town down-businesses to while your at it..Cause they had a point to make. Got news for ya, try that with my business, you’d be calling the cops..
            All this IMHO~

          • bobert January 5, 2015, 4:00 am

            The police’s job is not to “protect and serve”. It’s simply protecting property. Nothing else. People’s well-being is not the responsibility of police at all, only property is. CASTLE ROCK VS GONZALES

          • Alan L. Robinson January 5, 2015, 1:30 pm

            Ah, “instrument of murder”.
            You mean people, right? Guns don’t murder, people murder. There are NO “instruments of murder” in the world, only people can murder. IF there were “instruments of murder”, every knife, bat, rock and whatever else is handy is an instrument of murder.
            As for England, many are very foolishly mistaken if they believe that Bobbies aren’t armed, many are.
            As for the psychosexual aspect, that can also be applied to the mentality of elitism many Lefties take on.
            The “Holier than thou” aspect of “I don’t need a gun because I’m of superior intellect” that well educated and indoctrinated Lefties assume.
            And finally, real murderers aren’t in the habit of “relating” to you silly person, they just wanna kill you.
            That’s how they “relate”.

          • SteveS. January 8, 2015, 1:13 pm

            According to a recent Scotland Yard report (England’s Version of our FBI reports) Gun Violence has gone down since guns were taken out of the hands of innocent people but the violent Crime Rate has gone up 10 times what it was before the confiscation. When the people were armed, “Bobbies” walked around with a Billy club and a whistle. Now they walk around with fully automatic weapons to protect their lives from emboldened criminals. That is fact from acclaimed researcher John Lott who has been on many news networks and shows correcting that fallacy since the whole “Gun Debate” started after the Sandy Hook incedent. He even set Piers Morgan straight when he tried to spill that same tripe during their interview. Try reading More Guns Less Crime and maybe it might change your mind about the world around you their mister Friendly Ghost.

          • Harold January 22, 2015, 4:13 pm

            You might have noticed that Police Department vehicles do not say “Protect and Serve” anymore.
            England has a unique solution to crime. They ignore everything except murder.

        • Dave January 9, 2015, 11:26 am

          This Police Chief needs to be replaced. Brazen disregard for 2nd Amendment.
          Brazen disregard for 1st, 2nd and 4th amendments! We don’t need people like this
          tearing down America and her law abiding citizens. How about a program to attack
          the criminal element and get them and their weapons off the street? Oh, that’s a lot
          harder to do than harass law abiding citizens.

      • John January 4, 2015, 3:18 pm

        Are you freaking kidding me, criminals have to escalate their weapons to meet the threat? Since when are police the threat. Do you not understand stand what a criminal is? Maybe once you have been robbed, threatened or had another crime perpetrated against you you’ll understand the meaning of a criminal. Oh and God forbid something should happen to you, but if it does don’t call the police that you obviously feel are the bad guys. Sad thing is though it’s the first call made from all these people who hate police.

    • william quirk December 15, 2014, 3:19 pm

      Yeah right let the Police in my house without a warrant ,never Happen G.I. !
      The Police must think they have really stupid ( maybe they do !) in their town …. HA HA

    • Mike December 15, 2014, 3:57 pm

      Gee! When was the last time you had a “wild” gun sneak into your house and hide? Maybe some pest control company could take over this job from the police to free their time for more important things such as catching criminals or protecting citizens…Oh! That’s right! The Supreme Court of the United States says protecting people is not the job of police. Cancel that part. I always knew Wisconsin was a left-wing state, but this tops a lot of stupid things that the state and municipalities have done. Congrats Beloit for the #1 stupid expenditure of manpower for 2014.

      • Just the Facts Mam' December 17, 2014, 2:37 pm

        Uh what?? Wisconsin a Left-Wing State? Perhaps you haven’t heard of our Governor? Governor Scott Walker is about as far from Left-Wing as you’re going to find. I won’t get into the specifics here, look them up for yourself if you’re interested in seeing what kind of state Wisconsin is. Beloit, WI police may wish for whatever they want. Our laws say something completely different, and it was a ridiculous thing to state on the Radio. Beloit’s is pretty much influenced by Illinois they share a “metro” area Beloit, WI and South Beloit, IL so perhaps they got the idea from their Illinois brethren?

      • Benjamin Franklin January 4, 2015, 2:07 pm

        The court in Warren v. District of Columbia[1] (444 A.2d. 1, D.C. Ct. of Ap. 1981) NOT THE SUPREME COURT, said the cops had no special duty to protect THOSE plaintiffs. Had they a ‘special relationship,’ the cops would have had a duty to protect them. That the duty was owed to the public at large, not to them individually.

        The court held the “[t]he duty to provide public services is owed to the public at large, and, absent a special relationship between the police and an individual, no specific legal duty exists.”

        I’ve been involved in a lot of litigation, as a consultant, on both plaintiff and defendant’s sides. The first thing the government trots out is Warren or its progeny. Unfortunately for them, it is not a blanket excuse to have cops sit on their ever widening asses for hours at Dunkin’ Donuts eating crullers and getting fatter while the city burns down around them. It can still be proven that they were negligent under the “public duty doctrine.” Although I don’t think it would be very easy. There are lots of other torts out there that can hold them liable for whatever they did, or failed to do.

        Furthermore, the court did not address the status of the cops job description, swearing, etc and/or other affirmative duties they have.

    • Jon December 15, 2014, 4:29 pm

      sure, ‘cmon in and have a look around. then the police can decide if we’re safe or not! after all, the general public is too STUPID to vote correctly according to Gruber so why should they know how to properly care for and maintain security for a firearm(s)?

    • Wild Bill December 16, 2014, 11:45 am

      Ask someone to search for guns??? I know where every weapon in my home is…including the kitchen knives, I also damned well know how to use them. Which leads to ask? What the hell do I need him for?

    • Dave Poll December 16, 2014, 11:03 pm

      Well now, if they find a gun I don’t know I have in my house, do I get to keep it? What a service!

    • Robert January 4, 2015, 4:01 am

      I am living in a City in Louisiana where there is a ludicrous Revolving door policy for criminals; it really is bad here. Louisiana has one of the highest Crime Rates in the USA and the City I am in has the Highest Crime Rate in the USA. (No Joke –straight out of the mouth of a DEA Agent) so, I am searching for a better place to move to and live but I certainly do not plan on being in a POLICE STATE. I plan to keep my guns and to buy a Pistol or Automatic Revolver. I most definitely am not going to move to a state where the criminals have the upper hand nor where the State wants to confiscate my guns so that I cannot protect myself and my property. I am a committed Constitutionalist plus I very much believe there is a coming war in our own country and maybe in my own lifetime. There are just too many terrorist already anchored here in our Country. There is too much potential from too many different directions for me to not want to be where I have the best survival chance. Yea, I know I sound paranoid. But, our Country is not the Country I grew up in as a child. Too many people within our own Nation are trying to destroy our Constitutional Rights and Liberties: Too much damage has already been done and more is coming. I saw in this same article I believe that California is trying to get Gun Confiscation Laws passed. No brainer; that should not be allowed to happen. We will all be at the mercy of the criminals; they will always get their weapons. Texas has it right by Open Carry Laws. Man that tells the criminals “Attack me at risk of YOUR LIFE”. That should be the message the Police and the City Manager’s should be sending to the criminals: “”Break the Laws, You Do The Time!”” That is not being done in Alexandria, LA. and I am looking forward to moving.

      • Robert Paul January 4, 2015, 4:07 am

        What do you mean by “Waiting Moderation”? Do you mean just to review what has been said or to not allow it or to change it some way? Please tell me. I have just begun using this part of Guns America site. Also, why cannot I get to the Prep 101 section of Guns America directly at their site? I treid to a short while ago and the Home Page of Guns America News and Review acted like I was speaking a foreign language? I am having trouble getting back to that portion and I like several of the articles.

        • Remington Magnum January 4, 2015, 2:10 pm

          Doesn’t everybody get moderated?

          Is there a way around it?

      • FAAQ2 January 4, 2015, 11:58 am

        Make sure you mover to place where there are no blacks – otherwise you will be shooting those dirtbags too !

      • SleeperG January 4, 2015, 12:25 pm

        Texas has Open Carry? With respect to handguns, uh, NO. Long guns can be carried openly, but you have to have a CHL to carry a pistol. On second thought, since you want an “Automatic Revolver”, perhaps you had best stay in LA.

        • Todd January 5, 2015, 12:23 pm

          Yeah that gave me a laugh too, but could have just been a typo. maybe he meant to say pistol, automatic rifle or revolver.? but then maybe he meant a gattling gun, that’s pretty much an automatic revolver. Maybe he’s invented one we don’t know about yet? but his message was right. better than the guy from england who simply thinks that every criminal will stop if only asked to in a nice way,

          • SteveS. January 8, 2015, 3:35 pm

            I wanted and Semi-Automatic Revolver as well when they were available through CDNN… it was called a Mateba. from Italy. no longer made. every time you shot it, the cylinder would slide back like a semi-auto and twist cycling the next round… probably not what he meant though…

    • Zip January 4, 2015, 6:06 am

      Seriously??? So stupid!
      Gun violence is a result of criminals in possession of guns, not law abiding, 2nd Amendment possessing individuals.
      Any responsible, law abiding gun owner wouldn’t have guns in their home that weren’t secured.

      • Thomas Jefferson January 4, 2015, 2:21 pm

        About 15 years ago, congress asked the DEA to explain what they were getting for the billions of dollars the DEA spent. The DEA couldn’t come up with any way to measure progress against illegal drugs. So, they turned on doctors and patients. It was much easier to raid a doctor’s office than to go out and hassle boats running coke into the country.

        Doctors and patients stood still, they kept records, they didn’t disappear, usually, after the initial DEA contact. The reason for prescribing opiate based analgesia is entirely subjective and the use of them is, generally, frowned up by the general public–so you don’t even need a specific act for the DEA to construe what you do as a ‘crime.’ In other words, it was easier for the DEA to go after law abiding citizens than actually have to work to catch real criminals.

        It’s the same in this incidence–cops are lazy, chasing actual criminals is difficult and can be fruitless, they can’t arrest enough criminals to justify the amount of money they squander. There is no way to prove that it took $10k to catch one criminal. So, they are switching from chasing bad guys to “chasing” instant criminals–law abiding citizens with firearms–who’s crimes they make up as they go along.

    • Roland G Anderson January 4, 2015, 1:54 pm

      Seriously, are people in Beloit so lazy that they can’t get off there lazy but and look for unwanted guns or anything else for that matter, like maybe someone left an unwanted tank in your garage.

    • Dr. Earl January 4, 2015, 2:24 pm

      People in WI must be stupid if they dont know whether there is a gun in the house or not. I appreciate the Police effort to stop crime but the criminals that have illegal guns will not be calling or letting you come in. When we realize that getting guns away from everyone will not stop criminals from owning them and make law abiding citizens sheep, will things change. If someone takes another persons gun to commit a horrible crime. Hold both responsible.The problem then is Liberals not only want to take guns away from non-criminals, but ferel sorry for criminal that kills people by fighting the death peanalty and eary release, putting them back on the street.

    • JS January 4, 2015, 3:40 pm

      Sure and you can guess what happens with anything else they find and choose to take exception to..l I know what guns I own and what are in the house, I would “volunteer’ for this nor permit it otherwise without a warrant!

    • JAG January 4, 2015, 9:55 pm

      I’m so grateful that the police in Beloit want to help me search for guns i didn’t know I had. I’ve had that problem you know, guns sneaking in to my house during the wee hours of the mornings, also other peoples wallets, jewelry, electronics, sometimes these unknown guns invite narcotics over too for a party all without my knowledge or consent. One time currency invited over a hooker that I knew nothung about. I wonder if the Beloit police is willing to travel out of state to provide their distinct skills and services.

    • Fake Thomas Jefferson November 13, 2015, 8:24 am

      And if they ‘happen’ to find something else–real, imagined or provided–they will happily arrest you for that, too.

      Only a complete moron would invite the cops into their house for anything. Only a brain dead person would allow them to search without a warrant that specifically states what they are looking for and has been fully litigated.

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