SIG’s New 220 in 10mm. Bigger is Better–SHOT Show 2015

The folks at Sig Sauer have been busy. I wasn’t present at the product planning meetings, but I might imagine the conference room debates along these lines:

“Our new products need to be big and powerful. You know, loud and authoritative!”

“We really need to focus on the softer side. You know, speak softly, but carry a big stick.”

Well, it appears that both sides won, in a sense, as new Sig guns for 2015 seem to represent both sides of the boardroom debate. Two of the new guns I checked out at Sig’s range event were the Sig P220 10mm and the new Sig MCX 300 Blackout rifles.

The newest Sig P220 comes in the flat shooting and hard hitting 10mm caliber. “A 10mm version of the legendary P220 is at the top of the list of ‘most requested products’ from fans of our products,” said Jeff Creamer, Executive Director and General Merchandise Manager for SIG SAUER, Inc. “We heard the demand, and created a P220 that will make full use of the cartridge’s potential.”

That cartridge is too short to be a .40 S&W! It's the new Sig P220 chambered in 10mm.

That cartridge is too short to be a .40 S&W! It’s the new Sig P220 chambered in 10mm.

The new P220 10mm models will all feature 5-inch barrels to take full advantage of the 10mm round’s big-time velocity, so you probably won’t see any compact variants anytime soon. Three of the four new models are single-action and include the Elite beavertail and SigLite night sights and front cocking serrations. The Stainless Elite P220 is the beauty queen with stainless finish and rosewood grips while the Stainless Elite Nitron P220 sports black nitride finish and G10 grips.

While the P220 10mm shoots softly, it's still a 10mm!

While the P220 10mm shoots softly, it’s still a 10mm!

The third single-action model is the Hunt Ready P220. This model also has the Elite beavertail and front cocking serrations. Outfitted for field use, the Hunt Ready P220 has the Sig Romeo1 mini red-dot sight installed, black G-10 Piranha grips, and a Kryptek® Highlander camo pattern finish.

Last is a traditional double-action / single-action model, the Match Elite Reverse Two-Tone P220. It’s also got a stainless finish but includes black G-10 Piranha grips and adjustable match sights.

I had the opportunity to shoot the Stainless Elite Nitron® P220 and it’s a honey. The newer rounded profile Sig grips tend to fill my hand nicely. That and the classic Sig “all metal” weight made the hot 10mm rounds a pleasure to shoot. It was surprisingly soft and un-snappy for a 10mm. I want one.

All except the Hunt model ($1,713) have an MSRP of $1,422.

About the author: Tom McHale Literary assault dude writing guns & shooting books and articles. Personal accountability rocks!

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  • Rick November 26, 2016, 9:11 am

    If iam buying a 10mm for the woods why would I buy one with 8 rounds for $1200.00 when I can but a Glock 20/40 and get 15 rounds for 1/2 the price?

    • Fusedspine33 August 8, 2017, 6:59 am

      The Sig is akin to a Mercedes. The Glock a Volkswagen. This is like the Timex/Rolex debate. Both tell time and the Timex is likely more accurate., the Rolex does it with more style. I have never done anything to my Sigs except change grips and that was largely for style. The Glock needs lots of Mods to get it to the same point. Some of us can’t stand the hyper grip angle of Glocks. I would love to see Glock make a grip frame line with a 1911 style grip angle. The 10mm was a failed FBI experiment leading to the .40, that now PDs are dropping in favor of 9mm again. The over penetration of the 10mm is a huge liability using it for self defense.

  • Don February 27, 2016, 6:09 pm

    I have had a Sig 229 Elite in .40 double stack for several years and love it! The minute the 10mm. becomes available in a double stack, I’m all over it. The length of the grip on a 10mm. double stack would be a scant 1/8 of an inch longer then a single, and I would much rather get into a situation with 12 or 13 rounds than 7 or 8!

  • Mark F August 24, 2015, 7:42 am

    I own an STI Tactical SS 5.0 in 10mm (one of thirty five made) as well as a Kimber Target II in 10mm, so you guys are way behind in discovering the versatility of the 10mm. I also reload in order to keep the price down and the power up. Most (if not all) factory loads suck. The 10mm round is intended to be powerful, so make powerful!

  • D Coronado May 7, 2015, 9:10 pm

    “That cartridge is too short to be a .40 S&W! It’s the new Sig P220 chambered in 10mm.” – caption on one of the pictures. Is the writer going to fix this?

    Anyone think the guy getting interviewed felt kinda awkward about answering the range of a 10mm out of a Sig P-Two Hundred Twenty?

  • Jake Leg Bob February 5, 2015, 12:00 am

    I’m already the owner of 2 Sigs. One is a P239 in .357 Sig which is a compact hand cannon that is VERY easy to control. The second is a beaut of a P220 Carry. Don’t really need another handgun as I carry both Sigs, as well as a Gunsite Lightweight Carry Pistol in .45 ACP, an HK.45CT (and carry the suppressor – if going where it may be useful), and a S&W 329PD – a 26 ounce .44 magnum. The S&W is my woods gun if I go North or West. My 586 S&W 6″ .357 will handle any hog around.

    I’m good to go. Waiting on my suppressor stamp so my .308 will go quiet. My Cooper Excalibur 54 in .260, will go out to 1000 yards easily. My AR stands ready with a dozen loaded 30 round mags. My .204 will hit tiny critters at 400 yards. My CZ American in .375 H&H magnum will drop anything that walks.

    • David March 12, 2017, 10:26 pm

      What a doosh comment.

      • brad March 5, 2018, 2:30 pm

        Obviously, he’s lacking in the pee-pee department.

  • Don Noble February 4, 2015, 11:17 pm

    How about a six-inch barrel version. (Or up the ante with a 6.5 inch barrel hunter.)

  • MEGASTAR 10 February 4, 2015, 9:17 pm

    Don’t think Sig would make their 10mm .45acp compatible, too many changes have to be made. However, I’m sure that match barrels would soon be available for .40s&w and .357 Sig. With those ghee would be no need to change any internal parts or magazines. Just drop I that match barrel and you good to go.

  • dogdude February 4, 2015, 7:18 pm

    I’m a fan of Sig’s and 10mm’s, have a 220 was wondering if they will make the 10mm barrel fit a 220 in 45acp?

  • hock February 4, 2015, 5:25 pm

    I had a colt delta 10mm-& sold it years ago–i replaced it with a KIMBER TARGET 11 in stainless i do not know about now ,but the KIMBER10mm 1911 shoots better than the colt did & i am sure they cost less than a SIG==or at least they used to

  • megastar 10 February 4, 2015, 4:03 pm

    Forgot to mention- Chech CZ recently came up with a great prototype 10mm DOUBLE STACK, high quality, based on their CZ97 .45cap platform. The word is that they will produce it to compete with Sig’s 220/10mm.

  • MEGASTAR 10 February 4, 2015, 3:53 pm

    Not to forget Star Megastar 10mm from Spain (same basic design as Star M30 9mm / Star M31 .40s&w and 9mm) except much stronger, beefier, more heavy duty. Shooting Megastar 10mm full load is not much different from shooting a Beretta 92 hmm in a recoil department! Believe it! The BEST 10mm hand pistol out there by far! Simply indestructible. As well as being able to handle ANY 10mm load! ******By the way, 10mm full load is like .41Magnum (much more powerful then .357 Magnum full load and better velocity and penetration then .44 Magnum. The only thing that will beat the 10mm Full load in penetration and performance is 10mm Magnum(an entirely different animal). But firearms in 10mm Magnum are simply unobtainable!

  • jedagi February 4, 2015, 2:39 pm

    That pistol doesnt look big to me. I have an EAA Witness Hunter in 10mm its looks bigger, longer slide.

  • Scotty Gunn February 4, 2015, 12:23 pm

    Sig definately went out on a limb with this one, but kudos to them for this. I personally am a huge fan of the ten mm round. 75 yds? More like 100 yds. Drop is 7″ at a 100 when zeroed at 25 yds.
    By weighing each charge, I have been able to consistantly score hits on a 12″ gong at 200! 100 is all in the black w an open sight 5″ 1911 in ten mm.
    If you don’t reload 10mm, it can be cost prohibitive, but in the same range as 44 mag,etc.
    If you do reload, it is relatively cheap, as the 40 is very popular, and they share the same bullets. At 100 yds, it has the energy of a 40 at the muzzle. I use a 175 gr bullet that cronos a hair over 1300 f/s muzzle. I have used it on smaller game and it performs well, and recoils like a stout 45 load. Anxious to use it on hogs.

  • Larry Livingston February 4, 2015, 12:22 pm

    I have owned 10 mm pistols ever since Colt first came out with the Delta Elite. I now have two Tanfoglio 10 mm. I have shot two deer at 55 yards , in the neck, with open sights. Sweet shooters, I highly recommend them.

  • Don February 4, 2015, 12:13 pm

    I bought a Colt Delta Elite stainless 10mm when they first came out – loved that gun! Several years later I sold it when Colt prices went crazy, but later decided it was one of the “must have” guns and bought a blue shooter – it had been refinished so I didn’t have to worry about collector value.

    I also have a Glock 20 and an EAA Tangfoglio, I put a Glock target triggers in and sorta wish I hadn’t – it goes off if I just give it a hard glance!

    Really like the 10mm – which I sometimes call the .40 S&W Magnum. I don’t know of any other caliber where the original round was so strong that they basically came out with a reduced-power load because of the recoil being too hard to control for the LE folks, but that’s what I read happened with the 10mm.

    • Dale February 5, 2015, 5:42 am

      That’s also the story with the .41 Magnum. The original load was intended as a hunting round, but was used as a police load by those agencies that wanted more than a .357 but less than a .44. That’s what nearly killed it. Had they waited until an actual police
      load had come out ( or if the ammo. companies had listened ) and put one out before the hunting load, it would have ridden in a lot more police holsters. Elmer Keith had lobbied for a police revolver in .41.

    • Hank February 6, 2015, 3:48 am

      Better to call the 40 S&W the 10mm short, as the 40 was developed from the 10mm. When the FBI went to the 10mm, the recoil factor really came to light and the reduced power load was developed, referred to as the FBI load. Then the problem of the grip size came to light when used by agents with smaller hands. The development of the 40 S&W solved both problems, allowing the smaller grip size and could match the ballistics of the FBI load of the 10mm in the higher end 40 S&W loads.

  • Carl February 4, 2015, 11:54 am

    Wonderful, absolutely wonderful! I have to agree with this in a rifle platform also. The pistol on your hip and the carbine on your shoulder—————-priceless! Sig please bring back the .38 Super as a conversion set up to this platform.

  • Carl February 4, 2015, 11:53 am

    Wonderful, absolutely wonderful! Sig please bring back the .38 Super as a conversion set up to this platform. I have to agree with this in a rifle platform also. The pistol on your hip and the carbine on your shoulder—————-pricelss!

  • petru sova February 4, 2015, 11:35 am

    I would imagine this Sig 10mm has an aluminum frame. Aluminum frame handguns have had a long sorry history both in holding accuracy due to rapid rail wear and longevity due to aluminum frame cracking. The 10mm has even been hard on steel frame guns as well so you can see this aluminum framed gun does not stand a chance.

    I have never been enamored with the position of the main spring on the Sig .220. It hangs naked outside of the frames back strap covered only by the grips. Fall down and smash the platicky grips and the main spring strut can be bent or broken putting the gun out of commission. This does not happen with pistols that have the main spring encased in a steel housing like the 1911 Colt or the best high capacity handgun of the 20th century the Star model 30. The Sig has cheap ass stamped sheet metal roll pins while the Star, Colt and Browning HP had solid steel pins. The Sig also has weirdly shaped anemic round music wire springs as opposed to the rugged and thick coil springs of guns like the 1911 Colt, or Browning High Power or Star 30 pistols.

    Take a look at the spine of the Sig p220 magazine, its folded over and then spot welded together as opposed to the rugged quality old school manufactured magazines that had a continuously welded seam as found on the traditional pistols like the 1911, Star 30 or Browning High Power.

    As found in an article written way back in the 1970’s in the American Rifleman Magazine the Sig .220 was made for “Economy of Manufacture” which was a polite way of saying “Make it faster and make it cheaper” to increase manufacturing profits at the expense of reliability and longevity. Remember too that Sig is now using junk brittle MIM cast internal parts, just what you do not need in a defense gun.

    And of course we still have the notion that a bigger diameter bullet kills better which has been proved false as far back as 1900 when Agnes Herbert hunted on 3 continents with both an elephant gun .450 caliber and a 6.5 mm. She saw no difference in killing power between the two and she shot more big game than most bull-shitting gun writers did both in 1900 when bag limits were sometimes unlimited and today in modern times with small bag limits. What she did find along with famous hunters like W.D.M. Bell and Jack O’Connor was that it was not bullet diameter that killed at all but bullet placement and penetration which the smaller calibers achieved more easily and with less recoil than the bigger calibers.

    If your still brainwashed try killing Deer with the 9mm with the 125 grain bullet and also the .45acp with the 220 grain bullet. You will shit can the .45acp very quickly. In a post WWII test the 9×19 penetrated a steel military helmet at an astonishing 125 yards and might have done so even further but the skill of the shooter and the accuracy of the gun limited the distance tested while the anemic and totally worthless .45acp bounced off the same helmet at a scant 35 yards.

    Tests performed by the German military led to the adoption of the .32acp over the .380acp because the .32acp penetrated a steel helmet while the .380 acp would not.

    Use the .357 mag with a 158 grain bullet and make the test even tougher by shooting the deer with a Keith style hard case bullet and do the same test with the 44 Mag with the classic Keith load with the 245 grain semi-wad cutter hard cast bullet. The .357 Mag. will out penetrate the .44 Mag and it kills every bit as well.

    Try the .30 Mauser v/s the .357 Mag. The .30 Mauser will out penetrate the .357 Mag. Try the water test sometime. Place a target under water and then shoot straight down into the water with both calibers and see which penetrates the deepest. Once again proving smaller calibers penetrate better than bigger calibers unless the bullet weight of the bigger caliber is increased astronomically to equal the penetration of the smaller diameter calibers which in many cases is not practical and many times not safe or possible with the powder capacity of the bigger calibers.

    Of course all this is lost on the younger generation who believe in buying “The Latest and the Greatest”. I sometimes think they would not recognized a well designed, engineered and quality handgun if said quality handgun walked up to them and shot them in the foot.

    • Joe February 4, 2015, 1:09 pm

      The .45 acp isn’t a hunting round unless the game you are hunting has two legs and opposing thumbs.
      That being said the .45 acp is much better at ten to twenty five yards to stop somebody than the universal over penetrating 9 mm.
      I love the 1911 and the high power and have both a 1911 and an Argentine clone of the venerable high power.
      I wouldn’t take either hunting though, but I would take my .44 magnum 629 and feel good about my chances.

    • gtl4hire February 4, 2015, 8:09 pm

      Good answer

    • gtl4hire February 4, 2015, 8:24 pm

      I may be mistaken, but it appears that you do more reading than shooting. I have a German made sig p220 that I purchased in 1995 and also an AMT 45ACP that I pruched at the same time. I’ve never had any problems out of either gun. I do keep them clean. My favorite carry gun is the AMT. It’s small, easy to carry and still has more than enough knock down power. Most every confrontation is within 2 to 3 feet. Any confrontation over 10 to 12 feet will leave room for the authorities to question you. Anyone should be able to hit their target when you’re in close range (2 to 3 feet).

    • Dusty February 6, 2015, 12:16 am

      Well Mr. Sova- We may have to agree to disagree- I enjoy shooting 1911’s, revolvers, and even single shot handguns. In case you haven’t looked inside one, the 1911 does not use all coil springs. It is quite heavy unless aluminum framed. It was not originally designed for hollowpoint ammo. Modern manufacturors have done wonders to make the 1911 reliable with HP’s. (Colt not so much)… I have been the happy owner of 7 Sig’s-. They shoot just fine. My duty weapon had well over 10,000 rounds through it and functioned just fine (even with hollowpoints) when I sold it. The only part ever replaced was a recoil spring. The “weak” aluminum frame seems to be a little stronger than the cracked 1911’s I have run across. Out of the box ithey were all more accurate than all but my Gold Cups- but the Gold Cups were never even as high as 80% reliable with any ammunition. I don’t believe the 9mm with any ammo is a better round for hunting than .357, nor do I believe the .357 is better than a .40 or .44. FWIW-I am relatively certain that you can drive a 16 penny spike through a helmet too, but I am not going to recommend a hammer and nail over an appropriate pistol for defensive use.

    • Kelly April 24, 2015, 7:47 am

      I recently acquired the Sig P220 10 mm Reverse Two tone Match Elite DA/SA. I will tell you this, this pistol is HEAVY compared to my P220 .45 Nitron. There is no aluminium in this new weapon.

    • Kelly April 24, 2015, 7:52 am

      I recently acquired the Sig P220 10 mm Reverse Two tone Match Elite DA/SA. I will tell you this, this pistol is HEAVY compared to my P220 .45 Nitron. There is no aluminium in this new weapon.

    • SFWarrior September 22, 2015, 1:55 pm

      First, a well written assessment. I agree with most of what you stated, however when I was in combat in Vietnam and in SF, a few guys used the 9mm as they liked its weight and handling. Second, most of us carried the 1911 in .45ACP (all of them were customized by our SF Armorers). I place my money on the .45ACP (but, an argument could be made for the .357 Magnum, however they did not have semi-autos in that caliber). Now with the 10mm, things have changed for special operations. I have also shot the .45 Win. Mag. in both, the “LAR Grizzly” and the “Desert Eagle.” This cartridge will take any ‘man’ down and then some. Also, the 9mm Win. Mag. would have been great, however neither cartridge ever ‘caught on.’ The .40 S&W may never had been manufactured due to the 9mm Win. Mag.
      Great comments though in your writing.

    • Army127 November 1, 2015, 1:04 am

      Listen I have delt with this Petra bone head before and proved him wrong so many times it’s ridiculous. First of all the Sig P220 is one of the best .45 auto pistols made and it’s been used or is used by 2/3’s of the worlds military, police, or SF. The gun isn’t crappy aluminum and MIM parts are so prolific now you wouldn’t even know how many, correction all the big manufacturers use them for something so maybe 20-30 years ago MIM was not good but manufacturing processes have improved so much that there isn’t much of a difference anymore. Yes I would rather not have any but if it’s that big of a deal replace them! I have owned my 220 for 8 years, and my P228 for 20 and no issues ever with either gun. I have around 10,000 rounds through the 220 and just kept it clean and lubed, and replaced springs. I have over 35,000 rounds through my 228 and just sent it into Sig last year to get a check up, all springs replaced, new match barrel, new night sights, new short reset trigger, and I didn’t need all of that just wanted to upgrade her. Both still shoot and operate like brand new. So saying a company that makes weapons that are used by 2/3’s of the worlds police, and or military are crap is pretty stupid since if bonehead did any real research would know that Sig Sauer has been the fastest growing weapons company in the last 10 years! Gee maybe Petra bonehead you might be incorrect again, oh wait you are!

  • Christopher Taylor February 4, 2015, 11:25 am

    Where’s the threaded barrel?

    • Ben February 4, 2015, 11:51 am

      no point in suppressing a 10 mm (i.e. using subsonic ammo), that’s like taking the
      poison out of a cobra.

      • gtl4hire February 4, 2015, 8:02 pm

        Good answer

  • John H February 4, 2015, 11:02 am

    Any word on a projected release date?The Shot Show get’s people all hot and bothered about new products but by the time they are on the market a lot of us have forgotten about them.

  • Ben February 4, 2015, 10:51 am

    had a sig p220, sold it and got an inherently more accurate STI Trojan 5.0.
    for the same money as this, I’d get an STI Nitro 10 in a heartbeat.

  • Clayton February 4, 2015, 10:07 am

    I have a sig 220 in 45. I am a huge 1911 fan, but I actually like my sig better. I love the 10mm cartridge in my 1911. I will be buying a sig SA/DA as soon as they are available. Thanks Guys!

  • JIM February 4, 2015, 9:52 am

    Have a Sig 239 in .40 caliber, great carry gun and as with any Sig, it is just a great gun. Sig makes ’em good!

  • J. B. Harvey February 4, 2015, 9:41 am

    I have always been a fan of SIG…, but for $1713 bucks, I’ll buy a Glock 40, mount a nice reddot sight on it, and spend the additional money on ammunition.

    • Jim February 4, 2015, 10:06 am

      The one for 1700 already has a red dot on it

      • Kevin February 4, 2015, 1:18 pm

        Yeah, but it’s Sig’s crappy red dot. Unless they’ve changed it in the past couple of years it’s a dog.

  • bigshooter69 February 4, 2015, 9:23 am

    Check out the Para Elite Hunter in 10mm. Nicest 1911 style pistol I have ever shot.

  • Jeffrey L. Frischkorn February 4, 2015, 8:57 am

    Whew, the shock wave alone from firing this brute should be enough to disable an assailant. Still, such a good engineering idea/challenge it’s strange others didn’t try to accomplish this first.

    • Glenn Edgar February 5, 2015, 12:16 am

      The 10mm is a “free option” in financial lingo. As is the .357 magnum (actually just like a .38 special, with the very slightly longer case mostly there for safety (won’t go into a .38 special only chamber), the 9mm is a lengthened .380 (The .380 is “9mm short” in German lingo.) My understanding is that the popular .40 is 10mm in a shortened case. All the longer cartridges can be lightly loaded to be like there little brothers, but you have the case capacity for ballistics not possible using the shorter cases. A hot 10mm with a light bullet would have quite the velocity, as well as the capability for heavier bullets still moving with some gusto. It seems like a very versatile caliber, and I’m surprised it hasn’t caught on more.

  • Evan February 4, 2015, 8:53 am

    I read elsewhere that this is going to be a limited, one time only thing. I hope this isn’t true, because I desperately want one and don’t have that kind of money at the moment.

  • Lon February 4, 2015, 7:32 am

    Make a 4″ with no rail and I’m all over it.

  • Joe February 4, 2015, 7:00 am

    A beautiful piece and lots of knockdown power BUT at those prices…sigh…
    My ole 629 wheel gun will do.
    But I do like that single / double action one !

  • Judd Richards February 4, 2015, 6:59 am

    sig should mention that full power 10MM hits harder than a .357 magnum. I am anxious to heft this gun and get the feel of the grip. My Glock 20sf fits my hand good and it has the staggered magazine, (as opposed to the sig single stack mag), so the firepower at 15 + 1 will surpass the sig. However…..I really like Sig products and am fond of all metal guns. It also should be noted that 10mm is the only legal caliber in Virginia that can be hunted with in a semi-auto gun, unless you want to lug around a Desert Eagle.

    • Bradington February 4, 2015, 8:59 am

      The reason sig did not mention 10mm “hits harder” than .357 is because that assertion is incorrect .357 is capable of producing about 200ft/lbs more muzzle energy, according to Ballistics by the inch.

      • Kmann February 4, 2015, 9:19 am

        No way ! The 10mm is closer to a .44 magnum.

        • Ben February 4, 2015, 10:26 am

          uhh, no… .460 Rowland is closer to a .44 Magnum.

        • Phil February 4, 2015, 11:12 am

          The top velocities of both the 10mm and 357, given the same weight bullets, are so similar that it’s not worth arguing over. Logically, if you are ultimately talking penetration, I’d take the 357 over the 10mm, but just barely. Given the same bullet weight and construction and velocity, the 357 will out penetrate the 10mm due to its smaller diameter. The only real advantage of the big 10 is that you can get the 10mm readily in a semiauto pistol, and therefor mag capacities are much higher than typical 357’s. The hot loaded 357 will outperform 10mm’s when longer barrel versions are employed. If you like an auto, get a 10, if you like a revolver, get a 357. I like both 🙂

          • CPHills February 4, 2015, 1:16 pm

            Very well said Brother! I have 2 10mm – Glock 20 and Delta Elite and 2 .357- SW686 and Blackhawk. As well as a Rossi 92 lever gun chambered in 357 that I slicked up myself. All great shooters. I look forward to add the SIG 10mm.

          • Ray Wells February 5, 2015, 1:45 am

            I have one revolver. A S&W 66-1 (the 1st stainless steel S&W) 357 mag. ) It is my side arm every time I go into the woods. During Archery and black powder season it’s for personal protection (Va. CCW) During Rifle season it’s my hunting weapon. Currently I have the Remington Silver tipped bullets that the State Trooper had in it when he was killed. (Hit and Run) )I have a very emotional moment every time I put this weapon in the holster on my hip- long story) I carry the S&W not for the human animal but for the bears that scare the cr_p out of us. The 1st 6 rounds out of this weapon were more accurate then hundreds of rounds from my other pistols. I’ll stand by the 1911A! 45 ACP until the day I die but the S&W is a great gun. The 10mm SOUNDS like a good round. I have shot a 40S&W .. woop. I actually shot it better then it’s new owner (Our Commonwealth Attorney) The 400 Corban(1911 weapon) is an excellent and much better round but mostly for hand loaders. The 400 Corban is almost an equal to the 10mm and $600 cheaper) The 38-45 with good expanding bullets is equal to or better than a hot 357. (1911 with a 38-45 barrel….rare but I built one and shoot it frequently) The price tag for the weapon in question is for the rich and famous and ridiculous. It’s all in the shooter and the bullet he loads in the gun and his ability to shoot the weapon. The rest is advertising hype. Some shooters need a M79 (40mm) grenade round to hit a target. Not to offend anyone but I always thought those who needed a monster handgun need it because than couldn’t hit the side of the barn other wise.LOL…. I carry a piss ant KT3AT for defense.. 2 in the sternum one in the forehead does well for personal protection. Practice…practice…practice.. using cast boolits…
            I am building a Colt Commander 1911 in 38-45 for a CCW. That requires cambering a 9mm barrel to 38-45 and using 45 ACP magazines. a 9mm slide is NOT required as the 38-45 is a necked down 45ACP round. THE 1911 45 ACP magazine work well.

      • Bill K February 4, 2015, 10:23 am

        That was using factory ammo. Study the 10mm and you will find out about the “political” move to down load the 10mm to 40S&W levels by all big name ammo makers. Compare a .357 mag to a 10mm round loaded by Buffalo Bore or Underwood Ammo and then tell us your findings. Learn more before bashing the 10mm capabilities. A hand loader can easily reproduce the original energy the cartridge was designed to produce and some even surpass that level safely. It is so beyond common to see a Glock 20 (10mm) with the 6″ barrel as a Alaskan sidearm. It is precisely because they load it with a 200 or 220 grain WFNGC hardcast bullet producing over 800 ft lbs and 16 rounds are available without reload. It is comfortable in a chest or waist holster all day.
        This new crop of 10mm guns is recognizing people do not want to lug a barbell around that has only 6 shots. The 10mm is having a big year. Ammo will be in short supply soon when all those guns are sold.

    • Jimmy February 4, 2015, 9:42 am

      Judd, your statement regarding Virginia’s handgun hunting:
      From the DGIF website:
      – Pistols, revolvers, and muzzleloading pistols may be used for small game, except where prohibited by local ordinances.
      -Pistols and revolvers are lawful for deer and bear hunting only in those counties where hunting deer and bear with rifles is lawful. Cartridges used must be .23 caliber or larger and have a manufacturer’s rating of 350 foot-pounds muzzle energy or more.
      So, for small game (including nuisance species, predators, and turkey) there are no minimum requirements. For Deer or Bear, the handgun must have a minimum mfg rating of 350 ft/lb of muzzle energy. There are many auto-loading calibers which meet this minimum, including 9mm loads.

  • miles February 4, 2015, 6:29 am

    That cartridge is too long to be a 40. Not too short awesome how much are the guns the 10mm and 300blk

  • dennisbartlett February 4, 2015, 5:44 am

    I’ve had three 10mm’s and still use two of them . One a 4 3/4″ and the other a 6″ barrel both Tanfoglios . Both soft shooters even with ‘max’ reloads and Underwood Ammo . These rounds are very snappy but very manageable and still a joy to shoot .
    I’ve always liked Sigs but have never owned one . I’d be very interested in shooting one of these and maybe————————–

  • scot farrar February 4, 2015, 4:02 am

    Finally… And about time! put the 10mm in a AR pistol format with large capacity mags.
    Also consider the 500s&w round in the AR pistol format as well.. Absolute power ….30 round mag…bear or home protection. Hog gun…
    Loyal SIG OWNER

    • Shortwavecolt February 4, 2015, 9:30 am

      Grab a .50 beowulf! Next to the S&W 500, you can’t really tell the differance. It run perfect in a stock Pmag and is half the cost of a box of S&W 500.

    • Art Vogt February 4, 2015, 12:22 pm

      There is a 10mm upper made by Olympic Arms available from Midway . Uses 18 round magazines which I believe are proprietary and are $47. The upper comes with one. This is my next build.

    • Eric X Equis September 12, 2015, 11:19 pm

      .50 Beowulf 30 round mag… bwahahhahhaaa!!! I have one of those… a MGW 90rnd AR snail drum… holds 31 rounds of Beowulf and actually loads and feeds good… the size of a large cantaloupe on the side of your gun but what the hell, right?
      I’d love to have an AR in 10mm… I have a carbine and pistol in 9mm and it’s pretty handy for CQB. Good compromise between a handgun and rifle for home defense.

    • LEWIS October 14, 2015, 9:43 am


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