Why is it so difficult to understand? When law abiding citizens want a Gun they go fill out the paperwork, and have to pass a background check NICS performed by an FFL DEALER. All this talk about stopping criminals/MS-13 members from being afraid to go buy a Gun because all a sudden a stupid thing like universal checks, or some registry is for dumb people to believe. Democrats just want to be able to keep track and put the people that oppose them on a list . A list that does ABSOLUTELY ZERO to stop crime. Are we serious. Chicago has what 50-100 shootings every weekend. Baltimore, Philadelphia, LA, st.Louis all have dozens of shootings every day. Oh wait yeah universal background checks and putting the names of the honest Gun buyers on a list that IS THE ANSWER after all these years. Yeah OK that is what is gonna stop these gang members and uneducated, jobless thugs from continuing to wreck our inner cities. Got it. What a plan . Man really brain storming now. How many think tanks and millions of our tax dollars did it take to come up with another Democrat idea like that. Chicago will be so much safer now. Hey you guys don’t ya know you can’t drive bye and blast those innocent kids this weekend, oh no not anymore , didn’t you hear UNIVERSAL BACK GROUND CHECKS, yep all solved. Democrats would use any Registry to go after ANY AND ALL who oppose them politically. That’s what it comes down to.
WalleyeJune 15, 2021, 9:44 pm
Feds should try banning marijuana first.
Jack HolmesJune 14, 2021, 5:52 pm
Every proposal for a “universal background checks” law requires the background check for EVERY firearm transfer.
So let’s understand this in practice:
1) A father gives his son a rifle, and the son must legally go through a background check. 2) A gang member can sell someone a gun out of the trunk of his car, and no background check is needed, and certainly none is performed.
Someone explain to me the following: Why the background check is needed in the first example… How the universal background check law will prevent the 2nd example…
WalleyeJune 15, 2021, 9:38 pm
Bravo! Nobody has ever summed up the deficiencies of UBGC better than you Jack!
ROBERTJune 11, 2021, 10:41 pm
We all know that more people die by cars than by guns, and more and more drivers are using their cars as lethal weapons. So, tell me WHY don’t we register every car, and have mandatory background checks every time an automobile transfers? We have a constitutional RIGHT to keep and bear guns. Driving is a PRIVELEGE. WHY is the COVEN in congress not pursuing restrictions on cars? I know, … it’s all rhetorical; we have all heard it 1,000, times before. ….. BUT ….. We still need to keep pushing this. ….. AND, LET’S START SUING THE AUTO MAKERS EVERY TIME SOMEONE IS INJURED OR DIES [INSTEAD OF SUING GUN MANUFACTURERS. … Gun makers constantly push safety and responsible use. … How often do you see reckless driving, speeding/racing, etc. on your TV? Just wondering….. So background checks for everybody, red flags on cars, trucks, and bicycles, and continue to invite Big Brother into our lives………
EarlJune 11, 2021, 1:56 pm
So, I’ve gone to a couples of the gun shows in Ft. Worth and even purchased a gun there. I completed the required paperwork and a background check was done. However there were several people walking around with long guns and pistols and I’m certain they were selling those to individuals that were at the show looking to buy a gun. According to this video, those are the “private party” transfers and the video used an example of “such as between a husband and a wife”. There are individuals at those guns shows selling their guns to other individuals.
sfvshooterJune 11, 2021, 7:19 pm
I’ve seen those people at gun shows in AZ as well. I’m not an AZ resident and I’ve never inquired about purchasing firearms from these individuals, but I’m certain these are cash transactions between two parties and there’s no paperwork involved.
Isn’t this what the gun control crowd is referring to when they mention “gun show loopholes?” If so, shouldn’t these transactions be subject to background checks like all other firearm purchases? After all, we, as responsible gun owners, don’t want people who shouldn’t own firearms to purchase firearms, right?
KaneJune 11, 2021, 10:22 pm
All local, state and federal laws apply at the gun show but yes, this is what the gun control crowd calls the “gun show loophole.” As I understand, gun shows are NOT a major source of guns for criminals.
KaneJune 11, 2021, 10:42 pm
Oh yeah, I forgot that criminals are protected from self incrination but the law abiding do NOT enjoy that protection.
jrkmt1June 14, 2021, 4:41 am
Twenty-eight states require background checks on ALL private sales and transfers at gun shows (15 of which mandate BCGs on private sales/transfers throughout the state). When sale/purchase is negotiated between seller and buyer, they go to a licensed dealer who will conduct the NICS check. If this is done in a state with a waiting period, the FFL holder will retain possession of firearm until wait time has elapse. Purchaser can then go to the dealer’s business to pick up purchase. When no waiting period is involved, the buyer must show proof of NICS being done, or he/she will not get out of the building with their “new” goodie. I am so glad I live in a free state.
DELCOJune 16, 2021, 4:35 pm
Earl sales at Gun shows like you are describing make up less then 3% of ALL Gun sales. What you are doing Earl is trying to insinuate as if some how Gun shows are providing venues where large amounts of Guns are being sold in some under the table secret way. STOP because all it does is continue to spread BS left wing propaganda earl. Gun shows are absolutely NOT in any way the problem. Maybe we should look at how not a single kid in the entire Baltimore, Philadelphia school system is above 50% proficient in math and basic English. How not having a father in the home is not only a bad thing but also having multiple kids with multiple females without having a job leads to bad choices. How about allowing millions of illegals to INVADE our borders does nothing but compound things like crime rates and the devaluation of property. Gun shows haha nice try .
RobJune 11, 2021, 6:18 am
Even though I shoot and collect firearms, I’m still missing the “the universal background check wont work without a registry” thing… When you go pick up a firearm from your ffl, he can’t call in the nics check the day before, because it’s illegal; you could have committed a crime in between those times, right? Your background check at the dealer does NOTHING but verify you’re not a person with a disqualifying conviction from that point, (depending on the crime) to the year you were born. So tell me, why wouldn’t that help out in stopping say an MS13 guy from getting sold a gun in a face to face in some dudes backyard in LA? If it stops a felon in a gun shop from getting a gun, how can it not stop a felon from buying your shotgun from you in your house? I get that 99.9% of guns used in ANY crime are straight up stolen, and that laws are only for us anyhow but still, how can background checks not stop face to facers from selling a long gun to a criminal out of your house?
Dr MotownJune 11, 2021, 7:12 am
Sure, it may stop you from inadvertently selling a gun to a felon or a distant relative whose shady past you might not have known…..but, if the felon was smart, he’d get your gun through a straw purchase. Ultimately, the devil is in the details with these proposals: will they tack on universal registration? Will they penalize you for simple acts like loaning a hunting rifle to your neighbor? Will NICS be readily available to the general public? Personally, I NEVER sell a firearm without going through a FFL….I want a solid paper trail so nothing comes back to bite me in the arse
RJune 11, 2021, 8:58 am
Yupp. I “sold” a Sig P938 to a table at a gun show ( trade for another gun ). 2 years later i get a call from a PD 2 counties away asking if that gun was stolen (from me ). The guy that ended up with it , was in possession of a different stolen pistol & they were double checking the Sig. Luckily , no crime was committed with it .
JohnJune 11, 2021, 7:37 am
Rob, you’re missing the point. If this law goes into affect you may very well do the back round check when you sell a gun to a stranger. That’s not the issue. After some time goes by the gun grabbers will fine reasons why that law alone does not work. The will want to track where the gun came form that was used in a crime. You can’t track a gun unless you know where is came from. The only way to do that is to register each with an owner. Once that has taken place some time later a tyrant will take office and you will have Fed’s come to your home asking for the guns on there list. If you don’t have them or give them to the Fed’s you will go to jail!
JohnJune 11, 2021, 7:42 am
I forgot one more thing. Criminal “A” wants to sell a gun to criminal “B”. Do you really expect him to say that he can’t sell it to the other criminal because he won’t pass the background check??? The lib’s want to say they want to use “common since” . REALLY!!!
Big Al 45June 11, 2021, 10:10 am
Wow! The fact that you asked this in this manner is enlightening as to your reasoning skills. Why would it not stop an MS13 guy from a backyard transaction??????????? Well , because as a criminal, the MS13 guy isn’t interested in legally buying a gun at all, and isn’t going to buy one from someone who wants to do the paperwork. Do you think there will be a drone overhead watching every gun transaction??? And you get that 99.9% (not true, by the way) of guns used illegally are stolen, but you can’t reason why Laws DON’T WORK on the lawless??????
John BoutwellJune 11, 2021, 11:05 pm
What about baseball bats and knives, hammers ,autos, people can be violent it’s in our human nature lists and laws will not change that ever!
SnakeJune 11, 2021, 1:33 am
The video is, in my personal opinion, top notch, although it is kind of sad that you can come up with the same good arguments again and again, yet the gun control proponents would never listen to them. I bet no one of them has seen this video either until now. After all, they live in a bubble and only listen to themselves or to people that absolutely agree with them in the first place, which unfortunately is very common among these so-called “liberals”.
My favorite part of the video is actually very close to the end, when it is being mentioned that universal background checks cannot prohibit sales of firearms between unauthorized individuals. If I get with anyone into such a discussion, I always back up this fact with the Columbine massacre, where one of the four guns, the Tec-9, was bought from an unauthorized private seller (Mark Manes), who actually had to spend a few years in prison for that. And when it comes to the background checks, well, a girlfriend of the two shooters bought the other three guns for them at a gun show and then just gave these to them. Back then, background checks for private sales at gun shows were not existing, they came after Columbine because of that, but the fact is also that the woman (Robyn K. Anderson) would have come out clean, because she had no criminal record. So, all what the background checks would have achieved is that the two shooters would have had to wait a few days longer before they would get their hands on the guns, but they still would have received them anyway.
So again, there is no point to stop mass shootings or crimes with guns by putting universal background checks on anyone, because criminals just do not care about the law. Yet, have fun to convince the hardcore proponents of gun control to talk some common sense into them. Indeed, it can be fun sometimes, when you see their suddenly stupid looking faces, because they are suddenly hit with the facts, which even they cannot deny, but sometimes it makes you want to cry, because of such a huge amount of unwillingness to actually listen to you, or their unwillingness to change their thinking after they have received all the facts.
KaneJune 11, 2021, 10:43 pm
Note, Robynn K. Anderson was never charged with any crime making those “straw purchases.”
SnakeJune 12, 2021, 12:45 pm
You’re right, I’ve forgotten to mention the fact that she was never charged.
Why is it so difficult to understand? When law abiding citizens want a Gun they go fill out the paperwork, and have to pass a background check NICS performed by an FFL DEALER. All this talk about stopping criminals/MS-13 members from being afraid to go buy a Gun because all a sudden a stupid thing like universal checks, or some registry is for dumb people to believe. Democrats just want to be able to keep track and put the people that oppose them on a list . A list that does ABSOLUTELY ZERO to stop crime. Are we serious. Chicago has what 50-100 shootings every weekend. Baltimore, Philadelphia, LA, st.Louis all have dozens of shootings every day. Oh wait yeah universal background checks and putting the names of the honest Gun buyers on a list that IS THE ANSWER after all these years. Yeah OK that is what is gonna stop these gang members and uneducated, jobless thugs from continuing to wreck our inner cities. Got it. What a plan . Man really brain storming now. How many think tanks and millions of our tax dollars did it take to come up with another Democrat idea like that. Chicago will be so much safer now. Hey you guys don’t ya know you can’t drive bye and blast those innocent kids this weekend, oh no not anymore , didn’t you hear UNIVERSAL BACK GROUND CHECKS, yep all solved. Democrats would use any Registry to go after ANY AND ALL who oppose them politically. That’s what it comes down to.
Feds should try banning marijuana first.
Every proposal for a “universal background checks” law requires the background check for EVERY firearm transfer.
So let’s understand this in practice:
1) A father gives his son a rifle, and the son must legally go through a background check.
2) A gang member can sell someone a gun out of the trunk of his car, and no background check is needed, and certainly none is performed.
Someone explain to me the following:
Why the background check is needed in the first example…
How the universal background check law will prevent the 2nd example…
Bravo! Nobody has ever summed up the deficiencies of UBGC better than you Jack!
We all know that more people die by cars than by guns, and more and more drivers are using their cars as lethal weapons.
So, tell me WHY don’t we register every car, and have mandatory background checks every time an automobile transfers?
We have a constitutional RIGHT to keep and bear guns. Driving is a PRIVELEGE.
WHY is the COVEN in congress not pursuing restrictions on cars?
I know, … it’s all rhetorical; we have all heard it 1,000, times before. ….. BUT ….. We still need to keep pushing this. ….. AND, LET’S START SUING THE AUTO MAKERS EVERY TIME SOMEONE IS INJURED OR DIES [INSTEAD OF SUING GUN MANUFACTURERS. … Gun makers constantly push safety and responsible use. … How often do you see reckless driving, speeding/racing, etc. on your TV?
Just wondering….. So background checks for everybody, red flags on cars, trucks, and bicycles, and continue to invite Big Brother into our lives………
So, I’ve gone to a couples of the gun shows in Ft. Worth and even purchased a gun there. I completed the required paperwork and a background check was done. However there were several people walking around with long guns and pistols and I’m certain they were selling those to individuals that were at the show looking to buy a gun. According to this video, those are the “private party” transfers and the video used an example of “such as between a husband and a wife”. There are individuals at those guns shows selling their guns to other individuals.
I’ve seen those people at gun shows in AZ as well. I’m not an AZ resident and I’ve never inquired about purchasing firearms from these individuals, but I’m certain these are cash transactions between two parties and there’s no paperwork involved.
Isn’t this what the gun control crowd is referring to when they mention “gun show loopholes?” If so, shouldn’t these transactions be subject to background checks like all other firearm purchases? After all, we, as responsible gun owners, don’t want people who shouldn’t own firearms to purchase firearms, right?
All local, state and federal laws apply at the gun show but yes, this is what the gun control crowd calls the “gun show loophole.” As I understand, gun shows are NOT a major source of guns for criminals.
Oh yeah, I forgot that criminals are protected from self incrination but the law abiding do NOT enjoy that protection.
Twenty-eight states require background checks on ALL private sales and transfers at gun shows (15 of which mandate BCGs on private sales/transfers throughout the state).
When sale/purchase is negotiated between seller and buyer, they go to a licensed dealer who will conduct the NICS check. If this is done in a state with a waiting period, the FFL holder will retain possession of firearm until wait time has elapse. Purchaser can then go to the dealer’s business to pick up purchase. When no waiting period is involved, the buyer must show proof of NICS being done, or he/she will not get out of the building with their “new” goodie.
I am so glad I live in a free state.
Earl sales at Gun shows like you are describing make up less then 3% of ALL Gun sales. What you are doing Earl is trying to insinuate as if some how Gun shows are providing venues where large amounts of Guns are being sold in some under the table secret way. STOP because all it does is continue to spread BS left wing propaganda earl. Gun shows are absolutely NOT in any way the problem. Maybe we should look at how not a single kid in the entire Baltimore, Philadelphia school system is above 50% proficient in math and basic English. How not having a father in the home is not only a bad thing but also having multiple kids with multiple females without having a job leads to bad choices. How about allowing millions of illegals to INVADE our borders does nothing but compound things like crime rates and the devaluation of property. Gun shows haha nice try .
Even though I shoot and collect firearms, I’m still missing the “the universal background check wont work without a registry” thing… When you go pick up a firearm from your ffl, he can’t call in the nics check the day before, because it’s illegal; you could have committed a crime in between those times, right? Your background check at the dealer does NOTHING but verify you’re not a person with a disqualifying conviction from that point, (depending on the crime) to the year you were born. So tell me, why wouldn’t that help out in stopping say an MS13 guy from getting sold a gun in a face to face in some dudes backyard in LA? If it stops a felon in a gun shop from getting a gun, how can it not stop a felon from buying your shotgun from you in your house? I get that 99.9% of guns used in ANY crime are straight up stolen, and that laws are only for us anyhow but still, how can background checks not stop face to facers from selling a long gun to a criminal out of your house?
Sure, it may stop you from inadvertently selling a gun to a felon or a distant relative whose shady past you might not have known…..but, if the felon was smart, he’d get your gun through a straw purchase. Ultimately, the devil is in the details with these proposals: will they tack on universal registration? Will they penalize you for simple acts like loaning a hunting rifle to your neighbor? Will NICS be readily available to the general public? Personally, I NEVER sell a firearm without going through a FFL….I want a solid paper trail so nothing comes back to bite me in the arse
Yupp. I “sold” a Sig P938 to a table at a gun show ( trade for another gun ). 2 years later i get a call from a PD 2 counties away asking if that gun was stolen (from me ). The guy that ended up with it , was in possession of a different stolen pistol & they were double checking the Sig. Luckily , no crime was committed with it .
Rob, you’re missing the point. If this law goes into affect you may very well do the back round check when you sell a gun to a stranger. That’s not the issue. After some time goes by the gun grabbers will fine reasons why that law alone does not work. The will want to track where the gun came form that was used in a crime. You can’t track a gun unless you know where is came from. The only way to do that is to register each with an owner. Once that has taken place some time later a tyrant will take office and you will have Fed’s come to your home asking for the guns on there list. If you don’t have them or give them to the Fed’s you will go to jail!
I forgot one more thing. Criminal “A” wants to sell a gun to criminal “B”. Do you really expect him to say that he can’t sell it to the other criminal because he won’t pass the background check??? The lib’s want to say they want to use “common since” . REALLY!!!
Wow! The fact that you asked this in this manner is enlightening as to your reasoning skills.
Why would it not stop an MS13 guy from a backyard transaction???????????
Well , because as a criminal, the MS13 guy isn’t interested in legally buying a gun at all, and isn’t going to buy one from someone who wants to do the paperwork.
Do you think there will be a drone overhead watching every gun transaction???
And you get that 99.9% (not true, by the way) of guns used illegally are stolen, but you can’t reason why Laws DON’T WORK on the lawless??????
What about baseball bats and knives, hammers ,autos, people can be violent it’s in our human nature lists and laws will not change that ever!
The video is, in my personal opinion, top notch, although it is kind of sad that you can come up with the same good arguments again and again, yet the gun control proponents would never listen to them. I bet no one of them has seen this video either until now. After all, they live in a bubble and only listen to themselves or to people that absolutely agree with them in the first place, which unfortunately is very common among these so-called “liberals”.
My favorite part of the video is actually very close to the end, when it is being mentioned that universal background checks cannot prohibit sales of firearms between unauthorized individuals. If I get with anyone into such a discussion, I always back up this fact with the Columbine massacre, where one of the four guns, the Tec-9, was bought from an unauthorized private seller (Mark Manes), who actually had to spend a few years in prison for that. And when it comes to the background checks, well, a girlfriend of the two shooters bought the other three guns for them at a gun show and then just gave these to them. Back then, background checks for private sales at gun shows were not existing, they came after Columbine because of that, but the fact is also that the woman (Robyn K. Anderson) would have come out clean, because she had no criminal record. So, all what the background checks would have achieved is that the two shooters would have had to wait a few days longer before they would get their hands on the guns, but they still would have received them anyway.
So again, there is no point to stop mass shootings or crimes with guns by putting universal background checks on anyone, because criminals just do not care about the law. Yet, have fun to convince the hardcore proponents of gun control to talk some common sense into them. Indeed, it can be fun sometimes, when you see their suddenly stupid looking faces, because they are suddenly hit with the facts, which even they cannot deny, but sometimes it makes you want to cry, because of such a huge amount of unwillingness to actually listen to you, or their unwillingness to change their thinking after they have received all the facts.
Note, Robynn K. Anderson was never charged with any crime making those “straw purchases.”
You’re right, I’ve forgotten to mention the fact that she was never charged.