Buy Your Surplus, WW-II Era 1911 from the Government!

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I want a surplus 1911 from the government! Judging by the overwhelming response we received on our last article on this topic, I’m definitely NOT the only one! I’d venture to guess there are thousands of you out there that feel the same way. After all, it’s not every day that one has the chance to score a WWII-era 1911 that is guaranteed to be 100 percent real, and that has never been on the consumer market.

Okay. The obvious has been stated. We want these surplus 1911s. Now, what? How do we get them? How much are they? When will they become available? How many are available to the public?

How We Got Here

Before I get to those questions, let’s back up for a moment and revisit how we got here. At the end of last month, president Obama signed an omnibus bill known as the National Defense Authorization Act, which among other things contained a provision to allow the government to relinquish the Army’s stockpile of surplus M1911 and M1911A1 pistols to the Civilian Marksmanship Program, so that they can be sold to the general public.

If you’re not familiar with the Civilian Marksmanship Program, it’s a national organization dedicated to training and educating U. S. citizens in responsible uses of firearms and airguns through gun safety training, marksmanship training, and competitions. It’s a quasi-government, non-profit agency.

For our intents and purposes, the CMP is the intermediary that transfers the Army’s 1911s to us. If you haven’t read our series “Garands from the Government,” now would be the time. Our fearless leader Paul Helinski goes step-by-step through the process, detailing how he purchased surplus military M1 Garands through the CMP. In fact, some of what he wrote regarding getting your ducks in a row to purchase a firearm from the CMP, I’ve reposted below. But I highly recommend you check out that series.

It should also be noted that Rep. Mike Rogers’ (R-Alabama) is largely responsible for adding the provision to sell the 1911s to the NDAA.

“As a gun owner and strong believer in the Second Amendment, my proposal is a commonsense approach to eliminating an unnecessary cost to the Federal government while allowing the very capable CMP to handle the sale of these vintage firearms that otherwise would just sit in storage,” said Rogers back in August, who pointed out what it cost taxpayer’s to store the 1911s: $2 per gun, per year. Roughly speaking, $200,000 each year.

Questions Answered?

Now, to the questions at hand. I reached out to the CMP for answers to the aforementioned questions and here is what they told me, word for word:

“The legislation has passed. We have no further information at this time,” said Mark Johnson, CMP’s Chief Operating Officer.

Needless to say, not very helpful. What we do know, however, is that of the 100,000 or so 1911s available from the Army (the NDAA only authorizes the sale of 1911s belonging to the Army, not the other branches of the military), so far 8,300 have already been sold off to law enforcement officers through the Department of Defense’s 1033 Program, which gives police officers privileged access to purchase these surplus firearms.

The remaining lot, around 90,000 will not be available all at once. The CMP is only allowed to sell 10,000 per year, per the language of the bill. Each transaction will be closely monitored by the Pentagon, which will report to Congress the number of firearms sold and any crimes committed using them.

Purchaser’s Requirements

Buying a firearm from the CMP is not like buying a firearm from your local gun dealer. The CMP requires all of the following (this is an excerpt from Paul’s article on “Garands from the Government”):

  1. Club Membership – If you are a member of a gun club, check the list at http://www.odcmp.com/clubs/searchclubs.htm to see if your club is a CMP member. Mine was, so I just send a photocopy of my membership card. if you aren’t a member of a club that is on the list, or if you aren’t in an affiliated veteran, law enforcement or community group, all on those state lists, you can join the Garand Collectors Association for $25 and that will cover you.
  2. Proof of Age – A drivers license photocopy is fine for this.
  3. Proof of Citizenship – But a drivers license is not fine for this. It was my mistake, and I returned the email request from customer service with a photocopy of my passport, which was fine. it says any birth certificate kind of government document works, and they apparently will not be involving Sherriff Joe.
  4. Proof of Marksmanship or Other Firearms Related Activity – Any NRA course form, probably including a basic hunter safety certificate, looks to be ok for this, though it says it must include life fire training. I sent my CCW license which it specifically lists as OK. Any law enforcement or military history is proof as well. There is also a PDF you can have a range officer sign on the eligibility page.
  5. **NOTARIZED** NICS Form – I am sure a lot of people get caught up with this. They run a NICS check for every order and part of the form you download and print is a standard list of questions from the BATFE Form 4473. But unlike filling out a 4473 in a gun shop, you have to **WAIT TO SIGN THIS** until you take it to a notary public in your state. They will take your driver’s license and you sign the form in front of them. They then stamp your form to certify that it is in fact you who signed it. You can find a notary at most banks for free, and for a nominal fee at town hall, and even at pack and ship places. The notary will not stamp it unless you sign it in front of them.
  6. Your order form. – This includes all of your payment information and the details of your order.
  7. Firearm Owner ID Card – If you live in a state like Massachusetts, where state laws, in violation of the US Constitution, forbid you to possess a firearm without a special permit called a Firearm Owners ID card, YOU MUST SEND CMP A COPY OF THE CARD WITH YOUR APPLICATION. I am sure that there are states where individual guns must be registered as well, and it is impossible for us to keep this article fresh with information over the years it will be up, so if you live in MA, CA, NY, CT,NJ, HI, IL, or any of the other bad gun law states, check with CMP before placing your order. Their phone number is 256-835-8455. If you are in a flyover state, or Florida, you should be fine with just the CMP stuff.

Bottom Line:

The bill authorizing the sale of the Army’s surplus 1911 has been signed by president Obama. We don’t know as of yet when CMP will begin taking orders for the 1911s. However, we’ll be damn sure to keep you posted.

We don’t know how much they’ll cost. We do know that the CMP is only allowed to sell 10,000 1911s each year. We also know what CMP requires potential buyers to submit (see above) in order to purchase a firearm. So, if you want one, get your credentials in order.

(Freelance writer Mike Doran contributed to this article)

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  • Robert Thompson June 10, 2017, 7:43 am

    I’m a retired police officer and wanting to buy a 1911, how do I go about doing it or is the DOD 1033 program still in effect for police officers?

  • An1 October 13, 2016, 7:30 am

    Is there an update to what will happen to the 1911s I can’t find any new information

  • DEWY September 27, 2016, 5:25 am

    Great, let the cops have one first, is that somehow fair to the rest of the public? NO, we all pay taxes and bought these things to begin with. It seem the police have way to many tows now, they aren’t law officers anymore, they’re para military jack boot thugs.

    • Police suporter July 21, 2017, 9:36 am

      So, the next time you need help you will be calling your local drug dealer, rapist or murderer to come to your rescue? Let them overpaid “jack booted thugs” buy their own nerf guns from kmart.

      • Will July 23, 2017, 1:44 pm

        I don’t need the cops to rescue me. cops carry guns to protect themselves.

      • Dean Scholl August 7, 2017, 1:07 pm

        The next time i need a jack booted thug…i will call 911…i support my law enforcement officers. ..to the hilt!…now,where can i buy a 1911 a1

  • Don Lewis August 17, 2016, 11:09 pm

    This article reminded me of how many different government auctions there are out there.
    You have local, state, and federal auctions…live and online auctions…not to mention IRS, Customs, Military, Marshal, State Treasury and on and on.
    You can really get some deals if you know what you’re doing.
    For example, I bought a lot of 2000 ammunition cans for 15 cents per can and sold them for $4 per can. So for a $300 investment, I made $8,000.
    Here’s the website I use to find the best auctions:
    http://www.bestquicktips.com/surplussales
    Best of luck!

  • Adam June 16, 2016, 10:23 am
  • Kenneth Barber February 7, 2016, 3:12 pm

    i went to the CMP south store Feb. 4, 2016. they told me that it would be at least 2 years before they had any and maybe 3 years. yes the bill has past but the Obama admin is dragging their feet. CPM’s words not mine. the next admin will take a year getting their organization done it may take another year for them to notice the 1911’s for sale authorization. true? don’t really know but that is what the CMP clerk told me. i am less than 6 miles to CMP south store.

  • Don December 15, 2015, 9:17 pm

    How do C&R holders fit into this process or do they not?

  • Sol December 11, 2015, 2:29 pm

    Where do you get the NICS form and the order form. Please tell me

  • Nate December 10, 2015, 12:37 pm

    I just went to the CMP site via the Grand buying page. There is no link, or obvious location, to find the 1911’s you wrote about in the above article. Do you have any more specific info?

  • Robert Hollis December 9, 2015, 1:20 am

    When I purchased my M1 Grand I had a FFL and the postman delivered it to my door. Those days are gone along with my FFL.

    • William L Grimm July 24, 2017, 3:53 am

      I used to have a FFL also. The government took it away and started charging exorbitant prices for licenses. I used to get ammo delivered to my door straight from NRA. How the world has changed over the years. My gun store has raised its price to transfer from $50 to $100. it is just one more thing in California to try and keep guns from the honest citizen.

  • Gene December 8, 2015, 11:32 am

    I would love to own a original military issue of the M-14 rifle.Has any of these ever been sold to the GP.I see a lot of after market m-14s They are not even close.I do know they gave some to police departments.I was told they have to give them back to the government when they no longer want them.I saw one in the trunk of a deputys car.It was filthy and abused.He said he has had it for 2 or 3 years in his trunk but is not even interested in firing it.It will out perform any military rifle in use.That is my openion.I know it was faithful to me the years I was in the USMC.I have taken out targets @ 1 thousand yards.Good ole Kentucky windage.If there is one available,I would sure like to know….Thanks for listening.

    • John Urbanski July 10, 2016, 12:21 am

      Some years ago, a gunsmith I knew who was an M1A specialist & had close contact with the CMP folks in Alabama told me at one time CMP was going to cut the selector tab off the receiver so the receiver could never be made full automatic, then sell the altered rifles as per the Garands, but when the wars in the Mid-East & Afghanistan escalated, several services, particularly the USMC, put some back into service, so the military decided to keep them in inventory & reserve. Smith Enterprises down in Arizona rebuilt some of these rifles for the U.S. military. You might want to contact him & see what is currently up. At one time, about 10 years ago, some company, whose name I cannot recall, went forward with the manufacture of forged M1A style receivers v. the cast receivers commonly used in the M1A, but I do not think it went very far.

  • petru sova December 7, 2015, 11:09 am

    Please be aware these should be saved as collector grade investments. They will not be cheap and altering them (butchering them) will destroy their future rise in collector value, cut in half immediately the price you paid for them and all money spent butchering them will be money down the drain. I realize my advice will fall on deaf ears which means those few people who preserve their guns will have guns that will in the future rise astronomically in value.

    Please be aware that 40 some years ago the Military did a magnuflux test on the frames of some guns in inventory and many had cracked frames from hard prolonged use.

    Do not think you will be getting a mint gun as most have been rebuilt many times and if a few have been never issued they will probably be auctioned off for astronomical prices.

    These guns were built in a hurry under war time conditions and will have very poor accuracy compared to modern pistols and that is why most will be butchered by their new owners with new barrels, target sights etc.

    Be aware that the slides have not been heat treated and do not get the mileage modern guns do. So again these are collector type weapons, not guns to take out and pore hundreds of rounds through, notice I said hundreds not even thousands due to their age and heat treatment.

    Sights are very small and only a 20 year old with 20/20 vision will be able to use them.

    Trigger pulls will be creepy and heavy as again these guns were built in a hurry under war time conditions.

    Remember replacing any parts, even the plastic grips, refinishing them or altering the guns in any way will cut the value in half and destroy all future rise in the collector value of the weapon and all money spent butchering them will be money down the drain. Keep them original and preserve their historical value.

  • Lee McCormack December 6, 2015, 10:11 pm

    Why would I want to go through that much trouble when I get one through a gun dealer. I don’t even know how much they are charging. Most likely it another way of getting more info. on gun owners.

  • Tony December 6, 2015, 3:14 pm

    The article and opportunity sound fabulous until you find out more about what it takes,final cost and so on. I looked into the CMP program awhile back when I wanted a true Garand and carbine. Everything seems to be set up in order so the average Joe says ahhhh forget it. And then searching online you’ll find the majority of these firearms are bought and flipped for profit by greedy people. Yes a person can buy an authentic Garand, M-1, or a 1911just about anywhere, but purchasing one from storage that has yet been on the market has an entirely different satisfaction and once a first time interested buyer sees what system is in place and who ends up with the majority all interest is lost. Just look into Garands and carbines for sale that we’re bought thru the marksmanship program only to be flipped for profit and you’ll agree.

    • stan March 27, 2016, 2:57 am

      Greedy sellers? Hardly. Most of the Garands bought from CMP stay with the people who bought them. There are thousands of M1’s on the market so how would anyone know where they were purchased? And who cares if a guy who qualified to by a rifle from CMP sells it for profit, thats America.

  • Lev Michaels December 5, 2015, 2:03 pm

    It’s a nice article however we won’t see any of these 1911A1s for sale for a long time. Not sure where those 8300 1911s ended up but none of my Cop friends or my Fed. Agency I retired from knows about anyone being given the opportunity to purchase under DOD 1033. These 1911s will have to be released by the Army… which in our case with the current President, ain’t going to happen anytime soon.

  • Jerry December 5, 2015, 10:59 am

    UPDATEAS OF 12.05.2015 DIRECT FROM CMP SITE REGARDING 1911s:
    11/30/15 An update on the 1911’s…
    The NDAA 2016 has been signed into law, and we have no further information concerning the status of the 1911s at this time.
    Thank you,
    Mark Johnson
    Chief Operating Officer

  • Bryan December 5, 2015, 9:58 am

    Any ideas how much they will be sold for?

  • Carl Gulledge December 5, 2015, 7:41 am

    Carried a Colt 45 along with a Thompson sub-machine gun in Korea in 1952-53. Very reliable and ass saving.

  • dave December 5, 2015, 5:45 am

    ” Obama signed an omnibus bill known as the National Defense Authorization Act”?????,…… (which among other things????????).”Each transaction will be closely monitored by the Pentagon, {which will report to Congress the number of firearms sold and any crimes committed using them}.” Obama signs something that would seem, on the surface, to be pro gun???? Seems a lot more due diligence needs to be undertaken. Though I have no problem with the Government making these treasures available to the public, color me skeptical about the”among other things” comment. “I’m from the Government and I’m here to help”……… Smells strongly of a backdoor database.

  • Gammon December 5, 2015, 3:12 am

    An FID card is mentioned as necessary in states like MA. I am a MA resident with a CCW but no FID card. I originally held an FID card in MA, but then got a CCW permit many years ago. When I attempted to renew my FID card the officer at my local PD informed me that it was not needed as the CCW was sufficient. Will a CCW permit be sufficient to purchase one of these 1911s?

  • Mike December 5, 2015, 1:52 am

    Why do policemen have priority while the veterans who actually used them in combat do not.

    • Gary September 16, 2016, 11:27 am

      Individual police officers can not purchase these weapons. The weapons were offered to police departments for departmental use only. The weapons must be returned to the military when the police department decides the weapon is no longer needed by their department.

  • A. Vasil December 5, 2015, 1:31 am

    What is the price on the surplus 1911, WWII firearms?

    A. Vasil

  • James R. Turkay December 4, 2015, 10:53 pm

    I have a springfield 1911 that I prize right now but it won’t bring back my memories of my military 1911 that I had which was ripped off along with my M1 Garand. I want one of the surplus to revive my memories and good times and bad times that I had shooting it.

  • Gus December 4, 2015, 6:14 pm

    I bought a colt series 70 model about 15 years ago in mint condition for 400 bucks. Look at any gun shop now and see what that model is going for. At least a grand. Appears competition shooters love to get their hands on that series because it had better steel.

  • GEORGE December 4, 2015, 6:13 pm

    AND HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ONCE BOUGHT THAT THE GOVERNMENT (UNDER OBAMA’S WATCH) WILL NOT USE THESE FIREARMS TO TRACK DOWN THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BOUGHT THEM FOR HIS USE AS AMERICAN TERRORIST. AT THIS TIME I WOULD NOT TRUST OBAMA TO OR WITH ANYTHING THAT HE HAS OR WILL DO. HE IS A LIAR, CHEAT, WANNA BE DICTATER AND GOD ONLY KNOWS WHAT ELSE. JUST A THOUGHT.

  • Norm December 4, 2015, 5:28 pm

    I’d rather buy a new 1911 from a reliable mfr. or gun shop, than a who-knows-what kind of shape one of these is in, not to mention all the hoops and paperwork involved. Not worth the trouble.

  • Jack Smith December 4, 2015, 1:33 pm

    Isn’t there be a sign in the store at Camp Perry saying: If you love your country, you’ll love its clapped out milsurp junk! These old pointblank Huckwhackers would make JMB himself laugh.

  • Robin Miler December 4, 2015, 1:07 pm

    The army issued one of these to me in the early 1970s. It was a piece of junk. I couldn’t hit anything with it, and I wasn’t alone. The running joke was that it was more accurate to throu the thing than to shoot it. If the gov’t wants to sell me a surplus gun, how about an M-16 with an M-203 grenade launcher attached? I could actually do damage with that…

  • Tad Bailey December 4, 2015, 1:04 pm

    This news I received from the CMP is that the 1911 bill was vetoed. Here’s a copy and paste from their 11-3 newsletter:
    Update on the legislation on the 1911 pistols. The National Defense Appropriations Act has been vetoed. We have no further information at this time.

    And then I received this from them 12-2:
    An update on the 1911’s
    The NDAA 2016 has passed. We have no further information concerning the status of the 1911s. We will update our customers as we know more. Please do not email or call with questions regarding the 1911s. Our systems are overloaded.

    Huh?

  • Bisley December 4, 2015, 1:01 pm

    Nothing is going to be released for sale to the public while Obama is president — he and his appointees will find ways (legal,or otherwise) to obstruct it. Maybe when he’s gone, providing the idiots of this country don’t elect another Democrat.

  • Mark Hammond December 4, 2015, 12:53 pm

    I really get a chuckle when people start talking about the possibility of having problems because they put their info on some government data base. Does anyone really believe their not already on this data base. Personally, I don’t like big brother either, but the fact is, if your doing your business within the guide line of the laws and the constitution then theirs nothing to worry about. I hate to burst anyone bubble, but Big Brother already know what time you crap every morning, especially if you own a nice pile of guns! So worrying about that sort of nonsense, at least in my opinion, keeps you out of some possibly great opportunities. And by the way, in this day and age, filled with terrorist that would love nothing more if the U.S. would drop it guard a little, so they could walk in and slaughter more innocent women and children . Like I said, it’s just one mans opinion, but I truly believe if you have nothing to hide and your doing things on the up and up, then you have nothing to fear from all this government oversight. I’m 60 years old, and I have owned mountain’s of guns at one time or another and every gun I owned was purchased or sold by the book, and I never once had an issue from the government! I really don’t think it’s luck either!!

  • CMC December 4, 2015, 12:37 pm

    I can get a 1911 much simpler and without going through all of that B.S.!

  • mark hammond December 4, 2015, 12:36 pm

    Mike do you or anyone else know what they sold them for in the past. Although, it may not mean anything since it appears this is the first time they are prepairing to sell them to the general public, which will be most likely be much higher then any deal made with large orders from Law Enforcement. Next Q: does anyone know if they will allow them to be transferred, or re-sold and can you purchase more then one at a time. I guess the last thing I’d like to know is are these guns coming from their reconditioned stock? Many people have 1911’s I’ve owned several over the years, including my Fathers issued to him in WWII. and the vast majority of these guns are a real hodge-podge of different manufactures parts. Just because you have grips, or a barrel saying Remington, or Colt, doesn’t mean that what you actually have. At one point every soldier was SUPPOSED to turn in their firearm at the end of their tour. The military then took everyone of these guns and broke them down into each individual part, parts that were still good went into large drums to soak in some sort of cleaning and oiling solution. any parts that didn’t meet their original specs. were smelted down for other uses. Then they had a certain amount of GI’s that they trained to be Gun Smiths ( Lucky Guys )! These Gun Smiths would then simply take all the used parts and create workable weapons, like the 1911. hence, it flooded the market with mixed matched manufactured parts. So finding a totally original 1911 is a real Gem and some more then others.

    • Bisley December 4, 2015, 1:12 pm

      They sold off some this way when I was a kid (sometime in the 50s, or early 60s) for $15 each. I believe, at that time, you could buy more than one, but there was a limit.

      • Gene December 4, 2015, 11:13 pm

        You are correct Bisley, In March 1965 I bought an M-1 carbine through the N R A . The price was $15.00 and shipped directly to me. At that time an M-1911 was available for the same price or less. Since then I have bought , through the C M P , 3 M-1 Garands, They were shipped directly to me by Fed Ex . The garands were checked for throat erosion and I paid extra for one of them with minimum wear , It was graded select grade.

  • Richard (Rick) Kelly December 4, 2015, 12:36 pm

    The link in the above article to find CMP affiliated clubs didn’t work. It came up with a “error 404 – page doesn’t exist or has been moved.
    The following link does work.
    https://ct.thecmp.org/app/v1/index.php?do=clubSearch

  • Roger Brettq December 4, 2015, 12:24 pm

    The big thing before we go to all that trouble is…HOW…MUCH…IS…IT GOING TO COST. In the light of gun mfgrs like “Auto-Ordance Corp. selling a “Tightened up” 1911 for $595.00 that shoots more accurate that the original 1911’s ever would; who’s going to pay more than that (if ever) for a beat up one just because it may have been used in the “War”???

  • Frank December 4, 2015, 12:03 pm

    I agree with the comments made above and if you got an old WWII era (new unissued) US Government Colt 1911 then it would be worth the trouble for serious collectors.

    I would not go through all of this Government red tape BS & expense for a used (unknown condition) 70+ year old pistol.

    I would definitely buy the new commercially available version (same gun) of the US Government issued Colt M45A1 CQCP ( close quarters combat pistol ) which officially replaced the Beretta M9 as the new service pistol for the US Marine Corps in 2012 ( currently only issued to recon and special ops units )!

    Semper Fi! Hoooraahhh!!!!

  • Charles Walden December 4, 2015, 11:22 am

    I am new to this. When you say that you need to belong to a club what does that mean?

  • Jingo-Jan December 4, 2015, 11:06 am

    To all those who are skeptical about going through the CMP for a 1911: The very fact that BHO has green-lighted this sale should in itself give us all cause to be suspicious. After all, does any true red-blooded American patriot trust him!!??
    Having said that, there very well may come a time when gun owners will be confronted with the seizure of their means to defend against a tyrannical government. The issue really is what will YOU do against it? Will you make a stand as our forbears did? Or will you succumb albeit to overwhelming odds? (BHO’s constabulary gun-seizure forces won’t come to your door dressed in suits and ties, and they won’t come in pairs!). The point here is that “THE DAY” is coming—whether or not you make a purchase through the CMP. SAVVY?
    Get what you want while you still can; use it, enjoy it or bury it but be prepared to defend your right to have it! Everyone (every generation) has a duty to defend LIBERTY. We shouldn’t be trying to hide from that!
    “Come to my door first!” should be our rallying cry.

    • Dale W Johnson December 4, 2015, 7:55 pm

      Why so paranoid? The cat is out of the bag on personal information. Google knows more than you do about yourself. The government would have to hire out of work Americans to track down gunowners, and no Republican will vote to give people jobs. What do they do if they show up? Dig up your backyard and the woods looking for weapons? Come on, stop being scared by these assholes who spread this fear.

  • JAMES CORTESE December 4, 2015, 10:40 am

    MAY BE IT`S JUST ME , BUT THIS ADMINISTRATION IS GOING OUT OF IT`S WAY TO CONTROL OUR 2ND AMENMENT RIGHT. THEN THEY TRUN AROUND AND SELL US WEAPONS. IS THIS THERE WAY TO GET MORE DATA SO THEY CAN COME AFTER US LATER.
    I DON`T TRUST THIS ADMINISTRATION AT ALL.

  • John December 4, 2015, 10:38 am

    TEASER AD for unavailable article. Outdated 2013 CMP Catalog> https://thecmp.org/sales-catalog/
    NO BARGAINS IN (TOP DOLLAR) CATALOG!

  • Fred December 4, 2015, 10:31 am

    First of all, the CMP does NOT charge a membership fee. If you elect to be a member of the Garand Collectors Association then it’s around $25. per year. Second, the firearms CMP sells are not junk. They do offer different grades of Garands so you get what you pay for. Every gun they sell has been checked out for condition and safety. Also, the CMP is noted for selling below market cost. That’s why there are scum suckers who will buy all they can to resell for a profit. Lastly, if you are afraid of giving the government your information, I have a bit of bad news they already have all that info plus a lot more.
    Have a nice day!

  • Ed Anderson December 4, 2015, 10:27 am

    I am not a conspiracy theorist but this doesn’t “smell” right. Why would the most liberal, left wing, anti- gun president we have ever seen, allow this transfer to happen without some sort of scheme being behind it.
    I would give serious thought before buying a weapon that Obama has agreed to sell you.

    • Chief December 4, 2015, 12:09 pm

      My thoughts exactly .Seems like a way to get a lot more information on any gun owner who tries to buy one .

  • Marc December 4, 2015, 10:26 am

    Dont forget the CMP also has to become a FFL , before the transfer from the government can take place. They will then have to be shipped to a FFL for transfer to you after purchase. Not to mention the inspection and grading that will take place. The ones with real collector value will be put on the auction site to generate revenue for the CMP. If you really want one get you ducks in a row , start saving your allowance and be patient.

    • Kevin December 4, 2015, 1:01 pm

      Not true. The CMP ships directly to the individual in nearly all states, with the possible exception of NJ due to their recent new law. I live in the People’s Republic of Illinois, and the CMP has direct transferred M1 rifles to me both by US Mail and at the CMP store during the National Matches at Camp Perry.
      My understanding of the how/why is that the CMP is a federal institution, so it trumps state restrictions.

      • Aviator December 4, 2015, 9:49 pm

        I believe not such the case… I’m not 100 percent sure, but I believe the CMP will no longer ship to anyone directly, all firearms must go thru a FFL whether that state requires them or not, but then don’t quote me but I’m pretty that’s what I read awhile back on their site. It wouldn’t have mattered to me anyway because I’m from NJ and we have always had to have firearms shipped to an FLL here in NJ to complete a transfer and have it logged by the State Police as that’s our state regulation. We can have ammo shipped out of state to our door only by out of state vendors who verify that we have a valid Fire Arms ID card and record it. I have had ammo shipped from the CMP to my door but rifles to the FLL who in addition to the CMP also needs to see the Fire Arms ID card. This had been the case in NJ forever. I’ve heard stories that the at one time CMP was unfamiliar with NJ laws and many many years ago would ship a rifle to a NJ residents door steps and not a FFL. But what I said above has been the process of obtaining a firearm in NJ or if you purchase out of state it needed to go to a in state FFL for many many years, I believe dating back to the earlier 1990’s. There’s no new recent law here.

        Also, in NJ hand guns are treated differently from long rifles . In addition to having a Fire Arms ID you also need to obtain permit to purchase for each hand gun, and they’re only good for 90 days, and can be extended for another 90 upon request, but that’s not guaranteed. Just some info for NJ residents that don’t own hand guns maybe interested in a 1911.

  • Ray King December 4, 2015, 10:00 am

    If we have already jumped through all those hoops to purchase a Garand, do we have to do it again?

    • Aviator December 4, 2015, 9:52 pm

      You shouldn’t have to. The CMP keeps your info on. Have you ever placed a second order yet?

  • Rodger December 4, 2015, 9:50 am

    Just like Uncle Scrooge: waits until I’m 73 and a Pauper to open up and sell what I’ve always craved – my “mostest favoritest” semi-auto handgun of all times.

  • Tom December 4, 2015, 9:47 am

    Sure doesnt sound like a President that wants to take our guns away??

    • DOUGLAS J. TINDOL December 4, 2015, 11:18 am

      BEWARE of the Wolf in sheep’s clothing! Don’t worry…you’re just leaving a breadcrumb.

  • Steve Frickie December 4, 2015, 9:14 am

    Would love to have at least one of these. A great gun that has saved a lot of soldiers lives.

  • Ram6 December 4, 2015, 9:01 am

    No way I’d submit all this information to the Federal Government. I have a CCP in the State of Tennessee. Have passed background checks for firearms purchase. But I’m not going on some Federal database so they can sweep in and confiscated my guns at a liberal whim. Love to have a 1911, qualified expert with mine when I was in the Army, but not interested in this offer and all others should be wary.

    • B. Young December 4, 2015, 10:15 am

      If you were in the Army your already on the federal database big time and you just posted here so there’s that. Then there’s the NSA that in a second or two can see every single web page you have looked at in the past several years or more, emails you have sent and received, posts you’ve made and so on, and if you have a CCP from TN the FBI knows you got that so resistance is futile.

    • Rick P December 4, 2015, 2:39 pm

      I agree with your feelings, but if you possess the licenses you’ve named and have purchased or transferred firearms in the last 15 years you, my friend, are in a Federal database. Which in effect nullifies the 4th Amendment pertained to search and seizure, but also refers to a citizens “reasonable” expectation of privacy.

  • Louis Fulton December 4, 2015, 8:44 am

    Several years ago I went through all of the hoops to get a Garand. Even if you belong to an approved club it is difficult and expensive. If you don’t, it is harder and more expensive. Then when you are finally able to buy one you will find that the guns are very expensive and are poor quality. I decided to not continue the yearly fees to the CMP and the expensive online gun club I joined. I still get emails from CMP. All of their offerings are crap. They talk about but are holding on to the .45’s and selling first to their friends. When and if they show up they will be worn out crap and more expensive than what is already on the market.

    • Kevin December 4, 2015, 1:05 pm

      You are partially correct. If you just want a 1911 to shoot, there are better new 1911’s for sale by legions of manufacturers, both foreign (Rock Island, Taurus) and domestic. For these surplus 1911s, you are buying history, and yes, the CMP has devolved from being inexpensive and affordable to being overpriced for both rifles and ammunition. They have to pay for their new Talladega shooting park somehow. Gone are the days of the DCM and reasonable prices.

      • Rick Robinson December 7, 2015, 9:06 pm

        1963-65. My Grandfather Leo Daniels bought for me, from DCM, l911 Colt, Springfield 03A3, and a Winchester .30 carbine. The .45 was about $20, the 03A3 $25, and I think $17 for the carbine. I still have them, at 67. Thanks, Gramps.
        In 1988 I bought a like new M1 Garand for $112.00 from DCM. Ah, the old days…..

  • bill pennington December 4, 2015, 8:18 am

    I am a Texas Viet Nam Vet with a Texas CHL permit. Is that good enough to qualify?

    • JR December 4, 2015, 9:21 am

      I believe there are provisions for vet’s that seems to have been left out of the story. Go to the CMP web site and get it from the horses mouth.

    • RC December 4, 2015, 2:51 pm

      What the article leaves out is that it has not been determined what will qualify for the pistols. It will definately have to go to an FFL unlike M1 rifles/carbines/1903s/etc. If you have discharge papers you are qualified for the rifles, we think that will qualify you for pistols. Go to CMPs website http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/eligibility-requirements/

      That will tell all for rifle sales. Again, we hope the only addition to 1911A1 pistol sales is that it will have to go to an FFL.

      -RC

  • Chris Adams December 4, 2015, 8:17 am

    Maybe we need to task Mike Rogers with getting those dadburn M1 Carbines and Garands in-house from S. Korea. Gads it drives me nuts we can’t dump all 800k of those into both CMP stores so collectors can give them some well-deserved TLC. I have two Garands and a Carbine, but really want to add a couple more from different manufacturers. Yeah I know, but I’m a licensed collector so I’m allowed to have more than one!

  • Michael Gray December 4, 2015, 8:01 am

    What better way to find out who the gun owners who would be a threat? Sell them a used weapon, but make them give all the information they need to find most of the larger stockpiles of weapons (unregistered).

  • Joe Noah December 4, 2015, 7:48 am

    I want one.

    WWII veteran of USMC

    Joe

    • Mike December 5, 2015, 1:50 am

      It looks like a 21 year old policeman has priority, but the veterans who actually used them do not. What a load of it. Now tell me again that the left does not hate the military.

  • Alan Goodrow December 4, 2015, 7:13 am

    The 1911 is the ABSOLUTE BEST handgun ever manufactured! It has saved me hundreds of times at close combat. Most accurate handgun i know of.

    • jow December 4, 2015, 10:11 pm

      Me, I want a 50 watt plasma rifle with laser sights.

      • Dave Hicks December 5, 2015, 12:06 pm

        That would be so neat.,but until those are available , I’ll stick to my .45.

      • Nick Bruns December 5, 2015, 1:47 pm

        The Terminator- “Plasma rifle in the 40 watt range”

        Gun store clerk- “Hey pal…only what ya see”

  • Ian December 4, 2015, 5:22 am

    Where can I find details about the 1911s for sale?

    • Thomas Gaffey December 4, 2015, 7:21 am

      go to CMP’s website and sign up for their email list, the 1911’s are probably at the US Army small arms depot in Anniston Ala. when I was there in March for the Garand class they told us they were working on the legislation

  • JUAN RAMIREZ December 4, 2015, 3:59 am

    Good for collectors, too much trouble for me; I like 9 mm pistols, they are easy to handle and cheaper

  • Willy December 4, 2015, 3:36 am

    Mark Johnson brushed you off? Say it isn’t so! I’m shocked! A lot of people didn’t have a good word to say about Orest, now they wish he was still running the CMP. I hope your enjoying life Orest, we miss you and Thank You for the great work you did at the CMP. And NO, I don’t belong to the GCA……. God NO!

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