Civilian Marksmanship Program: ‘86,000 M1s Coming Back to Army in the Future’

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Ah, this is the type of news article that’s going to piss a lot of people off because of the dearth of specifics on when exactly the shoe will drop.  So, my apologies in advance.

But yes, I know, I desperately want one too — we all want one before they’re all sold out. Anyways, here’s the skinny, which basically boils down to one unhelpful sentence.

“There are 86,000 or so M1s hopefully coming back to the Army. We hope to see them in the future,” Mark Johnson, Chief Operating Officer of the Civilian Marksmanship Program, told several gun blogs.

It was confirmed by Steve Cooper, CMP North General Manager & Marketing Manager, who told GunsAmerica via email, “We are patiently waiting! Obviously we would be very happy to receive more rifles!”

Great! What are we supposed to do with that information? Check the CMP website every day until the guns suddenly appear?

Maybe.  LOL.

Don’t fret, though. GunsAmerica will keep you posted and let you know as soon as those guns (rumored to be in the hands of the Philippine government) come back home to U.S. soil.  Remember, it was Barry Obama who was blocking these guns from being repatriated.  But currently there is a new sheriff in 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., one who’s actually 2A friendly, so it should happen sooner rather than later.  Hopefully, POTUS Trump can deliver.

In the meantime, the one main takeaway from this article is that NOW is the time to familiarize yourself with the CMP purchasing process. Yes, folks, buying Garands from the government is a “process.” Don’t dawdle on getting your ducks in a row.

To learn more on how to but one, make sure you check out Paul’s past articles:

About the CMP

The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is a national organization dedicated to training and educating U. S. citizens in responsible uses of firearms and airguns through gun safety training, marksmanship training and competitions. The CMP is a federally chartered 501(c)(3) corporation that places its highest priority on serving youth through gun safety and marksmanship activities that encourage personal growth and build life skills. Links on this page will lead you to more detailed information about the CMP and its programs.

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  • Jayj April 22, 2017, 12:47 am

    In case somebody hasn’t checked lately, the CMP is out of just about all original condition (if there really IS such a thing) M1’s. BUT…
    They DO have a fully refurbished M1, with a new American Walnut stock and a new barrel. So if you are not worried about collectibility and just want an M1 that both looks and shoots great, this is the way to go.
    The cost? $813. to your door.
    Cheap? definitely not, but, considering the market, for what you get, it’s a bargain.

    I was fortunate enough to buy a service grade I think it was, for $600-something when they were still available. I don’t understand it but, by the wear tags and every other identifier I could see, it was the equal of the next higher grade. I love it. I am a smallish sort of guy and can see how that would be a hand full for smaller servicemen like Audie Murphy. But that size and it’s weight & mass along with the own loaded M2 ammo makes it a relatively mild and very controllable rifle to shoot compared to European full power 7.92 (8mm).

  • fritz bousigschouer April 15, 2017, 3:29 pm

    the biggest problem is the price. I say 99% these guns will be priced to high so the main goal is complete missed, to give every us citizen the chance to own such a gun at a affordable price for practice shooting with it. same is for the ammo they resell. – COMPLETE FAIL –

  • Kb31416 April 15, 2017, 12:04 pm

    The unfortunate thing about the CMP compared to their predecessor the DCM is that their pricing has become so high that they no longer serve their mission of promoting rifle practice. The DCM subsidized the sport by supplying low priced rifles and ammunition that removed a portion of the cost obstacle to competition. The CMP now charges higher than market prices for most things, probably to support their new marksmanship palace in Talladega.
    I have heard of the glory days of the DCM when they actually issued ammunition to clubs and competitors. Now, in the recent past when ammo and even reloading components were not available, competitors are expected to pay $1/round when it takes about 2000 rounds per year to compete effectively. Those days may be gone, but they should return.

  • Mike Price April 14, 2017, 2:49 pm

    Inland will probably start building one and then there will be M1’s all over the place. Brand new too, not rebuild.

  • Bob April 14, 2017, 11:28 am

    As a 27yr still activeduty veteran, owner of a firearm store and a gun smith, none of these decisions has anything to do with what is the best weapon system, it is all about the GOV contracts and the repair parts and maintance is where the big money is. cleaning rods and scraping damages metal, ask any actual distance trained trigger puller. Most countries learned decades ago to issue their military a firearm in basic and that was theirs untill they left. guess what they took good care of their weapon, and they last decades with minimal issues. Also designing a system that requires less maintance and repair doesn’t make as much money. Any good gunsmith could make a battle rifle that requires minimal cleaning, is modular (change out upper) and uses common issues parts for a 1/4 of what the GOV currently pays.

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    • Veteran Gunsmith at Large April 14, 2017, 1:25 pm

      I agree with you in many aspects, but a lot of imported former battlefield issue weapons that have seen some use have bore and muzzle issues from improper cleaning methods, but not always the individual soldier’s fault. First, they issue jointed steel rod cleaning kits with steel patch tips and bore brushes that are steel core with brass or bronze bristles, and if used improperly cause lots of damage. When I was on active duty in 1972, I saw lots of m16A1 rifles cleaned like they were rodding out a sewer pipe with the steel cleaning rods being pumped in and out of the bore from the muzzle end. Even then, I knew to push the rod from the chamber end of the barrel and one push through, then unscrew the tip and gently withdraw the rod before the next stroke. I even saw the supply NCO putting entire uppers into a horizontally cut half barrel of kerosene, and they put a cleaning rod in the chuck of an electric drill and ran it in and out of the barrel -from the flash suppressor to the chamber – multiple strokes and that was how they passed their end of the cycle inspection. That is just asking for trouble and excessive muzzle erosion, and these weapons were treated this way every 8 weeks coinciding with basic training cycles. God only knows how many M16 barrels were trashed and turned into tent pegs this way. I can also bet this was not how they were trained to clean these weapons, but I saw this done and I would be willing to bet this was not an isolated incident.

      If you look at very many other nation’s surplus rifles you will see many have had the muzzle bored out some distance from the original crown to fix damaged and worn out rifling without cutting the barrel off and recrowning it. I’ve seen Mosin-Nagants, Lee Enfields, Mausers and other bolt action battle rifles treated this way. It works to a marginal degree, but it’s not as good as cutting and recrowning because it is difficult to bore out the muzzle uniformly and parallel to the bore axis. You will see people doing this muzzle boring treatment to retain the original bore, although it probably ruins the collector value, and just to maintain the original as issued appearance of the rifle. You and I know that it would be virtually impossible to fire enough rounds through a bolt action to appreciably wear out the muzzle and it is more likely that throat erosion would be the predominate type of damage if firing was the cause of bore/rifling damage.

      I’ve always thought that the pull through was a better means to clean the bore of a rifle, but it seems the cleaning rod is a hold over from muzzle loading rifles and their ram rod serving double duty as a loading tool and a cleaning implement. That was OK for black powder weapons with smooth bores like muskets, where accuracy was not expected to be great. Since the advent of rifled bores, these ram rods were still issued as a means of both tasks, and it was not until breech loading arms came to the fore that the ram rod was no longer essential. At that time the pull through should have become the primary accessory for cleaning, but nearly every combat rifle issued had a ram rod like cleaning rod issued with it.

      I am not certain who came up with the idea but the earliest example of a pull through bore cleaning kit that I can think of was the 1898 Mauser, but even then they used a metal chain instead of a textile based solution. That should have made steel rods obsolete, but there are still standard issue cleaning kits with rods. It should be time to retire the metal cleaning rod because they create more problems than they solve.

      • Jay April 22, 2017, 12:03 am

        The bolt guns of Europe al had steel cleaning rods yes. But the muzzle guide was also a standard piece of issue gear. Since it took two or three sections to make one cleaning rod, SOMEone at least among the group should still have had one. By the same token, another rod section or two would allow for cleaning from the chamber end.

        The fact that too many soldiers dispensed with the muzzle guides and NCOs apparently didn’t enforce their use is not the fault of the designers.

  • David April 14, 2017, 10:21 am

    Oh great now I am drooling and going to be walking trying to hide the b@ner I have. This is a rifle that I have wanted since I was a kid. Well an M1 and an M14. Can not think of a rifle in my own opinion that served it’s country better. The revolver may have won the west but this here M1 won Europe. It is a beautiful weapon. Now just have to convince the wife that I need just one more rifle. Been saying that though after she buys me a new one. Think this one will be an easy sale. Thanks for letting us all know.

  • Mike Watkins April 14, 2017, 10:12 am

    “Trump has already back-pedaled on every promise?”

    You are obviously a blithering libidiot. We real conservatives are thrilled President Trump has kept perhaps the most important promise of all. Appointing Supreme Court Justice Goresuch.

    Go find some web comment site more amenable to your twisted bent. WaPo perhaps

  • joe April 14, 2017, 9:05 am

    Don’t get your hopes up – Trump has already back pedaled on every other campaign promise. He’s owned.

    • VieteranGunsmith7299 April 14, 2017, 11:54 am

      Joe, the President is doing what all successful commanders have done throughout history; outflank and overcome. When conditions on the field change, tactics should respond to those changes. Case in point – WWI Europe – only after losing millions to German machine gun fire did British and French commanding generals decide they made the wrong choice by ordering full frontal direct assaults on the German lines. This is what you are expecting from Trump? He’s able to spot failure and respond in order to preserve his ability to fight instead of watching from the rear as millions are mowed down like blades of grass before him. Trump isn’t about to commit to that kind of stupidity by being locked into rigid ideology, so if that is how you think a man in his position should do the job I feel sorry for you.

      I see him making adjustments to the plan, but the main objectives remain clear. He considers the overall scope of the problem from his perspective and that of his team, and after he considers the alternatives he takes action. We saw this with the recent Syrian use of chemical weapons, unlike his predecessors he does not prevaricate, he thinks and after brief analysis he then strikes with his best option.

      We, the general public, are not given the details and intel he receives daily, and the reason for that is we don’t have the responsibility to personally take action for the people as a whole. We also don’t need 350,000,000 armchair generals dictating responses to the world’s bad actors – that is why we elected a President in the first place.

      Your judgment is premature considering the circumstances thus far. He’s had his executive orders challenged in the courts and activist judges the left has shopped for have issued court orders to tie his hands, world events like the Syrian, Afghan and North Korean situations have intervened in his course – and we have seen him take action within hours which is more swiftly than any administration in the past 70 plus years.

      He remains our best weapon against the liberal’s headlong plunge into madness and chaos to force the hard left’s agenda via the former administration’s taking a wrecking ball to the Constitution, the courts and the legislative bodies of the federal government, as well as the huge numbers of executive orders Obama signed in his 8 years in office – up to the last hours of his tenure, which Trump has been busy undoing since the inauguration ceremony ended.

      He has gotten a remarkable amount of things accomplished in less than 100 days in spite of the best efforts of the sedition and rebellion that has been thrown his way by the resist movement and all the other insurrectionists who simply cannot accept the fact that their puppet leader lost the election in spite of their best efforts to derail him at every opportunity.

      The liberal run media has become absolutely psychotic in their ridiculous assessment and proclamations… Lawrence O’Donnel called 59 Tomahawk E model cruise missiles harmless. That is 59,000 pounds of high explosives delivered on target by GPS guided missiles that all struck the target within 2 minutes (nearly simultaneously despite it taking 30 minutes to launch them all from two guided missile cruisers), and MSNBC’s biggest fool tries to make it a political move and minimize the impact of that action as convenient for the President. There are so many things wrong with idiot Larry’s comments that there is not enough room on the internet to outline them all.

      So give the President the benefit of the doubt, Joe. The democrats are fighting him every step of the way, and he is not substantially altering course or breaking promises. He has nearly four years to go, and we should give him the chance he deserves as POTUS to fix the massive amount of garbage the democrats littered our country and the world with in the last several decades. It took them 100 years to do what they’ve done, and it will take time to undo it all, but Trump is working hard to see it gets done. Will he manage to restore us to a Constitutional Republic instead of an administrative bureaucracy? Not all by himself, and not in 4 years, but if we keep the democrats out of the White House and Congress as well as state and local government offices we will have a chance.

      Don’t abandon what we have all worked hard to achieve. Trump hasn’t abandoned us, and we should stand by him as well.
      He’s also the most pro-Second Amendment president we have ever had, so just give this some time to take it’s course. At least he isn’t trying to end the CMP like Obama and Willie did. There were thousands of historic arms destroyed and lost forever because the Clintons and Obamas wanted them gone. Obama also did as much as he could to get rid of the 1911’s the Army wanted to release to the CMP, and they are still tied up in regulatory measures that are holding them back from distribution.

      If you want to be angry at someone, let Obama and the Clintons be those people – they did more to stop our Second Amendment rights than anyone else. Trump has actually done things in line with preserving our rights.

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      • Sambalam April 14, 2017, 3:07 pm

        Trump is an idiot and a fraud. If you think everyone that subscribes to this site loves this guy, your sites are waaaaay off.

        • Steven April 15, 2017, 8:34 am

          Would you rather have Hitlary in office?

      • Joe April 15, 2017, 4:21 am

        @ VieteranGunsmith7299
        Well said, I applaud your thoughtful and correct evaluation !!

      • Rogue April 18, 2017, 12:45 pm

        Yea, Trump is a genius! Not. The M1 is a great rifle and very accurate for a military 30 cal semiauto. However I believe the M14 that replaced it was superior in general as a weapon. The 308 round is very adequate and cheaper to buy and reload than the 06 round of the Garand. Both are a bit heavy for hunting but either are capable but not all that practical and I know of but few that hunt with either. So I can’t get too excited about the prospect as I owned one at one time and it was a good gun but as a practical person don’t feel the need to own one again.

  • Charles Kimberl April 14, 2017, 8:23 am

    Where are the million M1’s that S. Korea has that Oshitbag was blocking from coming back to the U.S.?

    • RayJN April 14, 2017, 3:12 pm

      I also heard South Korea had 1 million M1’s many never used, that they wanted to give back.

  • Gail Thomas April 14, 2017, 8:17 am

    I want one of these rifles to go with my collection

  • Luke April 14, 2017, 7:38 am

    Last I heard millions of these were dumped overboard somewhere in the Pacific?

  • Jon Mickley April 14, 2017, 7:35 am

    Why is everybody so hot and bothered by the way CMP provides M1s? I have one I got there several years ago. Went to the store in Anniston, filled out the paperwork, was told it would be “about six months” and left. A week later it shows up at my doorstep. I visit there on a twice a year because I go to Talladega Superspeedway for the NASCAR races twice a year. I also go to the state of the art CMP range just up the road a few miles too. Great place to buy guns, greater place to shoot.
    I swear, some people would complain if you hung them with a new rope! Get over it….enjoy what is available!

    Other than that, I have NO opinion on the matter!

    • David April 14, 2017, 10:25 am

      Lucky SOB. I’m in Idaho and there isn’t one close buy. Good price? Good shape? I know they have different scales of conditions but there crap condition could be perfect condition for me.

  • Mitch Spence April 14, 2017, 7:18 am

    In order to have your writing dismissed out of hand as disgusting tripe, use the word, piss in your articles. No wonder people look down on gun folk.

    • Mike Veilleux April 14, 2017, 8:28 am

      Come again? What are you referring to?

    • Dave M April 14, 2017, 9:28 am

      Obviously you are unfamiliar with the use of this terminology; it is not considered profanity nor does it refer to a bodily function as used here.

    • Rouge1 April 14, 2017, 10:39 am

      Typical whinner.

  • Joe April 14, 2017, 5:28 am

    Yeah, I live to jump through the CMP hoops… NOT !!

  • Dr. Strangelove April 14, 2017, 4:39 am

    Call me when the M1 carbines arrive.

  • Ken April 14, 2017, 3:52 am

    *edit* “good guesses”

  • Ken April 14, 2017, 3:51 am

    Are these the rifles from Korea that Obama blocked, or is this a different source? Any god guesses?

    • Joe April 14, 2017, 7:36 am

      This comment taken from the article might shine a light on your question.
      “Don’t fret, though. GunsAmerica will keep you posted and let you know as soon as those guns (rumored to be in the hands of the Philippine government) come back home to U.S. soil.”

  • Will Drider April 11, 2017, 11:07 am

    Were still waiting for the 1911s that are supposedly going to CMP and those are in Country! Not holding my breath for either one. CMP also said the Starting price (low grade shooter) is estimated at $1K!

    • DixieTriggerMan April 14, 2017, 10:00 am

      The CMP isn’t the holdup on releasing the 1911s for sale, it’s the Secretary of the Army. To quote Mark Johnson, CMP’s Chief Operating Officer as posted on their website, “The CMP is NOT authorized to receive or disburse the 1911s at this point. We have not yet received the approval required from the Secretary of the Army by the legislation.”
      Because these pistols are authentic U.S. issue, their appeal will mostly be as collector items, not as bargain basement shooters, so CMP’s pricing will reflect that fact. It’s nothing more than the marketplace at work; consumer demand will drive the pricing. If you want an inexpensive 1911 to shoot, take a good look at some of the commercial GI configuration 1911s that are out there. Armscor/Rock Island Armory and Iver Johnson guns come to mind. They are well made and I see them every day NIB selling in the $450-$500 price range.

      • Nope April 24, 2017, 10:15 pm

        Market price does not factor in to the operations of a nonprofit. They need to cover expenses and maintain a cash reserve, but there is no incentive to generate dividend payments to stakeholders. The role of a typical business is to maximize profits. A nonprofit is meant to achieve the mission statement. Profits are needed to do that, but only enough to maintain operations. Charging collector prices is counter to the role of the CMP. There is no marksmanship at play if the pistol sits on a shelf. They can go ahead and pay income taxes, with quarterly filings, if they’re seeking the highest prices the market will bear.

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