ATF Shuts Down ‘Solvent Trap’ Manufacturer SD Tactical

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A titanium solvent trap kit. These are incomplete kits that need to be registered and machined before they can function as suppressors. (Photo: AR15News.com)

The ATF put a stop to SD Tactical’s “solvent trap” business. A solvent trap is a catch-all term for a parts kit for building a suppressor. These are similar to 80-percent firearm receivers.

Unfortunately for SD Tactical, the ATF does not distinguish between incomplete and complete suppressors. Unlike 80 percent firearms, which can be bought and sold without a background check because they are non-functional, solvent traps may be considered no different than complete, working, unregistered silencers.

Purchasing a suppressor today is complicated and expensive even where they are permitted. The idea behind solvent traps is to make a low-cost parts kit for home gunsmiths to produce their own suppressors. These need to be manufactured in accordance with NFA regulations. Builders also like these kits because they are faster to process than complete suppressors.

By itself, a solvent trap is basically a barrel plug. They are called solvent traps because if you install one on a firearm for cleaning they will catch any solvents and debris that drips out of the muzzle. But because they also contain suppressor parts, selling them or possessing them without complying with the rules of the NFA can break the law.

“Today they shut us down,” said SD Tactical on Facebook. “The ATF shut down our business of selling solvent traps. This is 99 percent of our income. [The ATF] put three veterans, my wife and son out of work. They said I can’t sell freeze plugs. NAPA can’t even sell them to us because they are a suppressor part.”

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Manufacturers have produced a handful of different solvent trap designs. SD Tactical’s trap uses common auto parts as baffle components. These need to be pressed and machined before they work as suppressor components, but because they are sold as suppressor parts they still count according to the ATF.

“[The ATF] said tubes and freeze plugs are suppressor parts,” said SD Tactical. “Would that mean if you have a shotgun and a hacksaw you have a sawed off shotgun? If you own a AR isn’t that a potential SBR?”

Previously the ATF had OKed SD Tactical’s solvent trap kits since they don’t work out of the box. The company hopes this change of opinion will make waves nationally, and advance the Hearing Protection Act.

If passed, the Hearing Protection Act will remove suppressors from the list of NFA-regulated products. The bill is gaining momentum as suppressors become more popular nationwide.

Even the Center for Disease control is for suppressor use. According to a recent CDC study, “The only potentially effective noise control method to reduce students’ or instructors’ noise exposure from gunfire is through the use of noise suppressors that can be attached to the end of the gun barrel. However, some states do not permit civilians to use suppressors on firearms.”

If the bill passes these kits will become an extremely popular option for DIY builders. For now, SD Tactical’s business hangs in the balance.

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  • Bob March 31, 2017, 3:42 pm

    Simply put none of these guys did anything wrong. Those parts they were selling were all sold as solvent traps. Now you could make the arguement that these could be used to make silencers. And in fact I would guess that most of them were to make silencers.

    The problem here is that making a silencer is not illegal. You can legally make a silencer if you fill the paperwork and give away 200$ for it.

    But of course it’s too difficult for the ATF to go investigate everyone who buys a solvent trap and finding out if they are converting it to a silencer without the tax stamp. So they go after the sellers instead. The sellers have not done anything illegal.

    The BATF is going after the sellers for two reasons:
    – They are anti-gun traitors.
    – They are too lazy to do the actual food work of catching those who did break the law.

    Now having said all that, you could also argue that the only law you need is the 2A. If tgat’s what you think, I owe you a beer, brother.

  • John February 11, 2017, 9:26 am

    Dear editor, solvent traps do not contain suppresor parts and you can not shoot through them. For it to be used as a silencer, it needs to be MOFIFIED by drilling holes and making baffles. Just as people can buy napa oil filters and use them as silencers, they can by freeze plugs, solvent traps or pipes. You can only modify and assemble these parts after a approved form 1 from ATF. This is no different than ATF saying you have short barrel shotgun because you can cut the barrel of your shotgun any time. This is not only illogical but dengerous. This is the aspect you should be covering not bs like they contain silencer parts.

  • elgavilansegoviano February 6, 2017, 12:09 pm

    …….Time to put a Stop to the ATF Gestapo, and put them out of Business!!…….

  • JOE M February 4, 2017, 11:34 am

    “You”ll shoot your eye out with that suppressor.” Can you hear me now ?

  • ejharb February 4, 2017, 6:27 am

    In some cases it’s unwise to have any loose lawn mower mufflers sitting around

  • AsgardBeast February 3, 2017, 11:39 pm

    With this logic the ATF will need a LOT more agents to shutdown down almost every manufacture on the planet, considering the “parts” for a “suppressor” can be easily obtained from a plethora of places. Guess nobody can make pillows or 2-Liter bottles anymore either. This is simple egotistical tyranny from a corrupt organization that was implemented purely for selective enforcement of rights violating regulation. Another example of progressive thinking exposing itself for the insanity that it is, and why it needs to be eliminated. The more ludicrous they behave, the more they prove themselves traitors, hypocrites, and criminals. Handing us ever more proof as to why their erroneous ideals are destined to crumble. It’s almost like the trash trying to take itself to the curb. This is a prime example as to why we need to ensure the passage of the Hearing Protection Act. Personally I’m not that interested in suppressors in the first place, but anything that dissolves oppressive laws that are used for nefarious purposes, is a move in the right direction.

  • Alan February 3, 2017, 5:21 pm

    Uh, anyone can buy or sell freeze plugs. Just because a dumbass ATF agent says so, doesn’t make it true.
    ATF agents have been proven wrong on the law MANY times.

    • Pirate Dave February 4, 2017, 12:06 am

      Amen to that brother, I mean c’mon now. But, we still have to be in the fight mainly because of, “hold over’s”,trying to keep there jobs. Always try to maintain the lowest possible profile. NRA and gun owners are the last hope,Thank God Hillary, and her band of jack ass’s are out of the picture. Remember our Fallen and Wounded Troops and the Veterans. We will never forget you to our dying breath, our Oath is maintained. .

    • David February 13, 2017, 7:37 pm

      Unfortunately, just as often an innocent gun owners has gone away to prison because of ATF idiots who bend the meaning of the law or even outright lie about it in court….

  • Chuck February 3, 2017, 4:09 pm

    Hopefully this will also add fuel to the fire for shutting down the BATF. The FBI would do a much better job than this corrupt bunch.

  • KIT MADDOX February 3, 2017, 2:43 pm

    Who’s the anti gun prick who wrote this article?
    Sounds like you need to go work for Soros

    • Kivaari February 3, 2017, 4:32 pm

      Why do you call them an anti-gun prick, when they are just telling it like it is. The solvent trap scam is designed to circumvent the law. Pure facts. The maker IS guilty of conspiracy to violate the NFA. Your bitch should be against the law, not the author.

      • Gerry February 3, 2017, 10:26 pm

        U guys that have jobs doing these articles always seem to side with the government always gotta make it look correct? Yep sure enough politically correct probably a liberal did you cry a lot of Tears when Hillary lost? People are going to lose their jobs because they were selling stupid little parts I guess we should outlaw hacksaws because they could be used to make sawed-off shotguns that’s how stupid this article was. And the person that wrote it sounded like he was taking a government side. Gerry

    • Arnold Arnold February 3, 2017, 5:04 pm

      WWWHHHhhhaaaaaattttttttt????? Read this article three times to figure out WTF ur talk’n ’bout Kit…..
      The ATF / BATF wrote this article……. Max Slowik is just the messenger… Mr. Kit Maddox seems to be work’n for Soros spreading FAKE NEWS!…… IMHO

    • R smith February 3, 2017, 10:32 pm

      Sounds like the author already works for that fat ass piece of shit

    • loupgarous February 4, 2017, 1:24 pm

      Don’t shoot the messenger. The author told the story. Actually, the article, if anything, slanted slightly toward SD Tactical, letting its owner go on about the mother, son, friends out of work when the guy’s business (by his own admission) was 99% kits to make suppressors. Just because his understanding of the law was deficient didn’t give him a license to break it.

      That doesn’t mean I like what the BATFE is able to do to otherwise law-abiding citizens when the former President pardons those actual felons for possessing or purchasing firearms – showing he’d much rather see law-abiding people disarmed and doesn’t want felons who break the law banning them from having firearms to serve all their time. But we citizens elected the chumps who made it so in the past. Now we get a chance to change the law, and on suppressors, the law may well be changed.

      • Ben February 6, 2017, 2:12 pm

        I just want to point out that the mindset of “well, it’s the *law*” is a fallacy in the USA. The entire system was designed so that if you (as “the people”) felt a “law” or “regulation” was out of line you could ignore it with impunity. And when the thugs go to toss you in jail the jury says “no, he didn’t break any laws we recognize. Not guilty”. We should be using Jury nullification on drug possession cases and firearms infractions (like this, or SBR, or CCW in the wrong state, or any victimless crime of “regulation”) every single time. Jury Nullification should be freaking taught in school to people. It’s insane that the one group/party who crys so much about the “power of the people” or the “tyranny of the majority” isnt the party who is constantly screaming for jury nullification. The truth is they want it gone more then the government hawks do. The liberals know they’re mindset and social ideas only survive with the power of the government to force them on everyone else, so JN is terrible to them.

      • David February 13, 2017, 7:44 pm

        My understanding of the situation is more “morons at ATF claim that parts that can be used to make suppressors are suppressors.” Unlike a full auto trigger group that can only be used to turn a semiautomatic firearm into a full-time firearm, these are actual automotive and hardware store common items which, as pointed out above, is the same as saying a pop bottle and duct tape are a supressor: patently absurd!!!

  • Fred Ziffle February 3, 2017, 1:19 pm

    More ridiculous edicts from a ridiculous agency, led and managed by liberal bureaucrats. Typically ATF leadership is utterly misinformed, driven by an over-inflated sense of importance, and staffed with yes-men lemmings who twist, contort, and distort any and all information (factual or otherwise) to support their boss’s agenda. Trump will eventually clean house at this infested agency, but in the meantime we can expect more rank stupidity.

    • deanbob February 3, 2017, 1:37 pm

      I suspect that many(most?) of the BATF employees have never been to a gun safety class nor range.

    • james blackburn February 3, 2017, 11:19 pm

      people these days are sooo stupid, the rest of us voted for Mr Trump 🙂

  • GAILM February 3, 2017, 12:44 pm

    Makes you wonder who works and runs the ATF? Hopefully our Commander and Chief TRUMP will deal with this assault on the CONSTITUTION.

    • Kivaari February 3, 2017, 4:34 pm

      It takes congress to repeal this tax law.

  • Bmiller February 3, 2017, 11:28 am

    I hope Gorsuch gets appointed and Trump finally wipes the the suppressor off the NFA list. Really sorry to see the ATF do this to SD Tactical too. They didn’t deserve to be persecuted over a such a flawed antiquated law.

    • Kivaari February 3, 2017, 4:36 pm

      OH BS. They knew they were pushing the limits of the law. Anyone of us that built such a device would be subject to arrest. “Solvent trap” my ass, it’s a suppressor parts kit. Don’t do it until the law is changed. With luck the law will be repealed this year. When it is I’ll go buy a suppressor.

  • Mark February 3, 2017, 11:11 am

    They better regulate oil filters. They make great gun mufflers. Oh maybe car mufflers too. I’m sure they could be modified to quit a 50 cal.

    • Michael Smith February 3, 2017, 11:36 am

      They do! The Econo Can must be used with a registered ATF oil filter, in order to legally use it with the adapter.

      • Kivaari February 3, 2017, 4:37 pm

        The adapter is the registered part.

  • None February 3, 2017, 8:33 am

    The problem is almost none of those will be registered. It’s not a cheaper alternative when you can buy .22 silencers for $100 This is just a way to skirt the laws and make an unregistered silencer.

    • GARY MARTIN February 3, 2017, 11:20 am

      And just HOW is this a PROBLEM? This happens to be a way to save your hearing and lots of money IMO.

      • loupgarous February 4, 2017, 1:30 pm

        The same thinking behind eight years of Obama breaking the law – it’s ok to do, if you can write a good excuse for it. And now we’re up to our ass in illegal aliens.

        I’m for us all obeying the law. The Hearing Protection Act’s up for a vote and looks to pass. Then this guy can knock out all the kits to make “suppressors” out of flashlights and freeze plugs he wants – and he’ll be competing with companies who make the real thing. I’m sure he’ll complain about that, too.

    • Johnny February 3, 2017, 3:40 pm

      That’s a huge assumption on your part claiming almost none of these will be registered. Considering the amount that ARE being registered on a regular basis by DIY people.

      • loupgarous February 4, 2017, 1:35 pm

        I’ve seen YouTube videos by solvent trap man and others which cleverly skirt the idea that you’re in business to make suppressors once you get the parts together, urging the poor saps who buy his kits to file NFA paperwork,et cetera, so forth. And people watching this may follow the law or may not.

        I wonder if BATFE is going after this guy’s marketing department, YouTube. I’ve told YouTube that by giving this guy a place to sell his goods, they’re on the hook for whatever laws he breaks. No response at all. I guess when you’re part of Google, Big Government decides you CAN break the law.

  • Greg February 3, 2017, 6:24 am

    Regulating suppressor is stupid anyway. They don’t “silence” guns. Just make the subsonic ones more tolerable for people around you. In Europe they are encouraged and welcomed as being courteous to your neighbors and others at the range.

    • Nobody February 3, 2017, 8:36 am

      The problem is almost none of those will be registered. It’s not a cheaper alternative when you can buy .22 silencers for $100 This is just a way to skirt the laws and make an unregistered silencer. In Europe there are a lot more strict gun control laws you need to register all your firearms sort of like the NFA.

    • Nobody February 3, 2017, 8:37 am

      The problem is almost none of those will be registered. It’s not a cheaper alternative when you can buy .22 silencers for $100 This is just a way to skirt the laws and make an unregistered silencer. In Europe there are a lot more strict gun control laws you need to register all your firearms sort of like the NFA.

      • George February 3, 2017, 11:40 am

        Thats not true, Europe is a large place with many different countries and laws within those countries. Get a clue, honest hard working gun owners with a registered or unregistered silencer does not matter, if they are legal under the law. Pass the law, make suppressors legal.

    • None February 3, 2017, 8:45 am

      The problem is almost none of those will be registered. This is just a way to skirt laws and get an illegal unregistered silencer. This isn’t a cheaper option when .22 silencers are on the market for $100 In Europe you can’t just buy a silencer you need a weapons permit, all their guns are registered like the NFA.

    • Ronald Wright February 3, 2017, 11:04 am

      But you expect the ATF to have some COMMON SENSE. NOT going to happen. They are about as dumb as a box of rocks! You just can’t fix STUPID. Apparently they are part of the anti-gun liberal DumboCrats trying to steal our 2nd Amendment.

      • George February 3, 2017, 11:42 am

        Once the government has power over something, its very rare they give that power back to the people. Governments make horrible neighbors.

  • Oni February 3, 2017, 5:39 am

    Uh oh! I guess we better throw away any plastic bottles, baby bottle nipples, pvc pipe, steel wool, and window screen too! They are all suppressor parts just waiting to meet each other in a diabolical concoction of mass destruction and mayhem!

    • Eric February 3, 2017, 11:18 am

      Uh oh! I guess no one can sell or possess paper towels (with roll) and duct tape.
      Shut this stupid agency down! The NFA was unconstitutional from the start and they manufactured court consent by using a multiple time felon who would not dare show up to court to claim that a short barrel shotgun has military uses. Apparently the judge (in the Miller case 1939) was never in the military :-0)

      • David February 13, 2017, 7:50 pm

        Actually he was dead by the time it got to the Supreme Court, his lawyer figured he wasn’t getting paid anymore so why continue the fight and the lawyer chose not to show…. kind of hard for the defendant to show when he was dead!

  • sandman February 3, 2017, 5:36 am

    don’t wast your money on one of these “almost a can”–THEY DONT WORK.
    HERE IN IDAHO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS BUILD ONE, HAVE IT ENGRAVED “MADE IN IDAHO” AND BY IDAHO LAW ANY CITIZEN CAN BUILD/OWN AND POSSES A SILENCER. That being said you can not take it out of state for any reason. The governor got a law passed stating that a resident of Idaho can do this.
    But again–these DIY cans are not worth a plugged nickel.

    • Infidel7.62 February 3, 2017, 7:52 am

      3 people in Kansas tried that and they are now in the can after a federal judge ruled federal law overrules state law. We might not agree but we are stuck with it. Save your money, work with your rep toward getting the hearing protection act passed, then buy a real suppressor. It will be lighter, more quiet, safer, and longer lasting.

    • Infidel7.62 February 3, 2017, 9:19 am

      3 people in Kansas are now in the can thanks to this advice. A federal judge riled that federal law overrules state law. We may not agree with the decision but we have to live with it for now. A better solution is to save your money and work with your reps to get the hearing protection act passed. Once the law is in effect ou can buy a better, quieter, lighter, safer, and longer lasting suppressor.

    • Gene Young February 3, 2017, 9:36 am

      You have no idea what you are taking about. They work far better than the HIGH DOLLAR ones if built right. A person can build one for way under a $100.00 dollars that out performs the so called best on the market. Just look at YouTube videos of the fuel filter ones.

    • GARY MARTIN February 3, 2017, 11:25 am

      You’re not bad at passing along fake news or bad information Sandman. They passed the same law(s) in KS and guess what; AFT nabbed the first maker and he’s now in jail, business shut down, ect. Get the picture! BTW, you can’t take ANY silencer out of state without proper permits. I’ve seen a DIY can used and it works just like my $900 can.

  • jack February 3, 2017, 5:11 am

    Interesting as here is a letter to another company from ATF on this “solvent trap” tool. It appears we are not getting the whole story again.

    Ms. Kirchner:

    This is in response to your recent email to the Firearms Industry programs Branch (FIPB) Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) seeking information on solvent Traps. Specifically you ask about the laws and regulations associated with them if possession of unmodified solvent traps is a violation of the National Firearms Act and if they may be used to legally manufacture firearms silencers.

    As way of background:

    The Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA), 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(3), states that the term “firearm” means—

    “…(A) any weapon (including a starter gun), which will, or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer.”

    In addition, the GCA, 18 U.S.C. Section 921(a)(24), defines both “firearm silencer” and “firearm muffler” as follows:

    “…any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for use in assembling or

    fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, and any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.”

    Finally, the NFA, 26 U.S.C. Section 5845(a), defines “firearm” to include:

    “…(7) any silencer (as defined in section 921 of title 18, United States Code)….”

    The stated intent of a solvent trap is to catch and trap gun cleaning solvent during bore cleaning operations commonly performed on firearms. Solvent traps do attach to the muzzle of a firearm but do not have any design features intended to allow a bullet to pass through them. Since as originally manufactured they are not intended to silence, muffle or diminish the report of a portable firearm they are not silencers as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(24) and thus also are not firearms as defined in 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(3) or 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(7).

    However, if the solvent trapped was redesigned or utilized to assemble a device for silencing, muffling or diminishing the report of a portable firearm or if intent was demonstrated to use the device for silencing, muffling or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, the solvent trap would be classified as a “firearm silencer” as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(24) and as a “firearm” as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3)(C) and 26 U.S.C. § 5845(a)(7).

    In order for an individual to lawfully manufacture a firearm silencer utilizing a solvent trap an ATF NFA Form 1 along with pictures and fingerprints must be submitted and approved and a $200.00 making tax must be paid prior to building the silencer and/or performing any modifications to the solvent trap intended to modify or convert it into a firearm silencer.

    We must stress that merely filing the Form 1 does not give an individual the right to make the silencer. The individual must wait until the approved Form 1 is returned to them by the ATF NFA Branch before making the firearm silencer.

    We thank you for your inquiry and trust that the foregoing has been responsive.

    Michael S Knapp
    Program Manager
    Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
    Firearms and Explosives Industry Division

    • Infidel7.62 February 3, 2017, 7:55 am

      Don’t you just love that “intent”. In other words we now have thought police. If they think you are intending to break law, even if you do not break the law, you are guilty.

    • MarkPA February 3, 2017, 10:42 am

      Looks to me, from this ATF letter, that the Bureau is implicitly conceding that a vendor may market and sell a parts kit to make a silencer. From the picture accompanying this posting (which I assume does not represent the proposed product that prompted the response) it appears as though the product comes as close to the line as possible but doesn’t cross it. The “baffles” don’t have a hole; the consumer would have to convert the freeze plugs into baffles by making the bullet hole. The solvent catcher has an end-cap with no hole; the consumer would have to drill that hole. While the vendor is clearly marketing an “80% silencer”, it’s not yet a silencer; nor does any component constitute a “part” more-so than does a plastic soda bottle constitute a “part”. Looks to me as though the BATFE ought to deal with these vendors just as they do with manufacturers of 80% receivers/frames. Deal with the consumers who neglect to file for their tax stamps. (Naturally, I favor removing silencers from the NFA; and, in fact, I don’t agree with moving them to the GCA. They ought to be treated as any other accessory such as a holster or laser.)

    • Harold Bryan February 3, 2017, 2:11 pm

      A wise man who purchased anything from SD Tactical would get rid of their solvent kit completely as the ATF now has all of SD Tactical’s sales information. I.E. names addresses and what they bought from them. I would not be surprised if they start knocking on doors if they haven’t already. They are trying to show Trump they have a reason for being in business. Reality is they are an Unconstitutional Agency that makes up their own rules as they go along. If you piss them off they will do whatever they can to make you pay and you better be well off to afford the Legal Fees, Bail, etc. I hope to God that the Hearing Safecty Act passes. After my time in the service as an MP and 40 + years of Law Enforcement and shooting for fun and training, I have no hearing left at all in the highest 2 frequencies and the rest isn’t a lot better. In the service and L.E. you have no hearing protection because you must learn to “Hear the enemy”. Only God knows how many people are in the same condition and there is know way for me to tell how many rounds I have fired without ear protection. It’s easily in the thousands of rounds. When I was in, we had to qualify every quarter to be an M.P. That is with the M-16 and other weapons as well in Combat Training. The 12 gauge shotgun, Grenade launcher, .38 and 45, M-60 machine gun and that is all I can recall at the moment. It is not only you shooting either. It’s with 40 -50 other guys at the same time.

  • hey February 3, 2017, 4:54 am

    Forget the hearing protection act. A bill is in the works to abolish the BATF. The FBI and DEA can handle every case the BATF can without passing laws out of thin air by passing Congress. This should be on every pro amendment’s mind to take action on this bill and nothing less. I am tired of playing tug of war and hope to be on the offensive this time.

    • DIYinSTL February 3, 2017, 8:55 am

      Eliminating the BATFE and distributing its workload across the FBI and DEA does nothing to remove suppressors from the NFA, does nothing to repeal the Hughes Amendment, and certainly does not repeal the NFA. While eliminating BATE may expel a handful of bad actors within that organization, most of the faceless bureaucrats would merely report to a different bureau head.

  • Dustin Eward February 3, 2017, 3:39 am

    ATF has been posing as customers asking me strange, loaded questions try to frame me, too. HAven’t shut me down yet. Hope they bring an army if they do, cuz they’re going to need it.

    • trknrick February 3, 2017, 8:05 am

      Be careful, that’s inflammatory talk and could be construed as a threat. (But Madonna’s words weren’t…?)

    • another sucker February 3, 2017, 9:03 am

      Dustin,
      They use ‘informants'(it’s not ‘entrapment’ that way under Federal Law); some schmuck they OWN like a slave (IF they already AREN’T doing so, the ‘strange loaded questions are a BIG CLUE) because if they don’t get YOU, they get an employee, spouse, daughter, son, or customer and then use THEM against YOU. I’ll wager a thousand dollars that IF you are being approached at shows or shop and asked ‘inculpating questions, it’s just a MATTER OF TIME until an AUSA (Who Literally HATES Guns, Their owners and your ilk) determines, listening to audio recordings, (if you are asked those questions, the entire conversation is being recorded) that he/she has ‘enough’ to go before a grand jury and convince a group of people who’ve never owned a firearm, nor even KNOW anyone who’s ever owned a firearm, that YOU ARE SUPPLYING TERRORISTS with ‘whatever’. The sheeple vote to indict. HOW do YOU find out when this has all happened? When they mass on Your front porch at 0530 w/20 entry agents in full swat gear, f/a weapons drawn (pointed at your family’s heads) and a search warrant. Your life will never be the same afterward, and it doesn’t MATTER what you said on All those recordings. Unless you have $50k laying around that You can’t wait to give to an attorney to keep you out of Federal Prison, and $100k to get you found not guilty, so just SHUT UP already. Those of us (over 40,000 of US) who’ve been where you are right now would give some small pieces of advice that hopefully other readers will heed; IF you think you’re being investigated, they’re already so far up your colon they know about polyps your cousins have. They don’t have to prove you guilty in your eyes or opinion, just 12 people who were too stupid to get out of jury duty (and ideally also hate or are afraid of guns, gun owners, and people like you; trust me, there are more than you ever dreamed of, today who fit the bill, perfectly). Best advice…ask around, do your research, make an appointment and GO SEE the best FEDERAL criminal FIREARMS defense attorney close to you and tell them what you already know, Now. Then STFU and LISTEN (if they’re worth their salt, a retainer will be $25k). Do what they tell you. If it’s walk away, go back to school, learn a new trade, sell your business, whatever; then Do It. Your option is twisting wrenches in your own motorcycle repair shop (because nobody will hire you as a convicted felon) for the rest of your life, and never being able to TOUCH a firearm or loaded cartridge again for the rest of your life, which I can testify, is a long, long time. Don’t be another sucker; talk is cheap, dangerous and postings like yours only inflame the rage of the proctologists who are already inside your life and everyone you know or speak with. Your ‘friends’ will ALL vanish faster than snapping your fingers, so talk freely ONLY with that attorney, IN his/her office.

  • WillieNAz February 3, 2017, 3:27 am

    We don’t need the BATFE. They don’t exist to keep us safer, they only exist to keep us enslaved. Criminals don’t care about laws, so everything BATFE enforces only ends up applying to law abiding citizens. I suppose possession of rolling papers means I’m selling untaxed cigarettes. Possession of a 3D printer means I intend to print and sell guns. Lose these looney toons already along with all the other alphabet soup gangsters. The federal government needs to be at roaring ’20’s levels, so we can all get back to having a good time and prospering.

  • Rob February 1, 2017, 6:50 pm

    Where are President Trump and the Republican-controlled U.S. Congress? They hold the power to repeal the NFA and the GCA and restore our Constitutionally-recognized, inherent, natural rights now.

    Why are they not doing so?

    “A government big enough to give you every thing you want is a government big enough to take away everything you have.”

    • Leigh Rich February 3, 2017, 4:52 am

      Rob…Trump has been in office only 1 WEEK. The bill was introduced 1/9/17 and has to go through procedural steps. If you follow politics you will see Trump is up to his arm pits fighting alligators. Judge Neil Gorsuch is Trumps nominee to the Supreme Court who will get in one way or the other. Be patient.

      • Cyrus February 3, 2017, 8:09 am

        Leigh – Thanks for explaining this to Rob . . . obviously he doesn’t understand that the most important priority for us and DT is getting Gorsuch seated! That is the starting point to everything we want and demand! So First Things First ROB!

        • Rob February 6, 2017, 10:05 pm

          I fully understand the priorities. My impatience is centered more on the U.S. Congress than on President Trump. That being said, the point is that we shouldn’t have to wait for a Supreme Court appointment or decision for a restoration of our inherent rights. Republicans control both houses of the U.S. Congress and will be held accountable in the mid-term elections if they do not deliver. The RINOs in the U.S. Congress must not be permitted to thwart the restoration of our inherent rights, our liberties, and our freedoms.

      • Rob February 6, 2017, 9:58 pm

        I follow politics closely. Your points about patience and President Trump being up to his armpits in alligators are well taken. While I did name President Trump, my impatience centers more around the U.S. Congress and the RINOs therein. Their inaction in the restoration of constitutional rights speaks volumes. The main thrust of the point I’m trying to make is that we should not have to wait on a Supreme Court to restore rights that a Congress should be in the forefront of restoring.

    • XTrooper February 3, 2017, 5:22 am

      How about we let the president get his cabinet together, and let him be in office for more than two weeks before we start breaking his balls about not taking care of EVERYTHING that needs fixing in this country!? How about we do that? President Trump has already done more good in his first two weeks than many of his predecessors did during their whole terms.

      • Rob February 6, 2017, 9:59 pm

        President Trump deserves some patience. The U.S. Congress, well, that’s a different matter animal.

    • Rick Hammill February 3, 2017, 6:17 am

      For Christ’s sake he has been in office less than 2 weeks ! How about a tiny bit of slack? Jeez

    • Stan February 3, 2017, 1:04 pm

      Shut up, Sign up and send this link to EVERYONE you think might share our common interest – be ACTIVE not re-ACTIVE !

  • Dilligaf January 31, 2017, 11:58 pm

    I HOPE that the HPA passes and gets rid of the stupid NFA label for silencers/suppressors. The ATF is such garbage and their nitpicking is absolutely insane

  • Miles Huggins January 31, 2017, 7:57 pm

    Total bs

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