Suppressors to Lose NFA-Shackles with ‘Hearing Protection Act’?

Use of a suppressor makes all the difference with an AR-type rifle.

Use of a suppressor makes all the difference with an AR-type rifle.

The only thing to really hate about shooting guns is that it’s a LOUD activity. A REALLY, REALLY LOUD ACTIVITY!

Thankfully we have suppressors, which greatly reduce the noise produced by putting lead down range. Sadly though, suppressors are regulated by the National Firearms Act, which means they are a pain in the butt to obtain (You can read all about how suppressors work and how to obtain them in those great GunsAmerican articles).

In a nutshell, under current law, one must fill out paperwork, submit fingerprints and a registration form, pass an ATF background check, obtain a signature from a chief law enforcement officer and pay a $200 tax before purchasing a suppressor.

Well, maybe, just maybe we are one step closer to removing suppressors also known as silencers from the NFA’s reach, and doing away with that arduous and time-consuming process.

On Thursday, Arizona Congressman Matt Salmon introduced a bill called the “Hearing Protection Act” that would free suppressors from the shackles of the NFA, and instead simply require prospective purchasers to pass a NICS background check.

The bill has the backing of both the National Rifle Association’s Institute of Legislative Action and the American Suppressor Association.

“Suppressors significantly reduce the chance of hearing loss for anyone who enjoys the shooting sports,” said Chris Cox, executive director of NRA-ILA “On behalf of the NRA and our 5 million members, I want to thank Rep. Salmon for his leadership on this important bill.”

“Suppressors benefit all involved in hunting and the shooting sports. It’s time to bring the law in line with modern technology,” added Cox.

As the ASA notes in its press release: suppressors are simply mufflers for firearms, which function by trapping the expanding gasses at the muzzle, allowing them to slowly cool in a controlled environment. On average, suppressors reduce the noise of a gunshot by 20 – 35 decibels (dB), roughly the same sound reduction as earplugs or earmuffs. In addition to hearing protection, suppressors also mitigate noise complaints from those who live near shooting ranges and hunting lands.

Gemtech's The One suppressors covers almost all of the rifle bases.

Gemtech’s The One suppressors covers almost all of the rifle bases.

“The American Suppressor Association believes that citizens should not have to pay a tax to protect their hearing while exercising their Second Amendment rights,” said Knox Williams, President and Executive Director of the ASA.

“The removal of suppressors from the National Firearms Act has been our ultimate goal since day one. For months, we have worked alongside Rep. Salmon’s office and the National Rifle Association to craft this legislation,” continued Williams.

“Although we recognize that introducing this bill is the first step in what will be a lengthy process to change federal law, we look forward to working with Rep. Salmon and the NRA to advance and ultimately enact this common-sense legislation,” he concluded.

Yes, nothing happens over night, especially when we talk about turning a bill into a law. But I’d argue that the wind is at the back of the ASA and the NRA-ILA on this front. Removing suppressors from the NFA is, indeed, common sense. Hopefully, they make real progress on this in the coming months.

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  • BILLYBOB June 8, 2017, 8:05 pm

    ATF JUST STARTING ON MAY 2016 PAPER WORK !

  • Rob November 7, 2015, 4:24 pm

    Steve you said what I think every day.No amount of praying can control what we do and how are lifes turn out. Church is the biggest and most successful scam of all time.

  • matt November 5, 2015, 10:04 pm

    when they drop that tax and the sbr tax get back with me

  • Rusty November 1, 2015, 10:52 am

    Unfortunately Hollywood has painted those horrible silancers as the tools of spy’s and assassins that no honest citizen has any need for.
    The truth of course is of no concern in Hollywood, and for so many in America that is the limit of there exposure to the subject. Passing this common sense bill is likely to require the re education of America. It would be nice, but too many liberals are going see this and think “why would anyone need a gun that doesn’t make any noise?”
    They do no shooting, have no idea that suppressors really only reduce the noise or how much hearing loss can be caused by the sound. Hollywood is far to liberal to show anyone other that those spy’s and assassins using a tool such as this. (You know those gun nut guys aren’t really smart enough to be concerned about their hearing)

  • Jerry November 1, 2015, 10:51 am

    The “politically correct” comments here do not address the fact that these name are Jewish.

  • John W October 31, 2015, 4:14 pm

    As long as the democrats can block it, it will NEVER pass. In case some of you missed history it was the democrats who signed the 1934 NFA in to law. It was the democrats who signed the 1968 GCA in to law. It was the democrats who signed the 1993 assault weapons bill in to law. No democrat has ever met a GUN CONTROL bill they did not like. In a recent interview Clinton stated that she would be in favor of a gun buy back program or confiscation. Democrats as a party are strongly ANTI GUN. Look at the history I have provided here. By the way ALL of these federal laws were passed in the name of CRIME CONTROL. When democrats speak of common sense gun control they are talking about all out CONFISCATION.

    • LB January 17, 2017, 8:49 am

      Ready to purchase a full auto during the Reagan administration until he signed the law making it harder to accomplish, thanks ronnie

  • Duane Bessette October 30, 2015, 11:56 pm

    Of the hundreds of bills introduced in Congress,only a handful ever get passed. This bill is politically impossible and will not see the light of day. This is wishful thinking bordering on fantasy.

  • mike hughes October 30, 2015, 8:39 pm

    I have several times been to a gun show in Charleston SC and an individual has always been there not only selling silencers but putting them in some kind of trust that makes them legal to posess. I really should have paid more attention to him but his table was packed with person after person asking questions about the legality of the issue. Being one of those people that doesn’t handle crowds very wel I only held around briefly. The police presence at this gun show is incredible and I rather doubt you could get away with doing something totally illegal right out in the open, It all had something to do with putting the silencer into some kind of trust. Whether any of this is true or it is specific to South Carolina I have no idea just thought I would pass it along

  • Kivaari October 30, 2015, 8:02 pm

    It would be great. I have used some of the 1960-70 era suppressors and they helped, even though they were big and heavy. A local store has many in stock, and I was lucky to use one in .22 LR and one in .45 ACP. The new models are superb. Shooting a SIG P220 .45 without hearing protection is great fun. The paperwork delays at ATF-NFA can drag on. Anywhere from 5 weeks to 11 months. I’m dragging on at 6 weeks, and I have an FFL. Go figure.

  • Ranald Dunn October 30, 2015, 6:06 pm

    I wish that “silencers” would have been available a long time ago- like “Doug” said, the ringing in my ears never stops. In part due to loud music but also to shooting without muffs when young. Ignorance? Yes, no one wore plugs or muffs then.. Im glad that thanks to friends, I wised up while I still had most of my hearing left.

  • Doug October 30, 2015, 3:40 pm

    I read a lot more now that the ringing in my ears never stops..

  • Jeremiah October 30, 2015, 3:05 pm

    Suppressors would benefit everyone. The shooter, associates who shoot near him, the surrounding neighborhood if the range is located within urban limits, nature (the environment) and the industry that would grow out of the demand for their inclusion in our EDCs and other firearms. This is such a win/win for all, it’s a wonder that the laws governing the use of suppressors haven’t been changed before 2015.

  • BJ October 30, 2015, 2:10 pm

    We shouldn’t need to even do the NICS check. Some of the Framers of the Constitution thought having the Bill of Rights would mean leaving it open to change or interpretation, which it did. Why would suppressors which just help save our hearing be open to discussion at all? How about scopes, adjustable trigger assemblies, bipods? etc? We’ve already wrongly let them regulate our firearms. Tipping a bad waitress gets everybody more bad service. Giving the liberates any room for nit picking is always a bad idea.

  • Ivar Ivarson October 30, 2015, 12:59 pm

    Since the entire law is based on the “plutt-plutt” “untraceable” sound effect in the movies, it’s about effing time.

  • Mark Hallman October 30, 2015, 12:47 pm

    One would hope this legislation passes, however I am doubtful. In this economy, I can’t afford an $800 + $200 suppressor anyway. Maybe prices will drop if passed. I have always thought they were way overpriced anyhow.

  • Chris Mallory October 30, 2015, 10:52 am

    The best option would be to slip this in as a amendment on some Omnibus spending bill. Let it get lost in the clutter and signed without the chance of a veto.

  • BDub October 30, 2015, 10:41 am

    I love the idea of getting Silencers of of the NFA, but the background check is a trojan horse. No other firearms accessory requires a background check, not even an upper receiver. Why would we want to set the precedent that firearms parts can require background checks. If I was the ILA, I would push back on this issue….hard – Its a dangerous line of thought.

  • Ironsun21 October 30, 2015, 10:23 am

    They want to make it easier to get drugs that kill hundreds of thousands a year but don’t want to pass something that improves hearing loss and reduces costs for medicare for hearing aids. How dumb can this system of government can get?

    • Chris Mallory October 30, 2015, 10:53 am

      Tell us, which drugs are then trying to make easier to get that ” kill hundreds of thousands” each year? Suppressors do not “improve hearing loss”. They help prevent it.

      • Mike M October 30, 2015, 8:30 pm

        The FDA through their ignorance are allowing big PHARMA to foist thousands of dangerous side effect drugs on the public. Most of the “Doctors” who serve as regulators also work for the PHARMA industry. The fox in the hen house syndrome. They are the ones who want to make it easier to get dangerous drugs to the masses. Look at the ‘massacres’ and see if the perpetrators were on any of the great miracles that the industry puts out.

        • steve November 1, 2015, 4:20 pm

          Wait a minute. Are you saying that the crazy people with diagnosed mental illnesses that committed many of these mass shootings were actually,(gasp) ON DRUGS THAT HAVE BEEN PROVEN TO EFFECTIVELY TREAT AND MANAGE THE SYMPTOMS OF MENTAL ILLNESS?! What a revelation! I, for one, am shocked and appalled.
          Your insight into this phenomenon has caused me to look deeper into this phenomenon, and you will never guess what found! A HUGE percentage of people who die from heart attacks (get this) were all taking medications from big pharma! Things like lipitor, or coudamin, or crestor, etc. Clearly the doctors are trying to cover this up, and blaming high cholesterol levels, and atherosclerosis, and high blood pressure for heart attacks, strokes, etc., when really it is the DRUGS that are causing these things!

    • drhcruises January 17, 2017, 4:52 pm

      I think you are not correct, Medicare DOES NOT pay for hearing aids

  • Larry October 30, 2015, 9:48 am

    This bill is going nowhere! With the communist Muslim in chief in charge there is no chance it will be signed!

    • Warner Anderson October 30, 2015, 10:40 am

      Your “Muslim in chief” washes his pork roast down with beer. Transfer your excitement to real issues of personal freedom, not internet fantasies. Clear sight is a prerequisite for accuracy.

      • Not Larry October 30, 2015, 12:52 pm

        +1 you are correct sir. Sometimes I wonder if comments like Larry’s are parodies, trying to smear conservatives by association. Love your last line: “Clear sight is a prerequisite for accuracy.”

  • Tim October 30, 2015, 9:45 am

    This may not pass and a lot of poeple are really negative about it. However without trying it will never pass. Without continuing to show and educate our government officials and the public about safe gun use nothing will ever happen. As much as the media wants to shove the negative down our throats we need to do the same with the positive. Never give up fighting for our rights as gun owners.

  • chev1958 October 30, 2015, 9:19 am

    If the law passes, the firearms manufacturers could design suppressors into their firearms, rather than us having to buy suppressors separately. Kind of like “standard equipment” for cars and trucks. The prices on firearms will probably rise, but eventually costs will come down with greater production capacity.

  • EbbTide October 30, 2015, 9:17 am

    Unfortunately out here in California we don’t have an ice cubes chance in hell of ever owning firearm mufflers as a regular citizen. In fact you should see the neutered menu of approved firearms which we have a choice to own. Cities like San Francisco even want to make any magazine greater than 10 rounds illegal to own no matter what the original production date was and even if you are the original owner.

  • EbbTide October 30, 2015, 9:16 am

    Unfortunately out here in California we don’t have an ice cubes chance in hell of ever owning firearm mufflers as a regular citizen. In fact you should see the neutered menu of approved firearms which we have a choice to own. Cities like San Francisco even want to make any magazine greater than 10 rounds illegal to own no matter what the original production date was and even if you are the original owner.

  • Ironsun21 October 30, 2015, 9:03 am

    Even with hearing protection it’s still loud. Guy was shooting close to me at the gun range with 308 with a can on it and it was still not a totally quiet gun but a whole lot better. I wish they had suppressors cheap when I was younger I wouldn’t have 20% hearing loss I have now. Never messed with ear muffs in younger days. Didn’t give it a thought.

  • carl kressley October 30, 2015, 8:48 am

    This is a big step forward on obtaining a suppressor. NOW if you could buy one at a reasonable price. Can no one make and sell one for under $200.00. This would be an even bigger step forward.

  • Kim October 30, 2015, 8:27 am

    I own 4 cans… Love them all. Ihad to pay 200 for the priveledge of owning each one. Why? As a means of government revenue, that’s why. I think class 3 is fine as long as you only had to go through the process one time. I have a drivers license that allows me to drive any car I want. How is this different? They stay on the books, we don’t change any laws that can be vetoed, and we can all have access to all available supressor. Don’t care what party you are on, this is the win, win in my book.

  • Steve Stajkowski October 30, 2015, 8:27 am

    It’s ironic we vote these jokers in office and all they do is pass laws to take our freedom away. Always taking and never giving. What good are any of them?

  • Chuck14 October 30, 2015, 8:23 am

    I recently moved to Maine from the People’s Republic of New Jersey where I can own Class 2’s. I bought one and got the paperwork to be filled out to send to the ATF by my Chief Law Enfircement Officer, which is the county Sheriff. They claimed they ‘don’t do that anymore, contact the state police’ which I did, and they told me they can’t do it for me my sheriff is just passing the buck. I contacted the store which is holding my suppressor in frustration and he told me to get an NFA Gun Trust with an attorney who does them and you can circumvent the entire dealing with your CLEO and then the gun store will be able to directly send your ATF Class 2 applications for the stamp to them. So for $199. you can do this paperwork and also choose to transfer these items to a relative, without specifying what you own as far as firearms. Look into this if you’re thinking about buying suppressors or anything related to the NFA

    • Duncan October 30, 2015, 9:10 am

      If this bill were to pass, what would be the procedure for legally obtaining a manufactured “suppressor”? Also, if you already own one of the “solvent trap cleaning systems” and wish to turn it into a “suppressor” what would be the procedure for doing so?

      • shrugger October 30, 2015, 10:51 am

        If it passed you’d merely need to fill out and be approved by the NICS. Same as any other firearm. I have no idea how home made would be treated.

  • Dean October 30, 2015, 8:17 am

    This is about $$ it will never pass, the gov will never give up the $200.00 xfer tax

  • John Smith October 30, 2015, 7:53 am

    Simple solution, ban the gun in heavily dense population zones and make them legal in less populated, rural areas, where the bullet range won’t harm innocent bystanders.

    • Rob October 30, 2015, 8:38 am

      You should re-read the second amendment, because it doesn’t limit gun use to rural areas. You just hate guns and want to find any small step to limit the Right to own and use them.

    • JT October 30, 2015, 9:46 am

      And exactly how would your “solution” save my hearing??? Did you even read the title of the bill before you started formulating your thinly veiled anti-gun response? Absolutely one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever seen on this site. I’m sure you also think the only justifiable excuse for firearms is hunting… in those “rural areas”. If you’re really serious about reducing gun violence in large cities, you might try enforcing existing gun laws and putting the scum-bags who use a gun in a crime away for a long, long time.

    • Jason b October 30, 2015, 3:24 pm

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

      Endowed by Their creator= government didn’t give the right.

      Unalienable = NO ONE save the creator can take these rights.

      Shall not be infringed = you can’t mess with it.

      So those unalienable rights are spelled out in part in the bill of rights. So with that said, how does your idea not infringe on that?

  • Jay October 30, 2015, 6:48 am

    It’s about time, too bad I’ve already suffered from hearing loss from shooting even with hearing protection, bad one’s I might add! It’s amazing how the government does so much under the disguise of Safety except actual acts that involve safety!

  • ezkl2230 October 30, 2015, 6:38 am

    The bill stands ZERO chance of passing. Even assuming that conservatives are somehow able to put together enough votes to pass the bill in congress, the president will veto it, and there aren’t enough votes in congress to override his veto. It’s a nice thought, but I wouldn’t get too excited.

    • Jason B October 30, 2015, 9:21 am

      You’re 100% correct. The leftists will decry this as just another move of the dangerous republicans to make it easier to kill kids in schools. Won’t anyone think of the children?

      • Jaxbo October 30, 2015, 11:25 am

        Youre right, the liberals and democrats will scream to high heaven that assassins will freely roam the streets if silencers are any easier to obtain. Fact is though, anyone can make a crude silencer, and anyone can obtain a professionally made silencer and have been able to do so for decades. How many people have been shot with silenced firearms over the last few decades? Probably none! Unlike in the movies a silencer doesn’t tame a 454 Casul Magnum down to the sound of a knat fart and Lanza could have cared less if his rifle was silenced!@

  • Robert Leonard October 30, 2015, 4:58 am

    A suppressor is no more complicated than a muffler on an engine. In most cases if you operate a motor vehicle without a muffler, you will be ticketed.

    It just makes sense.

    • DTTWO October 30, 2015, 7:08 pm

      OK, if that is so, why do they cost so much? $200 I could pay for the stamp, but then another $900 for the suppressor. You have got to be kidding. I will keep using my “ears”.

      • Wolfpack-bravo October 30, 2015, 11:37 pm

        Suppressors cost so much for the same reason a legal AR15 with a $100 select fire parts kit in it costs so much. Because they can.
        It also costs a ton of money to get and maintain the licensing to build them.
        Pay the $200 tax stamp and build your own. They are not that complicated.

    • Robert M. Anderson November 1, 2015, 9:50 pm

      The Jews have ZERO to do with anything wrong. You are just an antisemitic nut. The GUN CONTROL FLAKES ARE THEMSELVES ALL ARMED; either they own guns and carry them (Schumer, Feinstein), or, like Bloomberg, have ARMED bodyguards. They are the scum; concentrate on them, not the Jews. In Israel, by the way, just about any honest citizen can obtain a CWP permit, and they do. My Jewish friends who worked on Kibbutzes in the 60s and 70s were simply handed UZIs when they arrived! Bob Anderson

  • Mike Mignone October 30, 2015, 3:44 am

    Hell, I’d love to pay $200 to be able to get a suppressor. Here in NJ we can’t have them at all, nor can we have a flash hider. Any muzzle device has to be labelled a compensator or muzzle brake or its illegal….. yay “common sense” gun laws

    • Mahatma Muhjesbude October 30, 2015, 11:13 am

      Mike, when you buy the federal tax stamp, get fingerprinted, and now think you ‘contently’ are up on the game, you really just waived your right to search and seizure without a warrant by complying with their most egregious form of private registration.

      Instead of ‘sarc’ efforts like you do here, why don’t you organize with your other ‘gun loving’ buds in NJ and get a PAC group going and start some momentum to ‘CHANGE’ those anti-Constitutional state laws if not repeal them? Get some Rep to initiate a bill making any form of ‘infringement’ on the Constitution illegal by State law, effectively nullifying the illegal ones you now have?

  • shrugger October 30, 2015, 3:28 am

    Show your support and weigh in on this bill.
    https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/114/hr3799

  • Donald F. Quinn October 29, 2015, 12:21 am

    Be wary of such a bill. How soon do you think it will be before the libs say they’ll give us suppressors ONLY if we register our guns with the feds? No, thank you. I’ll keep suppressors on the NFA list and keep the Kenyan Kommunist from knowing which and how may guns I own…

    • Daniel October 30, 2015, 7:09 am

      The ILA would not bend to such a concession. I’d rather try to gain some of our freedoms back, when we can. One piece at a time

      • Mahatma Muhjesbude October 30, 2015, 11:03 am

        Maybe someone like Trump will get in who isn’t as weak in wheeling and dealing like what i’m hearing in these posts sounding more like obama’s deals with Iran. Otherwise We keep losing while they keep winning. People should try to pull their brains back out of their assholes, clean off the shit, and realize the following facts:

        1. The entire Gun Control legislation statutes starting with the 1934 NFA then the ’68 GCA (beginning of registration and eventually making further ‘prohibition’ laws to make most citizens ‘felons’ or prohibited in some even lessor’statutory’ mandate from forever owning a gun again), and then the insult to all gun rights injuries when in 1986 some Patriot lawmakers tried to ban the de facto ‘registration’ of NCIC background checks and paperwork purchase records but lo and behold the bill got over ridden with a qualifier that Law enforcement can check background checks and FFL records anytime they wanted which is exactly what an anti-registration law should stop? And the out the door bitch slap was the attachment of the ’86 machine gun act to the bill, which banned further manufacture of domestic civilian use fully auto guns! Bwaahahahahahah!

        2, We can all blow ass and mewl and piss and moan all we want, but if we don’t counter attack immediately in the only possible way to ever save the 2nd/A, and then the rest of our liberties, then ‘They’ will take that weakness as a green light and make even more illegal anti-Constitutional laws eventually and certainly leading to more ‘disqualifying’ gun ownership categories like ‘mental conditions’ which most of us have in some form or another, making most of us criminals subject to prohibition and confiscation.

        3. So we can all kiss our multiple gun owning asses good-by if we don’t stop this ‘deal making’ bull shit! There is no ‘negotiation or ‘hoping and praying’ with regard to our inalienable Constitutional guarantees of “…SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!” This is Non-Negotiable ! NOT even if it saves one life! Compared to all the other lives that gun prohibition kills. Yet we cower and sweat and sit there on our fat lazy asses acting like these Leftist liberty stealing tyrants are doing us a favor when they pull back somewhat on obviously egregious steadily gaining confiscation momentum? You’ll never get anywhere anyway with these gun grabbers by making ‘concessions’ or ‘incremental’ restoration and retraction of these anti-Constitutional gun laws. Who the Fuck do you think the Iranians learned their method of ‘gain without giving in’ negotiation dealing from? The Donald, LOL! No, they watched how the Gun Control proponents and activists here in this country constantly shit on the Patriots’ rights and get away with it laughing all the way! For every law you think you had ‘relaxed, they go back door and make two other ones worse than the first!

        As I’ve been saying for years the time has come where it’s almost too late. If we don’t immediately get our Reps to initiate counter Gun control law bills to immediately REPEAL the 1968 Gun Control Act which will decease all illegal registration once and for all and stop them in their tracks by eventually creating an environment where they can’t use ‘Felonious prohibition’ anymore to eventually disarm the main core of the armed citizenry by having most of them violate some kind of illegal law– which was Lyndon Johnson’s regime’s original plot with the ’68 GCA now coming to full blown fruition and fulling implemented by next year if Hillary gets in.

      • Mike vP October 30, 2015, 11:07 am

        Daniel, could you please be more spoecific and provide us with a short list of the liberties that we have lost lately? Thank you!

        • Al October 30, 2015, 12:17 pm

          I’ll tell you the liberties I lost lately here in NYC: A 7-shot Glenfield .22 bolt action rifle; a 10-shot .22 Norinco take-down semi-auto pack rifle; a 10-shot Puma 1892 lever action .357: Three rifles, none of them “assault weapons” because they can carry more than 5 rounds of ammunition. Gone. Oh, I did get to keep a bow and arrow – just can’t have broadhead arrows.

        • Jason b October 30, 2015, 3:16 pm

          Every single law that violates the constitution is a loss of Liberty. Have you looked at the Patriot Act and ndaa? That is some of the most vile, liberty stealing legislation we have and on top of that, it’s unconstitutional. The safe act in new York, the legislation going through Connecticut, the blm and their land stealing. Designated free speech zones. I could go on and on. If you want to keep your head in the sand and pretend that we aren’t losing liberties, then you are part of the daggum problem, not the solution. If you wanna roll over, then get out of the way of those who refuse too.

    • Duncan October 30, 2015, 8:48 am

      Every time you buy a gun (rifle or pistol) from a store and do they background check you “essentially” register it with the feds 9even if you state does not require registration).

      • T & Z Armory October 30, 2015, 11:02 am

        When you fill out a 4473 form, the only thing that the FED knows is that you bought a firearm and what “type” it was handgun, long gun, or other. The dealer does not give the FED a serial number, make model of firearm, or caliber. That is why they are required to keep all of their records for 20 years in the case that a trace is required. It is really only the states that require registration that have specific knowledge of “what” you bought.

        • Mahatma Muhjesbude October 30, 2015, 11:51 am

          Hey, T&Z Armory, You need a bit of a brain tune up. “…the only thing that the FED knows is that you bought a firearm and what ‘type’ it was…” Well what do you that is, then, NOT Registration? Registration is knowing who buys a gun! And that’s all they need to find out the rest! If you are inclined to be a person of gaming persuasion, I will bet you cash that After i check directly into the NCIC database with my ‘proprietary’ access for the name of a certain person to see how recently a background check was done on him, or just perused the files in a specific zone prefix and then went to the store (yours??) doing the background check and flashed my I.D. and ordered you to show me his 4473s because i was investigating a ‘straw purchase’ or some other related investigation which i don’t have to enlighten you about what do you think THAT is? The ‘Feds’ would then know exactly what somebody purchased, now wouldn’t they, hahahhah! A registry named ‘Duck’ is still a Registered Duck, No matter which way it walks. And what else does your FFL require? Yup, you guessed it! You must turn in your purchase forms to the BATFE if you go out of business in say…three years. Which they’ll keep on file in a computer data base forever.

          That’s why they want ‘universal instant background checks’ at all gunshows and even between private parties in recent proposed legislation. Law ‘enforcement’ will then know anybody and everybody who bought a gun. The so-called criminal element doesn’t care about ‘background checks’. they get their weapons the old fashioned way. But you definately WILL be ‘REGISTERED’.

          So yeah, you’re right. Feds don’t know what you bought at a dealer…LMAO Until they feel like finding out.

          • Greg October 30, 2015, 4:41 pm

            The thing about the 4473 is that in most of the states it only applies to the original purchaser from the dealer. So you buy a Springfield XD from T&Z armory (for example) and they fill out the paperwork and they only tell the NICS people handgun or long gun. Now the feds know you have purchased a handgun, for at least the 3 days they have to destroy the records of the transaction. Let’s assume they are not deleting records and decide to visit your house because you bought a handgun. You can legally say “I sold it” and as a private citizen, not a gun dealer, if you live in one of the 40 or so states that does not have registration or universal background checks, you are in compliance with the law. You are NOT required to keep a record of the transaction or the name of the buyer, or any other records. You are only required to not have knowledge that you sold it to someone ineligible. Essentially the tracing of the chain of ownership goes cold at that point. This is a far cry from “registration”.
            The reason this is VERY important to understand now is because with all the crying for “universal background checks” right now, it’s just a ruse to pass a “common sense” law and within 5 years, they will start with “we can’t enforce the universal background checks without a full registry” cry. This is because any firearm sold in the first 238 years of the constitution, could legally be pretty much anywhere in free states.
            I live in Colorado. If some LEO asks where I got a firearm, for starters i do not have to answer if it would incriminate me. Secondly I could answer I bought it from a friend in 2010 before background checks were required, etc etc. There is no way they can know who has what without a full registry and the NICS check is not it. The push for full registry is coming soon. They are working it state by state right now in an effort to circumvent the whole population seeing it happen all at once. New York has done it. Connecticut has registered “assault weapons” Chicago and DC have done it and Colorado will be the next in line when the legislature goes all blue and they start crying “The Sheriffs can’t enforce the 2013 background check law because it lacks a registration component” and for the record, they can’t enforce it and have made no arrests to my knowledge under ANY of the laws passed in 2013.

  • Brandon October 26, 2015, 9:07 am

    Not only the safety benefits of reduced hearing damage but the added ability to communicate with others around you makes a a much safer environment. Especially if you shoot with your kids. I really hope this passes.

  • Brandon October 26, 2015, 9:07 am

    Not into the safety benefits of reduced hearing damage but the added ability to communicate with others around you makes a a much safer environment. especially if you shoot with your kids. I really hope this passes.

  • Walt October 24, 2015, 11:22 pm

    I already lost a good portion of my hearing while serving in Vietnam. Hearing protection is something I don’t shoot without today. The hearing I have left is very precious. I hope this passes and I can leave the clunky headphones behind. They shouldn’t require a background check though. We already go through that to purchase the firearm that we would put a suppressor on.

    • Ryan S October 26, 2015, 6:01 am

      Thank you for your service!

    • Ronhart October 30, 2015, 11:08 am

      I also lost much of my hearing in military service and in shooting without ear protection when I was younger. Now I use ear plugs AND muffs. The VA recently provided me with two very nice quality hearing aids, but I never understood the NFA’s reasons for suppressing “suppressors”. Gangsters in the 30s used them, but I guess they could afford to pay the taxes on them.

      • Joe McHugh October 30, 2015, 4:03 pm

        I read a book about an assassin who used .22 caliber pistols with noise suppressors. He would get very close and shoot the victim through the head with every cartridge in the gun’s magazine. If the gun’s serial number was removed and was
        untraceable, he would drop it from his latex gloved hands at the scene of the killing. He always bought replacement guns and suppressors on the black market. The silencers were made in a machine shop, highly illegal but VERY profitable!

        Want to “silence” the .22 caliber rimfire pistol or rifle? Go to a Lowes or Home Depot store and buy a six foot long foam rubber pipe insulator. You know, the kind of insulator material that is used on hot water pipes in your home. Cut a short piece off and push it over the barrel of the firearm. Oh, also buy the standard velocity ammunition so the bullet doesn’t break the sound barrier.

        I witnessed another target shooter using a piece of this stuff on his .22 caliber rimfire rifle at a shooting range. I think he was a guest of another club member because I never saw him again. I couldn’t believe how quite the rifle was! It was quieter that those bogus “silencers” that the bad guys use on the TV shows. If a law enforcement type shows up you can say that the foam rubber protects the barrel from scratches and it occasionally slides forward from its normal position a bit. He might even believe you.

        • ejharb November 1, 2015, 4:31 pm

          But if he don’t it’s 10 years and /or $10000 +a felony and no more gun ownership so I’ll stick with my 200 buck 11 month wait $500 silencerco sparrow

    • G mock October 30, 2015, 6:31 pm

      Have you checked with the VA on your hearing loss? It WILL BE WORTH YOUR WHILE!

    • Ear Horn Hank October 31, 2015, 10:31 am

      Whoa.. Hang on there. Don’t give the libs any ideas. They will ban hearing protection.

  • Boog E Mann October 24, 2015, 11:41 am

    I wish I could have bought one before I had to spend the $5,000.00 on hearing aids.

    • William October 30, 2015, 6:18 pm

      What did you say?? Sorry I did not hear you.

  • taxx73 October 22, 2015, 7:13 pm

    Please don’t let the libtards hear about this. I hope this gets passed but in order to do this we have to get out there and vote the idiots out of government on all levels.

    • Ed October 30, 2015, 5:32 am

      Hey genius…there are as many republicunts against guns as their are dummocrats. Time to wake up. who are the main ones against guns? Bloomberg, Feinstein, Schumer, Abe Foxman, Blumenthal, & others. What do you see here that they have in common? All Zionist Israeli Jew terrorist Lovers. Wake up & realize who the real enemy is.

      • Scott October 30, 2015, 8:38 am

        Ed. You sound like a ignorant nazi. I can’t believe that there are still people in this world that blame their problems on the Jews. At least have an original thought in your empty head and come up with some other group to blame all of your problems on. I am guessing that your lack of intelligence is more to blame for your issues than any outside group.

        I could get behind gun control, if they only banned people like you from owning them. The real enemy is ignorance.

        • Alex October 30, 2015, 10:09 am

          Well said Scott.

        • Stephen October 30, 2015, 11:55 am

          Way to go, Scott!!!!

        • Jeremiah October 30, 2015, 2:36 pm

          Right on, Brother Scott!

        • Chuck Toos October 30, 2015, 9:12 pm

          I had to read this a few times:

          ” Israeli Jew terrorist Lovers”

          Is it some one who loves a terrorist of the Israeli Jews? Is that what he meant?

        • MarkOwen October 31, 2015, 1:20 am

          No shit, blame the Jews for your small mindedness why don’t you. Blame them for having a needle dick too, shit for brains!

      • c69101 October 30, 2015, 9:51 am

        Wow! You clearly overdosed on the Kool-Aid!

      • Eyecnu October 30, 2015, 12:18 pm

        Ed, you are ignorant.

      • Tylerd October 30, 2015, 1:17 pm

        Ed “Wake up & realize who the real enemy is.” it clearly isn’t you, for obvious reasons, see below:
        1. You, being the product of conception between familial carbon units (figure that one out)
        2. Your iq is a negative number.
        3. Your tired “hate the joooooooos rant is” so 1930’s German National Socialist Party (not unlike today’s DNC)
        4. You live in your mom’s basement, therefor you are incapable of a cognizant thought, clearly proven by your inane, stupid diatribe. (see above)

      • chris October 30, 2015, 3:30 pm

        Ed, You speak a lot of truth. Unfortunately most Americans have been brainwashed into supporting Isreal. Just because Adolph Hitler attacked this group we are somehow to believe all Jews are holy. This is as absurd as thinking that all Jews are a problem. Your critics obviously don’t get that.
        The other reason I see so many misguided people support Isreal is because they are half-assed Christians. They think the Jews are the chosen people(True in Old Testament times but not now). What an ignorant belief. Do they not know the Bible? Did they not learn that Jesus divided the Jews into 2 groups. The 1st were the group of Jews that accepted him. You know who I mean…all the apostles and disciples. The 2nd group of Jews were those that rejected Him. So who are God’s chosen people, the Jews who rejected Him or the Jews who accepted Him(now known as Christians)?

        • Wolfpack-bravo October 30, 2015, 4:22 pm

          Ed
          Notice he said “idiots”‘without specifying a particular political group.
          Critical thinking is hard.

        • steve November 1, 2015, 3:56 pm

          Right chris, because the people criticizing his anti-Semitic, tin foil hat type rant were clearly saying that all jews are good people and can do no harm.
          Also, not one of them said a single thing about being pro Israel, or defending Israeli foreign policy.
          The only thing you said that was even close to a reasonable statement, was about how christians blindly support Israel because they will always choose judeo-christians over muslims any day of the week, and worse, because of their ridiculous adherence to their holy book, and their insane belief in biblical prophecy and the end times (it is quite disconcerting just how many christians seem so eager to see the destruction of the world come in their lifetime.)
          The sad thing is though, you seem to put give just as much credence to the accuracy and relevancy of this ancient grouping of holy texts written by one particular sect of jews living in the middle east thousands of years ago as the people you are condemning. You just have a slightly different interpretation of these writings. This is why the world laughs at america. While they are debating the issues, us in america have to waste half of our time listening to crazy people who still believe in bronze age holy myths, discuss what their particular interpretation of their particular holy text has to say on the issue. It is 2015. It is time for us to grow up and get beyond this silly reliance on these religious documents, as if the thoughts of ignorant men from thousands of years ago has any bearing on our foreign policy, or day to day lives. It’s time for people to start thinking for themselves, instead of having to go to a god, or pastor, or ancient holy book to learn what they are supposed to believe, old where they are supposed to stand on a certain issue, or to learn whether something is moral or immoral. It really is quite insane when you step back and think about it.

    • Mc December 7, 2015, 4:04 pm

      I hope this gets passed. I don’t believe in the nfa at all. What they should do is completly abolish the silly and absurd nfa act that is well over 80 years old and promote our gun rights even more.all the nfa does is restrict American citizens from owning certain types of guns and devices due to them being to dangerous.its a bunch of bullshit I have to pay a rediculous slave tax to our tyrannical government to buy what is considered a nfa item.

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