Advanced Mil-Dot: Estimating Distance Using Your Scope

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Recently we introduced the whole concept of the mil-dot (or milliradian) system for rifle scopes in Mil-Dot Made Easy. In that article, we got into the practical application of how mil-dot scopes can be used to figure out how to aim at a distant target. With simple math, you can figure out how much adjustment to make to your optic to account for bullet drop at longer ranges. The same system can be used to calculate windage adjustment to account for crosswinds and figuring out how much to lead a moving target.

That’s all fine and cool, but what I like most about the mil-dot system is that it can be used to figure out the distance to a target, just by looking through your optic. Hey, when the Zombies come, batteries are going to be in short supply, and those fancy laser rangefinders will only work for so long.

In fact, one of the earliest uses of the mil-dot ranging system allowed submarine commanders to figure out how far away an enemy ship was. This knowledge, used with some basic math that factored in the speed of their torpedoes, told them where to aim in order to intersect the path of the ship. If you’re ancient enough (like me) to have played that old arcade game Sea Wolf, you’ll know the concept. Except back then, you had to guess when to launch the torpedo, and it took a lot of quarters to nail the timing consistently. If you don’t know what an “arcade game” is, count me as envious of your youth.

Likewise, mil-dot markings in your scope can easily be used to figure out how far away a person, animal, or object is from your current position. It’s a matter of proportion. For example, have you ever tried to help someone spot a planet in the night sky by telling them something like, “Look two thumb widths over from the moon and you’ll see it?” Obviously, Mercury is somewhat farther than two thumbs away from the moon. Your thumb width is just represents a proportional distance relationship. The width of your thumb two feet from your eyes represents some millions or billions of miles of distance far out in space.

The concept of determining how far away something is using mil-dots is similar. Because the proportional size of an object is constant with distance, you can use some basic algebra principles to figure out the range. Don’t freak out because I used the word “Algebra!” I hated that class too, but there is one important thing we all learned that applies here. Remember “solving for X?” All that really boiled down to was knowing that if there are three pieces of information, and you know two of them, you can usually solve for the missing third one. In this case, you can always solve for the missing piece of info at the relationships are proportional.

At risk of grossly oversimplifying math and ticking off my 8th-grade algebra teacher, it works like this. With a mil-dot scope, we know that the measurements between dots on the scope reticle equate to 1 yard at 1,000 yards distance. If we also know the actual size of a distant object, like a person standing, fence post, or copy of the New York Times, then we have two pieces of known information. The only thing missing is the distance between our scope and the known size object.

Let’s use a real-world example to illustrate the idea.

Suppose we want to shoot a copy of The New York Times. Yes, that brings me joy, but that story is for another day. Someone has placed it down range at an unknown distance. As hardly anyone knows, the width of The New York Times is about 12 inches. When folded, as it would be in a newspaper rack, it’s about 11 inches tall. Now, if someone put our example entirely objective content newspaper at close range, say 5 feet, it would look pretty big through a scope. However, if they placed it 300 yards down range, it would appear to be a puny little thing, even less worthy of a read than normal. That’s the whole proportion thing in action. They farther away it is, the smaller it appears.

Using a mil-dot scope to figure out how far away an object is requires only a little simple math.

Using a mil-dot scope to figure out how far away an object is requires only a little simple math.

Here’s where the magic of mil-dot comes into play. What if we “measured” the size of our downrange newspaper using the mil-dot markings in the scope? Using the scope marks like a ruler, we can look at the paper through the scope and see how many “mil-dots” in the scope reticle it covers. At close range, say 10 yards, the paper might appear to be 20 mil-dots tall. At long range, it might only be one or two mil-dots tall. Here’s where we can use our two “known” pieces of information to figure out how far away it is. We know the length of a mil-dot at a fixed range of 1,000 yards. We also know that the New York Times, when folded, is about 11 inches tall. The only piece of missing information is the distance between us and the formerly-epic example of investigative journalism.

Here’s where the proportions come into play. Remember from the previous discussion that one milliradian (mil) equates to one yard at a distance of 1,000 yards. For illustration’s sake, imagine standing a yardstick upright 1,000 yards down range. When we look at that through a mil-dot scope reticle, it will appear to be exactly one mil tall.

That’s the basis of the proportion relationship. If a one-yard tall object appears to be one mil tall through the scope, it must be 1,000 yards away. If it appears to be two mils tall, then it’s only 500 yards away. If the object is not exactly one yard tall, then you need to adjust accordingly.

Let’s say that The New York Times appears to be two mils tall through our scope. But we know that it’s only .305 yards tall. We also know that a one-yard tall object that appears to be two mils tall through the scope is 500 yards away, so a smaller object that appears two mils tall must be closer, since it appears larger.

Rather than get all wrapped up in the words, there’s a simple formula to figure out the range. It relies on knowing the actual size of the object your are ranging and the number of mils that it appears to be through your scope.

mil dot range calculation

Plugging these values into the formula, we get:

NYT ranging example.

The same formula works with meters too, as long as you’re consistent.

It sounds complicated, but once you get the hang of it, you can use this system almost anywhere, because there are almost always objects of known size nearby. For example:

  • The average fencepost is about 4 feet (1.33 yards) tall.
  • An “average” man standing is 70 inches (1.94 yards) tall.
  • An average man sitting is 33 inches (.917 yards) high.
  • A Russian T-72 Tank is about 1 yard from the ground to the base of the turret. OK, maybe we don’t all know the tread height of a T-72, but you have to admit, it’s an interesting factoid to file away. I didn’t know it either, and had to look it up.

The idea is to find an object near your target of known size, and use that as your range estimation input. There are plenty of every day objects of known size: cars, trash cans, telephone poles, whitetail deer, fire hydrants, or gun free zone protest signs, just to name a few. If you know the sizes of common objects in your area, you can easily use your mil-dot scope to reliably estimate range. Because some math is actually valuable later in life, just like your high school teacher said.

{ 22 comments… add one }
  • Johnny January 9, 2017, 6:57 am

    So what’s the full equation?

    (X ÷ 36) × 1000
    ————————– = Range
    Mils

  • Zack January 7, 2017, 9:50 am

    Both articles were SUPERB! I tip my hat to the author on this, thanks for the great refresher!

  • David September 16, 2016, 1:40 pm

    I am confused as how the paper is 2 mils it looks more like three mils.

    • David September 16, 2016, 1:43 pm

      Nevermind i see my error

      • Zack January 7, 2017, 9:48 am

        Scopes with hash marks are easier sometimes. It can be hard to split the dots perfectly at range sometimes

  • john bowser May 19, 2016, 6:31 pm

    thank you, Tom, for the super simple primer on mil-dot.
    both articles presented here brought mil-dot scopes into focus for me. A few simple notes into my rifle log book, and hunting I will go. them zombies beware of, well, just beware!!
    jb.

  • RBR August 13, 2015, 9:16 am

    Richard H. “Dick” Kane, skipper of the USS Tang in WW II, made a model to practice estimating the angle on the bow of a target vessel, one of the critical elements in calculating targeting data. U.S. Subs were equipped with analog computers to calculate targeting data based upon input of target distance, speed and angle on the bow.

    While mil dot systems are quite useful, will the zombies hod a copy of the Times in front of them to help out? 😉

  • Bill July 25, 2015, 1:46 pm

    T-72 tank dimension is off. 3′ to the base of turret sounds low. We always used 2.3 meters to the top. Unsure where your even see a T-72 from the bill to turret- since if you saw the hull you’d see the turret.

    As a rule back in the day with multiple returns on laser range finders you’d check 1 mil against your laser reading to see if you are close. For instance if you get a 2,300 meter return and the tank was about a mil you’d know you were on.

  • dave July 20, 2015, 8:29 am

    Good article on mil-dot. I noticed (or maybe didn’t notice) there wasn’t any mention of scope power used when doing mil-dot calculations. Very important I would think

    • Administrator July 20, 2015, 8:40 am

      Theoretically Mil-Dot should work across the power spectrum, as long as you don’t change the power from where you measure your known width in MILs, but generally the manufacturer will tell you to only use MILS at the max power of the scope. Zeiss scopes are made to be able to adjust the power for their drop system (there is an article here on them), but in generally, for pur Mil-Dot, you should assume max power.

      • dink winkerson July 20, 2015, 12:53 pm

        That depends on weather you have a first or second focal plane. First focal plane it doesn’t matter where your power setting is, second focal plane needs to be on the highest power setting>

        • DaveGinOly July 20, 2015, 2:17 pm

          Absolutely correct!

        • Administrator July 20, 2015, 3:06 pm

          Yes, and we have an article here on first focal plane scopes so if you don’t know what that is you should check that. In the US most people assume second focal plane, but those Burris scopes we tested are gaining popularity.

          • dink winkerson July 20, 2015, 6:39 pm

            “In the US most people assume second focal plane” It isn’t just Burris, nearly every major optic manufacturer makes second focal plane optics. I’d have had more respect for a mea culpa than trying to justify your incomplete answer to his question with an invalid and unreasonable excuse. I’ve seen many things called into question in articles on this site, often not knowing who was right, often giving the benefit of the doubt to GA. Guess I may have to reconsider that if you can’t own an honest mistake on your part.

          • Administrator July 23, 2015, 7:19 pm

            You seem to think that there is some kind of disagreement here when there is not. I don’t even understand what you are trying to say. Everyone makes second focal plane scopes, and as I said, it is wht you pretty much assume when you are talking scopes. But the point that the max power doesn’t apply to FFP is of course true, and we have a few articles on FFP scopes. The article leaves out the point that it is generally top power that you have to do your Mil-Dot calcs on. That was addressed in the comments above. What seems what you seem to think we need an excuse for? The comment doesn’t claim that Burris either makes or does not make any specific type of scope. If you looked up the article, you would see the Burris FFP scopes featured in it. You apparently did not do that.

        • Zack January 7, 2017, 9:49 am

          Not always, if your scope is in sfp then the scope manual will dictate which power to use

  • Mike July 20, 2015, 7:03 am

    Great article! I’m saving this one. 🙂

    Idea- On the NY Slimes… compare it to the Washington Compost… do a penetration test then compost test. That’s all they’re good for…

    • Steve Hudson July 20, 2015, 9:46 am

      I, m still confused on the relation between the 11in paper and .305 yds

      • Tom July 20, 2015, 10:15 am

        It’s just a conversion from inches to yards. The estimation formula takes height in yards as the input, so I just converted 11 inches to its equivalent in yards. 11 / 36 inches per yard equals .305, so the 11 inch tall paper is also .305 yards tall. Does that help clarify my babbling?

        • Paul Bowsher August 31, 2016, 9:49 am

          In your example……the Washington post…..you KNEW the Washington post was 11″ tall, that was a known before anything else.
          In ANY distance calculation, you must know the dimension of what you are distancing before you can do anything, correct?

      • Dale July 20, 2015, 11:03 am

        Steve, divide the 11 inches by 36 inches in a yard. Hence .305

    • Guy Glimp February 1, 2016, 4:49 pm

      Saved it too. Then wrote it down (formula ) in my copy of tools for survival by James Wesley Rawles.

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