ATF Asked the Public for Comment on Bump Stock Ban, Here’s How We Responded…

I’m just going to skip to the result section. Kudos to The Trace for doing the legwork on this. For a Bloomberg-funded anti-gun rag, they actually did a pretty good job in compiling the data.

Graph courtesy of The Trace.

What you’re looking at is an analysis of the over 32,000 comments that the ATF received when it solicited feedback from the public on whether it should “reclassify” bump stocks. Basically, to ban them. Or more accurately, to regulate them and other similar devices as machine guns.

By The Trace’s calculation, which relied on “computer scripts to parse and analyze” the comments, 85 percent of respondents opposed the ban.  Only 13 percent supported it and 2 percent didn’t express a clear stance. (I find that 2 percent fascinating.  What the heck is the point of commenting if you don’t make an emphatic case one way or the other?)

The bottom line is that, overwhelmingly, commenters opposed the ban.  No one in-the-know should be shocked by these results.  The reason for the strong opposition is twofold.

First, ATF has said on two separate occasions, in 2010 and then again in 2012, that bump stocks do not fit the definition of machine guns.  What’s changed between then and now?  Answer: Nothing.

Yeah, I know, some crazed lunatic allegedly had bump stocks on some of the weapons he used to shoot up a country music concert in Las Vegas last year  But none of that changes the mechanics of the system.  A bump stock is still a firearm part.  Not a machine gun.  Suggesting that its misuse by a murderous psychopath suddenly makes it one is like arguing that commercial airplanes should be classified as cruise missiles following 9/11.

SEE ALSO: Here’s Why ATF Approved Bump Stock But Not AutoGlove

Second, ATF reversing its stance on bump stocks would open up a huge can of worms.  It would set a precedent for the agency to act as a legislative body.  Because it would no longer be following the law, it would be making up the law.  That’s Congress’ job.  Not ATF’s.

The last thing we want is a rogue ATF that starts to reinterpret set standards on the heels of a national tragedy.  Could you imagine how that could be exploited by an anti-gun administration?  Thankfully, we have Trump in office to hold the line (or his kids, anyway).  But he’s not always going to be there nor will there always be a pro-2A president at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

What’s really vexing about this whole situation is that it’s the NRA’s doing.  The gun lobby called on the ATF to “immediately review whether these devices comply with federal law.”

“The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,” said the nation’s gun lobby in a statement back in October. NRA broadly supports the National Firearms Act, who knew?

So, now, here we are.  How ATF comes out on this is anyone’s guess.  They’re not bound by anything.  The agency could listen to the majority and keep things as they are.  Or, the agency could do what the NRA wants, defy logic and define bump stocks as machine guns.  We’ll have to wait and see.

About the author: S.H. Blannelberry is the News Editor of GunsAmerica.

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  • Carl Fabbri September 21, 2018, 2:36 pm

    I\’m a retired 33yr LE veteran. In my humble opinion, we already have a dizzying array of firearm legislation at all levels of govt. to more than adequately regulate them. If anything, there are too many redundant, vague, confusing and ambiguous laws such that law enforcement, attorneys, judges and scholars are constantly at odds with respect to their intent.This confusion is all the more intense for the average citizen, and too often brings an otherwise honest and law abiding individual into the realm of criminality. The general belief that \”ignorance is no excuse\” regarding law violations is fundamentally flawed when considering the ignorance of \”professionals\” who fail to grasp them in total.A rewrite and consolidation of existing codes with emphasis on concise, easily understood language is not just overdue, but a necessity.To the question of bump stocks, criminalizing them will have no effect on crime. Fully automatic firearms have been unlawful to acquire for years, except for existing registered \”old stock\”. This hasn\’t deterred determined criminals or reasonably mechanical minds from acquiring them from unlawful sources or making/ converting them. Ample evidence substantiates that it never will.Mass homicides are very emotional business. Everyone is quick to jump on the \”Blame Game\” bandwagon for a convenient expeditious fix, that in reality fixes nothing. Real cause and effect are too often deflected or ignored for various reasons. That, is the real tragedy.Incidents like the Las Vegas and Florida school shootings shocks our senses and rips our heart out. It\’s easy to blame an inanimate object as the root \”evil\” cause. \”If we just make it illegal, this will never happen again!\” As a professional, you know the falesy of this. The problem(s) are much more complex. Change will only come when we truly address them.In the meantime, we must all learn to be more vigilant and reactive to unusual, suspicious or disturbing signs of potential danger. That\’s not paranoia, but good common sense and awareness of our surroundings. Most seasoned LE have this quality. The public needs to learn as well.Bottom line, I believe that outlawing bump stocks is an effort in futility and remedies nothing. I don\’t have or need one, but I have no problem with others having them either. CF

  • Carl Fabbri September 21, 2018, 2:35 pm

    I’m a retired 33yr LE veteran. In my humble opinion, we already have a dizzying array of firearm legislation at all levels of govt. to more than adequately regulate them. If anything, there are too many redundant, vague, confusing and ambiguous laws such that law enforcement, attorneys, judges and scholars are constantly at odds with respect to their intent.

    This confusion is all the more intense for the average citizen, and too often brings an otherwise honest and law abiding individual into the realm of criminality. The general belief that “ignorance is no excuse” regarding law violations is fundamentally flawed when considering the ignorance of “professionals” who fail to grasp them in total.

    A rewrite and consolidation of existing codes with emphasis on concise, easily understood language is not just overdue, but a necessity.

    To the question of bump stocks, criminalizing them will have no effect on crime. Fully automatic firearms have been unlawful to acquire for years, except for existing registered “old stock”. This hasn’t deterred determined criminals or reasonably mechanical minds from acquiring them from unlawful sources or making/ converting them. Ample evidence substantiates that it never will.

    Mass homicides are very emotional business. Everyone is quick to jump on the “Blame Game” bandwagon for a convenient expeditious fix, that in reality fixes nothing. Real cause and effect are too often deflected or ignored for various reasons. That, is the real tragedy.

    Incidents like the Las Vegas and Florida school shootings shocks our senses and rips our heart out. It’s easy to blame an inanimate object as the root “evil” cause. “If we just make it illegal, this will never happen again!” As a professional, you know the falesy of this. The problem(s) are much more complex. Change will only come when we truly address them.

    In the meantime, we must all learn to be more vigilant and reactive to unusual, suspicious or disturbing signs of potential danger. That’s not paranoia, but good common sense and awareness of our surroundings. Most seasoned LE have this quality. The public needs to learn as well.

    Bottom line, I believe that outlawing bump stocks is an effort in futility and remedies nothing. I don’t have or need one, but I have no problem with others having them either. CF

  • Jeff Henson February 24, 2018, 6:34 pm

    Exactly when has any mass murder involved the use of a bump stock, or for that matter a true fully automatic assault rifle, which are already illegal to own without the proper license? I only remember one shooting that involved the use of fully automatic assault rifles. That occurred in the Los Angeles area (that already has some of the strictest gun laws in the country) years ago when two men robbed a bank and had a shoot out with law enforcement as they tried to escape. Both were killed by the cops.
    Banning any firearm or any add-on will not save a single life. It will only lead us one step closer to eventual gun confiscation. I hope the president will reconsider this before it’s too late.

  • Gandalf February 23, 2018, 7:05 am

    Ye gods! A year or so ago, I ponied up for a reduced cost NRA life membership. Had I known this bumpstock thing was on the horizon, I would of never done that. I was a GOA member for some time, but let my membership lapse thinking it would be better to support the bigger organization. Man! I think it’s time to reevaluate a lot of my previous thinking. I’m gettin’ damn tired of watching these these corrupt, greedy, two-faced, lying SOBs back there in the Potomac swamp naw away my rights (and I don’t mean just the 2A) bit by bit. But ya know…after watching the divide that’s been developing in this country since the Viet Nam War, I’m, sadly, not surprized. Moreover, I’m going to make a prediction: If the present trends continue, CW II will begin within the next generation, unless of course WW III pre-empts it. This nation appears to me to be going the way of the former Yugoslavia and it scares the Hell out of me. Just sayin’.

  • ejharb February 15, 2018, 8:48 am

    The nra is like a family member who has had a long illness.do we try to help them cure it.ignore it or shoot them.I pick cure and being a voting member i will be apart of that! Hope you join me.

    God bless 2af and goa! They are fantastic.but the nra lives in the heads of our want to be tyrants like a cancer! Let’s grow it!

  • Patrick McWilliams February 10, 2018, 3:36 pm

    Arguing over such terms as “assault rifle” or “semiautomatic’ vs “full-automatic” with our enemies is a waste of time. Their goal is to take all our guns and the freedom to use them for recreation or self preservation. Six months ago Nanci Polosi and Chuck Schumer didn’t know what a “bump stock” was. Now they want to find some way to ban them. Just because they have some relation to the evil “gun”. The mechanical features and functions they neither understand nor care about.

  • Dan February 10, 2018, 2:14 pm

    Our efforts should be focused on influencing the NRA, not defunding it! We need an organization with considerable resources and a team of diplomats capable of dealing with political types. The individuals best suited for that role are not necessarily like us, and probably don’t think or speak like us, but we must demand that they remember who they work for! “Together we stand – divided we fall!”

    …Our government enacted legislation to make fully automatic weapons illegal to own by private citizens unless properly licensed. If we are opposed to that legislation, then we should work to influence it, not support devices that were obviously designed to circumvent existing laws because that hurts our credibility!

    …President Trump is not one of us, and if one of his advisors tells him it is in his best interests to oppose us, he will be Tweeting like a teenage girl on the dangers of firearms. “Us and Them” polarization allows politicians on both sides of the aisle to get away with representing corporate interests while we are fighting among ourselves over hot bed issues that they know will never be fully resolved.

    …Until our government is willing or able to protect us from violence, they should not be preventing us from securing and possessing the means to protect ourselves! Prohibitions against explosive devices and fully automatic weapons seem reasonable however since there will always be a segment of any population that is mentally unstable.

    …Reciprocity of concealed carry rights across state lines should be a given as long as the state of origin has equal licensing requirements, and this is where the problem may lie. Those requirements should be standardized across the entire country to eliminate one of the logical arguments against reciprocity.

    …About six years ago, I lost over $10k of firearms and firearms related items from an isolated storage facility with faulty cameras. I told the investigating detective that I was wondering what would have happened if I had come to my storage unit while the burglary was in process. He said, “that would not have been good! These guys would be facing life in prison for breaking into your safe!”

    … My Father, rest his soul, was a quick draw shooter back in the 1950’s, so I was introduced to handguns at a very early age, but up to that point had not ever carried concealed, despite having passed our local CPL class. When I mentioned that to the officer, he said something along the lines of, “I would encourage all honest citizens to carry because by the time we get to a crime, it’s to do paperwork!”

    …When a liberal minded individual speaks out against firearms, be prepared to defend your right in a friendly intelligent manner. You may not be able to influence him or her, but you may be able to convince their audience! The saying that a Liberal once mugged becomes a Conservative, and a Conservative once arrested becomes a Liberal has been proven to be true in many cases, and the protection of our Second Amendment Rights depends upon our collective ability to influence others by finding common ground rather than digging in our heels!

    • Dan February 10, 2018, 2:19 pm

      Sorry for the double posting! PC froze and rebooted – thought comment was lost, so retyped it.

    • ejharb February 15, 2018, 8:56 am

      Had me most of the way until the “current restrictions on automatic weapons is reasonable” if I strolled into the Dennys with a cut down 870 loaded with oo buck or a uzi.you would not know the difference afterward.indeed we need to stand together to restore and defend freedom! Not be happy with the current infringements.

  • Leonard Feinman February 9, 2018, 3:26 pm

    I just question the validity of this sort of survey. Because of who the questions are directed to, you always find your statistics are weighted. Most gun people know that we are over-regulated, to begin with, There is no way to make any valid complaints nor does anybody in government respond. They will wind up doing what they want.
    The BATF&E was started as a regulatory agency but has become an enforcement one instead. And, as any governmental agency, it must continually justify itself.

  • Blue Dog February 9, 2018, 3:02 pm

    The author himself said that the bump stock is a “firearm part” and is therefore not a machine gun. How is that different than an M-16 sear or carrier or any of the other select-fire specific parts? They are, after all, just gun parts. They are incapable of fully automatic fire unless they are installed on a rifle in the same way that a bump stock cannot simulate fully automatic firearm until it is installed on a rifle. Indeed, sir, “just a firearm part” is not defence. Firearm parts are already prohibited by the NFA and bump stocks and pistol braces should be on that list as well.

    • S.H. Blannelberry February 9, 2018, 3:11 pm

      The short answer is that the NFA is squirrely and illogical.

      The longer answer is that some “firearm parts” (under the layman’s definition) are indeed restricted as “machine guns” if they meet certain criteria per the NFA. Read my article on the difference between the AutoGlove and Bump Stocks. It attempts to shed some light on this vexing issue.

      • Dave Hicks February 10, 2018, 9:48 am

        What about the NRA is NOT the NRA our friend ? The NRA has backed most if not all the ATF firearm bills. The 1968 GCA also the 1986 act .So what about the NRA ?

    • ejharb February 15, 2018, 9:05 am

      Tell us blue dog! What human right you like that we can advocate for its abolition?people like you giving aid and comfort to the enemy are why we have our current situation.
      If you like liberty,fight for it with no compromise. Or let our want to be dictators pick it apart like a road killed deer.

    • Zhing Pao March 28, 2018, 6:20 pm

      AGAIN…WHY SHOULD PISTOL BRACES OR SHOULDER STOCKS BE ON THE NFA BANNED LIST?,BOTH ARE DESIGNED TO ENHANCE THE ACCURACY OF THE PISTOL,I ASSUME YOU HAVE NOTHING AGAINST ACCURACY WHEN OPERATING A FIRE ARM DO YOU? RANDOM BULLETS HAVE A WAY OF MISSING THEIR TARGETS AND KILLING INNOCENT BYSTANDERS…LOL!

  • Norm Fishler February 9, 2018, 12:39 pm

    Today’s NRA is nothing but the logical conclusion of where it’s been going for the last five or six decades. All the new blood that they’ve been so proudly showcasing is naught but window dressing. Sad but true, the NRA has developed a single skill set and honed it to a fine edge to the exclusion of all others. That skill is fund raising. Time for another Cincinnati ’77 backlash that set the NRA back on the right path for an all too brief period of time. After the disgraceful spectacle I witnessed at the NRA convention in Seattle in (I think) 1983 or 1984, the NRA and I parted company, never again to re-converge. “Ran out of ballots . . . ?” Really? G. Ray Arnette” handily voted in as NRA Prez? This was the same NRA President who was busted just months later with a boat full of ducks. And still, through it all, the NRA old guard maintained its vice-like grip on the organization. My pro-gun dollars will continue to go elsewhere.

  • Silverbullet February 9, 2018, 12:31 pm

    Pretty bad when the NRA members start attacking them and quitting over one statement on bump stocks . This organization has been leading the fight for about 100 years . So good of you to quit the fight , exactly what the lib dems want , first stir up trouble and breakdown the group. I’m sure the NRA was trying to bend on that issue to help move tuffer issues along . Like reciprocity , so when they can’t keep up the fight and you lose your 30 rnd mags and then the 15 rnd mags . You’ll be happy right , don’t start crying when it happens cause it will.
    I’m in the communist state NJ , Our great tub of lard governor kicked us in the balls here. He passed the no bumpstock on his way out. Fat boy will never be republican backed for anything but he knew that.
    So good idea guys stop helping the fight , go cry about a novelty ,, how many of you crybabies even own one . Not many I bet , I even bet the ones here carrying on aren’t even NRA members just planted lib cry babies.

    • Eray February 9, 2018, 3:06 pm

      I own one and yes, I WAS a member and YES I dumped NRA for that one statement. My donations which were significant will go elsewhere. Those are facts and is a problem NRA may or not be able to overcome. Some NEVER go back to a partner who cheated.
      P.S. Thank you pro-second “non-bump stock owners” who supported my right to have one.

    • Rick February 9, 2018, 3:13 pm

      Not one more inch!!! The NRA did not hold the Line! What part of infringement do you not understand? The serious pro 2A people in America say we aren’t going along to get along! Not one more inch!!!

    • Jim Burgess February 9, 2018, 5:37 pm

      You are aware that the NRA is arguably not trying to WIN the fight, but prolong it so they can continue to have a reason to raise money on the fear of new 2A infringements? Never mind that the NRA has signed off on most of the current infringements, and they are asking the ATF to legislate, a clear violation of the Constitution’s separation of powers?

      • mtman2 February 23, 2018, 3:48 am

        Or some terrorist drove thru a crowded restaurant with a loaded stolen 10 wheeler dumptruck(20ton gravel @60k gross) at 80mph killing and maiming 100’s of people then what……ban trucks?
        Your absolutely right- guns are not the problem ….
        Even the former president GWB said a person is willing to trade his life to kill me nothing could stop’em from it.
        The definition of crazy is- they’re crazy- and it won’t go away or change.
        Commonsense needs to prevail in peoples perspective and individual lives as well as collectively.

      • mtman2 February 23, 2018, 3:49 am

        Absolutely on the money…

    • ejharb February 15, 2018, 9:08 am

      Mr jersey,I hope you move soon.
      You thought crispy cream was bad. You’re fixing to see bad.your new governor despises your human rights.in reality we all need to move to a few bordering states near a coast because 1861 is coming back.

  • Thomas E Drake February 9, 2018, 11:21 am

    I do not believe your findings !

  • krinkov545 February 9, 2018, 11:01 am

    Your average Congress critter or senator is barely competent enough to dump piss out of a boot, now you clown college rejects in the batfe making up laws?

  • Michael February 9, 2018, 11:00 am

    I wasted a lot of money over the years on the NRA (I now wish I had taken my NRA Life Membership and all the “Legislative Action” monies and other contributions I have made and given them to the GOA instead). It has been aggravating to watch the NRA compromise and kneel at the alter of all the alphabet federal agencies the past several years, but, a lesson learned (can you say “Waco?”). And now I continue to receive daily calls from NRA members who have been pressed into service by the NRA to beg for funds. I am reaching the limit on the number of phone numbers I can block!
    Anyway, it is just frustrating to see what the NRA has become. And what about legislation for reciprocity on concealed carry? I guess all our RINOS and President Trump have forgotten about that one?

  • Stan d. Upnow February 9, 2018, 10:50 am

    For me, this is a two-sided issue. I understand the argument against them, and partly agree with it. No one really Needs a bump-stock. On the other hand, the author makes the good point that it’s not up to BATF to make the rules. Also, the hysterical rush by the gun-banners to scream for new anti-this & anti-that regulations is unrelenting every time One nutjob uses something to commit a crime. Of course, it’s ALWAYS the gun’s fault, not the individual, according to them.

    I oppose the ban simply because I view it as just another peg in the hole of gun control. It fits nicely with the idiots’ previous bans on “assault weapons,” hi-cap mags, flash hiders, ventilated handguards, pistol grips, adjustable butt stocks, etc..
    Giving-in to this will only whet their appetite for more BS bans.(I just got a newsletter from my Congressman calling for a reinstatement of the Clinton-era gun bans).

  • joey g February 9, 2018, 10:27 am

    Atf being a legislative body… taking notes out of the RCMP handbook

  • Russ February 9, 2018, 10:21 am

    I could buy one.I don’t needier want one.I like to enjoy my shooting.

  • mauser6863 February 9, 2018, 10:13 am

    The 2% comments are pretty easy to figure out, as they as posted by our crazies and their crazies:

    Pro Gun Version: I know you are all part of the Illuminati and you have no right to exist or tell a sovereign citizen what to do. If I want Nuclear Weapons, I should be able to have them. Beside your whole agency and 71% of the government is unconstitutional and against the teachings of our Lord. Focus on building the wall and make sure you put some around California too, as they keep escaping and moving to good states to ruin them. Love and Kisses, Mickey Mouse

    Anti-Gun Version: So like I was feeling that if we really want world peace we need to get rid of all guns. In my dream, the government would just ask really really nice for everyone to get along. If that doesn’t work, please send heavily armed men to everyone’s house and just take away all the bad guns, to save the lives of children and my 4 cats. If you need to shoot anybody, please aim for their leg or arm or shoot the gun outta their hands, like in the movies. Remember its O.K. to kill for peace and the Goddess will forgive and celebrate you for trying to make a difference. P.S. Please check my neighbors first, as they look at me weird sometimes. Love and some more extra LOVE, Sommer Zappa Moonbeam (no relation to governor Moonbeam).

    • Peregrine February 9, 2018, 11:20 am

      LOL, nice to see someone commenting with a sense of humor and an appreciation for the disconnects on both sides.

    • JoeUSooner February 9, 2018, 11:21 am

      Thank You!!! I laughed til I was blue in the face! Thanks for brightening my morning.

  • Eric C February 9, 2018, 10:08 am

    Most of the responders, here and to the request for public comment, seem to be under the misapprehension that the govt. is asking for your opinion – It is not. It is really asking for reponders to point out legal objections, or statutory conflicts or vague language or other meaningful comment or critique.
    The number breakdown at the top of this column is meaningless and only show the distribution of people that are motivated to respond, and as we all know, complainers love to complain. This means that no one in govt. takes these opinions seriously since they do not reflect the mood of the population in general – to get an idea of that you need to conduct a poll or survey.
    Welcome to the shady number game Blannelberry.

    • Stan d. Upnow February 9, 2018, 10:56 am

      Well Eric, it seemed to have some effect when BATF solicited public comment on 5.56 Green Tip ammo, didn’t it?

  • William Lynn February 9, 2018, 10:05 am

    Bump stocks may be fun but what actual uae do they have? You can’t rapid fire at any range I know of unless it’s one of the approved range owned guns. All they really do is help you burn through a bunch of money fast, make you look cool to the immature, and shorten the life of the gun. Anyone wants to fire on full auto go to a range that rents them and waste your money. I’m all for 2A but bump stocks are just cool and stupid with no real use. The challenge at shooting is in the grouping not in making noise and spending tons of money in the process.

    • SeaRick February 9, 2018, 11:00 am

      You will think differently if there is a societal breakdown and the SHTF. IMHO

      • Dwayne W Morton February 9, 2018, 11:52 am

        Would you want to burn through your precious ammo stock in a situation like that?

    • Deadmeat99 February 9, 2018, 11:36 am

      What are these “ranges” you speak of? Move to a free state where you can find an open spot of remote land and enjoy shooting free of idiot rangemasters and silly rules. That’s who bump stocks are made for. Enjoy shooting, that’s the point.

    • Jim Burgess February 9, 2018, 5:43 pm

      You’re missing the point if you think that it’s OK to ban these things because they’re stupid, especially when the focus really won’t be on bump stocks, but any number of vaguely-defined “rate increasing devices”, which really means “we want to ban semiautomatic firearms”.

  • Rich February 9, 2018, 9:23 am

    BATF = Bureaucrats for the Absolute Termination of Freedom, aka the Gestapo branch of the US Treasury Department.

    • Stan d. Upnow February 9, 2018, 10:58 am

      Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms………so who’s bringing the potato chips?

  • JJ February 9, 2018, 8:45 am

    If you want real change, wise up and support the (Gun Owners of America), “no compromise”.

  • Charles Kimberl February 9, 2018, 8:10 am

    You can bet the ATF really gives a hoot about what we have to say.

    • deanbob February 9, 2018, 10:23 am

      Ditto! They probably are required to solicit & post the public’s input, not follow it.

    • mauser6863 February 9, 2018, 10:25 am

      Well they did when Obama was president. The BATFE attempted to ban M855 ammo and reclassify it as “Armor Piercing”. After reviewing all the public comments they backed down and our rights were preserved.

      Citizens have a right and a moral duty to petition their government. To claim your voice doesn’t matter and to do nothing, is what the enemy counts on.

      The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. – Edmund Burke

      • Stan d. Upnow February 9, 2018, 10:59 am

        Spot on!

  • Cyrus February 9, 2018, 7:25 am

    I could give a Rat’s Ass about the banning of bump stocks. Anyone who circumvents our current laws against possessing a weapon capable of firing fully automatic or as close to that as can be done with a bump stock is No Friend to our cause! We need to appear rational in order to survive! Why give the Fucking left more ammunition to destroy us? Answer me this!

    • Dustin Eward February 9, 2018, 9:09 am

      Begone, backstabber.

    • Ronald ingram February 9, 2018, 9:11 am

      Hey Cyrus, how bout you go back and actually read paragraphs 7 and 8.

    • Rich February 9, 2018, 9:26 am

      Ever heard the term, “slippery slope”? Next thing, they will be trying to ban “high capacity” (actually, “normal” capacity) magazines, because “nobody NEEDS to have that many shots without reloading, except military or our increasingly militarized cops”. Eventually, if the leftists and their Gestapo-wannabe enforcers have their way, we’ll be back to single-shot flintlocks for personal defense because “those are the guns our Founding Fathers meant – they couldn’t have anticipated the leaps in technology that have led to those ‘evil assault weapons’.” Give the totalitarians an inch, and they’ll take the whole nine yards.

      • Stan d. Upnow February 9, 2018, 11:06 am

        Rich, they haven’t just “tried” to ban hi-cap mags; they did once, and they’ve been after that again ever since it went away. Don’t you remember the hearings on gun control led by one Sen. Feinstein after Sandy Hook? They had a long list of guns to be banned on cosmetic features and because they were semi-auto.

    • jeff February 9, 2018, 9:55 am

      Cyrus, You wouldn’t happen to be, yet another gun control shill, masquerading as a good guy, right? Scat!

    • mauser6863 February 9, 2018, 10:31 am

      Cyrus is right, Bump Stocks are stupid.

      Let’s repeal the illegally passed 1986 ban on new civilian machine guns and the Unconstitutional 1934 Gun Control Act. This way, everyone can get the guns they really want, fully automatic, select fire weapons. Enough of this clone and semi-auto only nonsense. Either the Constitution means what it says or it doesn’t. No other enumerated right is protected by the phrase, “Shall Not be Infringed”.

      • Stan d. Upnow February 9, 2018, 11:12 am

        Well, before the NFA, it was legal to possess full-autos, yet nobody went berserk and shot-up nightclubs, schools, or concerts. It’s the Person, not the implement.

    • deanbob February 9, 2018, 10:31 am

      Cyrus, using your logic, should semi autos also be banned? Have you seen the demo that illustrates how quickly an experienced semi auto owner can fire, change mags, and resume firing? Compare that rate to a revolver?

      • Stan d. Upnow February 9, 2018, 11:16 am

        I’ve seen some guys shoot SA revolvers as quickly as semi-autos. Granted, they are a rare breed.

    • SeaRick February 9, 2018, 11:05 am

      Look up the term “Pandora’s Box’ & “slippery slope” & “give an inch take a mile” then see if you want to post such a Gruber stupid statement, Judas

    • Scott in Atlanta February 9, 2018, 1:06 pm

      Your lack of understanding regarding: a) principles; b) not giving an inch to those who take inches and turn them into miles; c) the illustrious history of “working with our opposition”, i.e. our enemies, and what it has gotten us; d) the harmlessness of a device that can be duplicated, replicated, copied in any number of ways, thereby rendering its banning useless and moot; e) the underlying intention of all bills introduced supposedly to ban “bump stocks” but actually banning semi-automatic weapons, magazines, etc. – is appalling. Please leave the conversation to those who understand the serious, potentially devastating consequences to the 2nd Amendment this ridiculous ban would pose.

    • Gandalf February 23, 2018, 6:49 am

      Father, forgive him for he knows not what he says.

  • Jay February 9, 2018, 7:18 am

    Yes, the NRA did indeed say back in October 2017 “The NRA believes that devices designed to allow semi-automatic rifles to function like fully-automatic rifles should be subject to additional regulations,” I wrote them in response to that comment and never heard back from my email. I wrote. In response to your statement on the Bump Stock devices, quoted above, I will no longer contribute one single red penny to any part of the NRA and it’s branches. If a proper response from the NRA is not aired in the next few months I suspect many more will follow! The NRA I know has done a lot of good over the years but the lame statement they made has shown some thought process that we as Constitution backers, patriots and 2nd amendment supporters do not need! We need to call them out on their mistake and get it corrected!

  • Davron February 9, 2018, 3:55 am

    Of course the NRA supports gun control of all forms. That has been their goal the entire time. They throw bones to their members at times, but all those phone calls they make to you to beg for more money wouldn’t be possible if they hadn’t been so careful to manage gun control and opinion. They are just like every other political organization.

    • Scott in Atlanta February 9, 2018, 1:09 pm

      Exactly right. They leave us high and dry in Georgia, supporting horrible bills that masquerade as “2nd Amendment bills” but are nothing of the sort, then give crooked con-men politicians who despise the 2nd A+ ratings. And when the members try to corner them and make them justify their ratings, they ignore them and continue their little sham. Disgusting. Thanks to GOA for the fine work they do.

  • Mr. Scott February 9, 2018, 3:44 am

    I completely agree with Mark. I’m done feeding the NRA my money when they can’t STAND AND FIGHT for me and with me. I’m done wearing their t-shirts, I’m finished with their silly subscriptions. When the magazines stop coming, that’s it, no more. I’m moving on to other organizations that will not waiver when it comes to the 2nd Amendment. It’s a disappointment I cannot get over, and it will forever stain the NRA until the current leadership is removed.

  • Tom February 9, 2018, 2:30 am

    It is perplexing and disturbing that the NRA would take the position they did with President Trump in office.

    It’s almost like they were doing a bad Bill Ruger impersonation when he proposed the 10 round mag fiasco.

    Is this the cost of having the NRA trying to get national reciprocity approved?

  • Mark February 8, 2018, 4:35 pm

    The NRA supports the NFA! LaPierre needs to go. They won’t be getting one more dime from me. What part of “shall not be infringed” does the top brass at the NRA not understand?

    • Tj 2000 February 9, 2018, 4:51 am

      EXACTLY…… I have been saying that the NRA has abandoned us for sometime now. They are like a small union, then they get big with a lot of money and BAM, they side with the government. They need new leadership and head back to what made them great “US”.
      Tj

    • Dr. Strangelove February 9, 2018, 6:20 am

      Vote him out, then.

    • Mark February 9, 2018, 7:05 am

      DITTO…

    • Christopher Sourp February 9, 2018, 7:29 am

      Good comment Sir. Not one dime from me either. Though they are constantly begging me. I’m done with them.

    • Dr Motown February 9, 2018, 7:50 am

      Big yawn…go start your own gun rights organization and we’ll see how effective you are

    • Charles Kimberl February 9, 2018, 8:11 am

      Well said. As a life member of the NRA, I get more action from GOA.

    • joe February 9, 2018, 8:33 am

      It’s not really LaPierre so much that the NRA has never been for the real purpose of the 2nd. They threw us under the bus in the 1986 machine gun ban and Practically wrote the 1934 NFA act.

      • Dave Hicks February 10, 2018, 9:52 am

        joe You are SO RIGHT ,I mean correct !

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