ATF Seizes Customer Data from Gun Company, Uses It to Confiscate Guns and Raid Home of California Firefighter

The case could have implications for 80% receiver and arm brace owners.

A fire captain in California has been charged with multiple felonies after the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives raided his home in July of 2019 looking for a device that supposedly converts a Glock handgun into a machine gun.

During the course of the raid, agents discovered the Glock conversion devices, but they also found 19 firearms that violated California’s ban on “assault weapons,” four AR-10 lower receivers, and two AK-47 lower receivers, along with numerous illegal “high-capacity” magazines.

The ATF only knew to search the home of Capt. Derik Oakes because they obtained customer data from the company that manufactured the Glock conversion devices, JNC Manufacturing. Even though the ATF determined in 2012 that JNC’s product did not count as a “machine gun,” they reversed that decision in 2018 and launched an investigation.

Oakes and his attorneys are arguing that the search warrant—along with the evidence it uncovered—should be thrown out because the ATF did not properly inform the public about their reversal nor provide evidence proving Oakes purchased the device after the 2018 determination.

“Particularly relevant to this motion is that upon BATFE’s 180-degree change in position, i.e. the JNC kits were not machineguns according to the BATFE one day, and the next day they were, is that the BATFE utterly refused or failed to provide any notice of the kind to the public,” Oakes’ attorneys wrote in their motion to suppress unlawfully seized evidence.

The case has serious implications for gun owners in light of the ATF’s proposed rule changes on 80% receivers and arm braces. Like in Oakes’ case, the ATF could obtain customer data from 80% receiver companies, arm brace companies, or companies that used arm braces on their firearms, to harass law-abiding gun owners and look for additional violations of state and federal gun law.

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The ATF claims that agents tried to reach Oakes and his attorneys prior to obtaining the search warrant in order to seize the Glock conversion kits. But Oakes claims that the agents never explained precisely what they were looking for and asked that Oakes surrender his “machinegun.”

“This misleading statement resulted in a magistrate judge unlawfully issuing a search warrant based on misrepresentations which evidence a reckless disregard for the truth and omissions by Agent Bietz,” Oakes’ lawyers write. “A warrant must be based on accurate information, not ambiguity and misrepresentations. The breach of those requirements requires suppression of the fruits of the warrant.”

Oakes’ attorneys are also pushing for a deal that would reduce their client’s charges to misdemeanors. Oakes has never been in trouble with the law, and multiple firefighters submitted testimony vouching for his high character. Oakes also argues that he did not know his rifles were illegal due to the complexity of California’s gun control regime.

“There is no allegation that Mr. Oakes posed a threat to anyone or anything, nor is there a victim or harmed party in this case,” his lawyers write in court documents. “Instead, this case derives solely from shockingly complex, draconian and arguably unconstitutional firearm statutes created by our beloved politicians in Sacramento.”

Oakes would be allowed to keep his job with a misdemeanor conviction, but he would still have to destroy all of his illegal firearms.

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“Obviously, any offer would involve destruction of any kind of assault weapons, contraband, things of that nature, so they wouldn’t be returned to him,” Miles Perry, the deputy district attorney, told The Sacramento Bee.

Gun rights groups are following the case, and some believe the state will pursue a plea deal out of fear the Supreme Court will strike down California’s “assault weapon” ban.

“I think if you’re a prosecutor in California, and you’re continuing to try to imprison people for peaceful conduct for possession of assault weapons, you’d better think twice,” Brandon Combs, president of the Firearms Policy Coalition, told The Bee.

For now, Oakes plans to keep closer tabs on California’s ever-changing gun laws.

“I learned real fast from my event that the only way you’re going to actually know what is correct is to talk to legal counsel,” Oakes said. “Many people think they’re doing the right thing, and they find out in the flip of a switch: Oh, no, that’s entirely wrong.”

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About the author: Jordan Michaels has been reviewing firearm-related products for over six years and enjoying them for much longer. With family in Canada, he’s seen first hand how quickly the right to self-defense can be stripped from law-abiding citizens. He escaped that statist paradise at a young age, married a sixth-generation Texan, and currently lives in Tyler. Got a hot tip? Send him an email at

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  • Firegoat02 July 8, 2021, 1:30 pm

    West Virginia just became a 2A sanctuary state.
    We don’t pay sales tax on firearms or ammo, no fed firearm laws, passed since 1-2020 will be inforced. Anyone that helps the feds locate or arrest a citizen for a gun law passed after that date, can be imprisoned, and fined $3600. (Not limited to ). I feel that my state has my back. If I were you, I would pay much closer attention to your State governments, because if your state passes something unconstitutional, it’s supposed to be the Federal Government that corrects that for you. But if the Federal Government passes unconstitutional laws, then it is the State’s responsibility to correct it.
    And what do you do if the State and the Feds are against you?

  • John C Mullendore July 7, 2021, 6:40 pm

    Tom, Jerry, hey tom and jerry, hope you all have a great day you traitor bastards, know what the 2nd amendment is? It has not been tried by the supreme court, it will be, if you read the story or even cared about the second amendment, you would see what happens, California does not want the case heard by the supreme court as their assault weapons ban will be deemed unconstitutional. Defund the police, but lets start in California. Murder is up, crime is up, rampant inflation. Biden is such a loser, please all second amendment cases should be heard by the supreme court. Libtards are just so stupid, and the one in Calibuttfuckers good luck with your gangs. Can’t wait to see how you enjoy life. hahahahha.

  • Phred July 5, 2021, 9:12 am

    Orwellian predictions are here.

  • Ej harbet July 4, 2021, 2:32 pm

    They’re getting ready to pass more laws to persecute us with.time to speak against them and if they pass resist them vigorously.OR BECOME THE SLAVE YOU WERE BORN TO BE

  • Stan d. Upnow July 3, 2021, 9:52 pm

    And this is happening without Chipman heading the ATF. Can you imagine what will occur if that POS gets in?

  • Dan White July 3, 2021, 10:40 am

    And you wonder why people are leaving the Communist state of California. Just DON’T come to Texas.

  • James Morrison July 3, 2021, 8:29 am

    Article I, Section 9, Clause 3:

    No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

    • Jack September 22, 2022, 10:23 pm

      I was waiting to hear someone say that. Oakes cannot be prosecuted for what he did BEFORE the “law” happened. And secondly, why are his lawyers arguing as if these ATF rules are law. What is wrong with his lawyers???? Because people and Bar lawyers are letting the ATF get away with creating “laws,” which they have no authority to do, they will just keep doing it and doing it, until there are no guns, the illegal immigrants are an army pointing your guns at you, and the ATF will then make a rule about your thoughts, give themselves a raise, and become supreme thought police. Why? Because they can. No one stopped them for their everchanging rules, which the people treated and obeyed as if they were laws.

  • Grant Stevens July 2, 2021, 5:33 pm

    “Shall not be infringed.” These federal alphabet agencies are not codified in the United States Constitution and therefore have no legal authority over American citizens. Congress has created and continues to build a Big Brother bureaucracy that is usurping our hard-won Bill of Rights. We trust these federal agencies at our own peril.

  • Beavis July 2, 2021, 4:21 pm

    Time to defund the ATF. Email your reps and senators

  • GrayGhost July 2, 2021, 1:36 pm

    Brings to mind “Minority Report”; we just took ten steps closer to that day.

  • George Demers Jr. July 2, 2021, 12:27 pm

    Why don’t they allow him to sell his guns to a person in a state that allows these weapons? Let him recoup some of his $. I’d be interested in taking a look at what he has if they were for sale!!

    • Stan d. Upnow July 3, 2021, 9:55 pm

      Are you asleep? Don’t you get it? They want all “weapons of war” off our “streets.” You are Damn lucky to ever get a confiscated firearm returned.

      • Jack September 22, 2022, 10:29 pm

        Oh they want them on our streets, just not in your hands. Illegal immigrants, mostly men, make a great army. They eat, you don’t.

  • oldfuzz695 July 2, 2021, 12:03 pm

    I may or may not have firearms. I may or may not have them registered with any government agency that charges a fee to register, including a CCW in my state that requires a fee. The 2nd Amendment is very clear. “shall not be infringed”, and I don’t give a damn about states like Californoa where the citizens are too weak to stop this unconstitutional act. I left that stinkhole in 1975 and never regretted the move. God bless Texas.

    • Doc Loch July 2, 2021, 4:09 pm

      All well and good, until you are tracked down by the gestapo with help from your very best friends and any stores, banks, or business that turns you in. The real question is: When does the fight for freedom begin anew? It won’t, because Joe Biden was right. No one dares take on even the agencies let alone the military.

    • Mike July 2, 2021, 8:30 pm

      I may or may not agree with your point but: “The 2nd Amendment is very clear. “shall not be infringed””
      It also says: “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech”
      And yet we have laws that do just that. There are reasonable limits that can be put on our rights. If this is one of them … probably not.

    • Shanz July 3, 2021, 1:37 pm

      So when commy Ass lib tards destroy Texas in a few years it’s because you guys were too weak? You should visit some of the Northern California counties. I think you will find we are not like you think. LA, the Gay area and Sac decide everything for the whole state. Same thing will happen to other states. Including your beloved Texas. I hear Austin is nice…

  • Zupglick July 2, 2021, 11:45 am

    All I see is more money for more lawyers. I hate lawyers almost as much as I hate politicians.

    • Edward M Pate July 2, 2021, 4:01 pm

      Everyone hates lawyers until they need one.

      • Armed and Dangerous July 5, 2021, 8:54 am

        Not exactly Edward. I’ve used lawyers that I despised. Most just take your money and know the outcome before the trial. I said most because I actually knew an honest lawyer who is now deceased. He died a broke man because he was so honest and trusted others.

    • swimmer July 2, 2021, 4:33 pm

      It is a little known medical fact that when an attorney takes viagra it makes him taller.

      • Armed and Dangerous July 5, 2021, 8:55 am

        Good one swimmer

  • bruce July 2, 2021, 11:34 am

    Ohmygod!! The ATF here has arrested a citizen for breaking the law, and him a fire captain, too! What are we coming to? And then they charged him again when they found he’d broken a lot of other laws also. What’s going on here? That’s like raiding some poor drug dealer’s house on a heroin warrant and finding he’s also got a big stash of blow hidden in his closet as well. I thought this was a free country. I’m glad we’ve got you guys to stand up for him.

    • Mike V July 2, 2021, 1:52 pm

      Could you possibly suck as a free man more than you do? How about you go brag about your fondness for boot leather somewhere else.

      Disgusting bro, days away from the 4th too.

      • Edward M Pate July 2, 2021, 4:02 pm

        Happy Treason Day! Ungrateful Colonial! LOL

      • Gregory Romeu July 2, 2021, 11:39 pm

        Couldn’t have said it better about the above traitor to freedom and liberty.

    • Tom July 2, 2021, 2:06 pm

      Another good example, though evidence proliferates on this list of intellectual geniuses, as to why some (most) people should be seen and not heard on issues about which they have little real knowledge, and a lack of desire to get into issues rather than just listen to the hateful, absurd, babbling morons on Fox.
      You analogy of raiding a heroin addict…etc. is idiotic – what the hell are you talking about and what point of law are you trying to present. You clearly are befuddled and have no concept of any points in the fireman’s arrest….so stay out of the arguments rather than jump in and make a total fool of yourself
      …..It’s like these constant balling fools mis-understanding the 2nd A and using words twisted to support their cause rather than trying to understand the intent and real meaning. Typical of those with limited cognitive abilities, but unlimited in using their big mouth’s to shout BS bad trying to support ridiculous, illogical, unsupportable arguments. (Lol, they learned from the ultimate, sick, lying mutha psycho Trump who screamed hate & bs w/o the slightest concern as to any semblance of truth or accuracy)
      Try thinking, people, BEFORE you say things that are just not true, totally illogical, totally misunderstood

      • Shanz July 3, 2021, 1:44 pm

        Yeah. Our economy is shit. Elections are shit. Everything is more expensive. Nobody wants to work because yay socialism. They teach and preach hate in our schools and institutions. We have considerably less freedom than we did just a year or two ago. But hey at least Trump isn’t mean on Twitter. I mean priorities right?

    • letcalhunt July 2, 2021, 5:32 pm

      The 2nd amendment prevents the government from taking our right to keep and bear arms. What amendment allows a drug dealer? You are the epitome of a Libretard.

    • John Boutwell July 3, 2021, 5:50 pm

      Seems as though you missed the point there sunshine, ATF says one thing one day then something else the next.
      Thinking may not be your strong suit son.

  • Oldwestman July 2, 2021, 11:33 am

    First of all why would you buy something like this that turns a pistol into a machine gun, you should know that machine guns are illegal unless you pay the $200.00 tax for a permit. Further more according to the 4th amendment The items searched for must be described accurately and only the things described in the warrant may be seized, therefore the ATF agents broke the law with an unconstitutional search and seizure of items not listed in the warrant. We the people are tired of a government that thinks itself above the law and the Constitution of The United States of America.

    • Michael Christensen July 2, 2021, 6:26 pm

      Just because you own it does not make it a machine gun. You use to be able to own them but the ATF changed the rules on these. You need to modify your slide to make it work. You can still own all the parts to make an AR-15 fully automatic and not get into trouble by the ATF. You get into trouble when you modify your lower receiver by drilling the third sear hole

      • Jrp July 5, 2021, 8:19 am

        Most Americans have forgotten that they are innocent until proven guilty. The government has turned our presumption of innocence into minority report. They are limiting our rights on what we might do. None of these rules and regulations affect them though. The people in our government are beyond reproach and have no need for such petty laws. They use and own all these items us serfs can’t be trusted with. Do as I say not as I do. When we no longer follow the constitution and we have the government and its agencies making and changing laws and regulations, which are not in the constitution, we live in a monarchy our forefathers so desperately fled. They hated big mean trump because he didn’t take their shit and gave it right back to them. Sticks and stones people. They are the only ones that can play dirty which is happening before our eyes.

  • Ed Schrade July 2, 2021, 11:18 am

    You know what this is leading up to don’t you. It’s not gonna be good.

  • Chastan July 2, 2021, 11:00 am

    The ATF needs to be disbanded. It is an incompetent criminal organization staffed by complete imbeciles…

  • Tommy Barros July 2, 2021, 10:24 am


  • Ken July 2, 2021, 9:50 am

    So glad I live in Texas. Wouldn’t live in CA if you gave me a free luxury home on the beach… and I am a Democrat.

    • Salmon July 2, 2021, 11:39 am

      Please leave and go to a democrat utopia, you’d fit in better like that. I wish people like you would stop trying to ruin this state for the rest of us. When (and demographially it’s a when) Beto or someone just like him gets in this state will be exactly the same as California, thanks to people like you and your friends that also vote democrat.

      t. Lifelong texan that can’t leave

      • Stan d. Upnow July 3, 2021, 10:08 pm

        Stop using the term “Democrat.” They are all Progressive-Socialists now.

        • Jack September 22, 2022, 11:30 pm

          You are too kind. A modern socialist wants to spread the wealth around. A Nazi, on the other hand, wants authoritarianism and totalitarianism, with a bunch of home raids, seizures, and false accusations. Welcome to Nazi reign of America.

    • JD July 2, 2021, 11:49 am

      Just wait a while, California’s coming to you because cancers spread when they’re allowed to.

    • Jim July 2, 2021, 1:18 pm

      If you are a Democrat, you are part of the problem.

    • BR549 July 4, 2021, 2:27 pm

      How, in the name of all that is holy, can you identify with the one party that is trying to take away your reason for even being in this group? I commend you for making it this far, but at some point, you’re going to have to come to grips with all the lies on the Left.

      At present, the Left in this country is too consumed with tearing down whatever Left-Right spectrum is necessary to maintain an economy based on capitalism. Instead, they are willing to throw it all away on some idyllic nose-candy of promises of rainbow and unicorns; firm in the erroneous belief that their ideology is just.

      The only reason that the elites chose the Democrat Party to work its agenda through was because the average liberal was too concerned with personal ideology and identity issues that ultimately left themselves gullible to manipulation.

  • Justin Cook July 2, 2021, 9:16 am

    I’ve come to a place where I’m just done. I’m not doing any more dances or gyrations for these criminals. All gun laws are unconstitutional. If they want to come arrest me that’s their prerogative, but I’m done trying to follow unconstitutional laws. Im going to have whatever weapon suits my fancy and I damned sure ain’t registering a danged thing.

    • KimberproSS July 2, 2021, 9:57 am

      There are a majority of gun owners out there with that same opinion. The founding fathers wrote the Bill of Rights to protect the citizens from the government. I would have loved to meet some of those forward thinking intelligent men. Now we fight to protect those rights as the government fights to limit or eliminate them. The founding fathers knew that would happen as well.

      • Ej harbet July 4, 2021, 2:49 pm

        I wish they’d either come at us or leave us alone and be commie elsewhere

    • Jack September 22, 2022, 11:33 pm

      The little secret is that they aren’t LAWS.

  • Robert Wyre July 2, 2021, 9:15 am

    What bothers me is these companies are turning over the records
    While I’m sure it’s court ordered to turn over the records
    How about one of these owners refused stood their ground
    Come on man (hehehe)
    How bout protecting your customers
    I mean even journalists when they were journalists refused to reveal their sources
    Just get Fawn Hall to shreds the documents
    We are being sold out by our supposedly elected officials and now by the people we support by buying their products
    Just sayin

    • KimberproSS July 2, 2021, 10:00 am

      The Jack Boots would then claim this FFL one of those fictitious illegal gun dealers that Biden is cracking down on to eliminate violence .

    • Ej harbet July 4, 2021, 2:52 pm

      Then when they came for me no one was left to stand.

  • Big Al 45 July 2, 2021, 9:13 am

    Since when are ATF agents capable or even allowed to enforce Cali Laws??????????
    High Cap mags are a STATE thing, Federal Agents don’t enforce those laws, nor are they allowed to.

    • Stan d. Upnow July 3, 2021, 10:10 pm

      Yeah, wondering the same thing.

  • Rob July 2, 2021, 8:49 am

    Gee, thanks, Donald Judas Trump. This happened on your watch — the same watch on which you illegally and unconstitutionally banned a gun accessory by edict.

    Thank you, Donald Judas, for returning the massive support you received from the RKBA/2A community with multiple slaps to the face.

    Thank you for not pushing any repeals of unconstitutional firearms “laws” during your tenure.

    Thank you for setting the precedent for Uncle Joe and Commie-Lah to think they can ignore the U.S. Constitution and act with the same abandon as you.

    • Phil Whitehead July 2, 2021, 10:13 am

      ATF was acting out of spite and against the Constitution WAY before President Trump’s Administration.
      Please don’t take these actions as his fault because these bastards have been reversing “decisions” and making their own “laws” for decades now. Key word, DECADES. Catch up with the rest of the world, will you?

      • JD July 2, 2021, 11:48 am

        Exactly. It was basically 4 years of insurrection by many top level officials throughout the federal government against the elected president because they desire control like the CCP has.

      • Rob July 2, 2021, 9:40 pm

        It is intellectually slothful to pick a side in Left-Right paradigm and criticize the opposition when they do wrong. The problem with that is turning a blind eye to the wrongdoing of those supposedly in philosophical agreement with oneself.

        There are two types of Trump Derangement Syndrome. There are those who reflexively criticize Trump no matter what he does, and there are those who refuse to criticize Trump at all no matter what he does — Trump Cultists. I do not fall into either one of those camps.

        That the BATFE has been constitutionally rogue for decades does not give Trump a pass on constitutional matters during HIS presidency. In a presidential administration, the buck stops with the president.

    • Ej harbet July 4, 2021, 2:55 pm

      Thanks for giving us blithering Biden the tard tyrant now shut up and enjoy you chains you enemy of liberty

  • Ej harbet July 2, 2021, 8:43 am

    The object is to part you from your evil tyranny destroying must take up fingerpainting. Until you are herded to the the collection vehicle. Arbeit won’t make you Frei.
    They want you to die.
    I have their finger right here.

  • Cam Kirmser July 2, 2021, 8:42 am

    I would suggest that Article I, Section IX, Clause 3 would be a defense against the hob-nail boots of the Gest – or, ATF.

    That clause reads, “No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.”

    Ex post facto means that no law shall be passed that criminalizes an act that was committed when the act was legal.

    • Retrocon July 2, 2021, 9:12 am

      The constitution also says that only congress can pass legislation.

      A bureaucracy has no legal right to be able to criminalize Something that congress did not criminalize. If a statute is so Open to interpretation, is should be stricken down as unconstitutional.

  • Nicholas July 2, 2021, 8:16 am

    The proper defense in law is to cite Miller v US, and the Militia statutes. Miller ruled that the purpose of the 2nd was to guarantee that Article I, § 8, Cls. 15 & 16 were enforced. The Militia statutes require an armed citizenry with weapons they themselves supply. And the folks who debated our Constitution said things like “Is not a well- regulated militia sufficient for every purpose of internal defense? And which of you, my fellow citizens, is afraid of any invasion from foreign powers that our brave militia would not be able immediately to repel?”
    What defense one might ask? The defense of all our rights could be an obvious response to anyone who is not a selfish and foolish person who believes that there would be no one desirous of destroying liberty.

  • Pete July 2, 2021, 7:22 am

    It’s pretty clear that the ATF and the Biden admin are making it up as they go. Where is the tipping point? The ATF needs to be dismantled. They are turning out to be Biden’s Gestapo.

  • Bryan Kelly July 2, 2021, 7:14 am

    People are going to start paying cash or buying cc and giving false address and names when ever possible. If it breaks the law or not, they cannot stop people from buying 80%. If you look on line for the blueprints you will find them, an anyone with excess to a c&c machine or 3D printer can download the program. There are millions of c&c machines and 3D printers out there, the same technology (computers) that is storing customers info is the technology that will drive people to just make their own with no proof of ever owning anything deemed illegal. Who ever is pushing this train down the tracks have no idea what they are pushing people to do to get what is assured to them by the 2 nd amendment. I do want to thank them though because they are pushing many 1000’s if not 100,000’s of people to make everything they are trying to outlaw underground and if they stop one person hundreds more will pop out. So I would just like to thank these people who oppose freedom , people are better off getting the equipment under ground with no way for the government to know what they own. 😁😁😁

  • Gaylord Miller July 2, 2021, 6:56 am

    It’s all about control gestapo is here

  • Trevor_Phillips July 2, 2021, 6:48 am

    None of my guns are registered to my actual address. So they’d have a hard time getting any of them.

    • Rick July 2, 2021, 9:20 am

      And how did you manage that? Inquiring minds want to know. 😏

      • Barry McCaulkiner July 2, 2021, 10:23 am

        You move to a new address, just like Captain Oakes should have done…outside of Commiefornia.

  • JOHN July 2, 2021, 6:14 am

    Leaving California would be a good move

  • Susan Goldberg July 2, 2021, 5:43 am

    This is just a practice run for the ATF. They will be doing more and more of these attacks on law abiding citizens. The Dems want to change the country to Communism and they can’t have arm citizens.

    • Winston July 2, 2021, 1:26 pm

      “The Dems want to change the country to Communism and they can’t have arm citizens.”

      Actually. they have been quite good at changing society into something unrecognizable for over 75 years.

      • Boss July 3, 2021, 10:32 am

        Especially in owr SCHOOLS!

  • Snowdin July 2, 2021, 4:59 am

    The FAKE Laws are unjust and Unconstitutional. The Commie agents conducting these raids need to have High Velocity Hot lead Injections between their eyes. “Assault Weapon” is improper English and a misnomer. Most people will not turn in or register anything and will become instant criminals. Several people need to surround these Commies and take them down when they Illegally enter a house as they have done.

  • Molove July 2, 2021, 4:04 am

    Atf tries to raid my place the will be met with more lethal resistance. They should bring a good supply of body bags because they will be leaving in them. 2nd Amendment ( ” the Right to Bear Arms Shall Not Be Infringed”) and I will defend that Constitutional Right like my fore fathers before me.. “Give me Liberty or Give me Death..”

  • Michael B July 1, 2021, 7:25 pm

    Why is no one condemning JNC? They profit off the sales of the Glock “kits” and then just turn over their customer info. Blast them on social media….

  • ro July 1, 2021, 2:38 pm

    ok, this device (conversion kit) may have been legally defined as machine gun and when approached by the ATF, the information about to whom they shipped the kit may be proper for them to request…..BUT

    I want to know, when a dealer like MidwayUSA (or any other sporting arms retailer) sells legal braces at a fire sale (because they don’t want to be caught with a bunch of inventory they are stuck with)….are they going to roll over and give the names of customers who purchased braces from them to the ATF….with, or without a fight.

    has anyone (retailer or mfg) been approached by the ATF to give up the names of customers that bought bump stocks?

  • Scott Puckett July 1, 2021, 9:51 am

    I wonder why the ATF, a Federal agency, was enforcing California state laws in regards to the bogus “assault weapon” and high capacity magazine bans in the People’s Soviet Republic of California. Those are not Federal violations. It is a perfect example of the ATF’s constant infringement of The 2nd Amendment rights. The ATF is the most anti-American law enforcement agency in the Federal Government. They are almost as political as the FBI, another corrupt Federal Law Enforcement Agency.

    • Mark July 2, 2021, 8:11 am

      You’re correct. And it’s even more interesting that ATF is enforcing California’s rules on firearms (which are arguably, at least, violative of the US Constitution) . . . . while California refuses to enforce the Fed’s rules on immigration (which are absolutely constitutional — immigration is one area where the Federal Government is supposed to legislate!).

    • DS July 2, 2021, 8:40 am

      Because they normally operate in a task force group comprised of state and local agencies as well as federal. Agents/officers don’t make laws, but they are certainly pressured to enforce them. I find it hard to believe this resident of California wasn’t aware of their very strict assault weapons and high capacity magazine laws. Maybe so, but we all know ignorance of the law doesn’t fly in court. We need to win these battles in court, not by threatening or trying to battle the agents/officers enforcing the laws.

      • Dave Emery July 2, 2021, 1:45 pm

        Wrong. We need to fight back with overwhelming force. Laws and lawyers are the reason infringement is happening to begin with and those unconstitutional laws are enforced by the ATF and others. They are complicit.

        • Shanz July 3, 2021, 1:52 pm

          Yup. Freedom is never free. It’s up to us to regain what’s been lost.

  • paul I'll call you what I want/1st Amendment June 30, 2021, 1:27 pm

    Wake up people it ain’t going to matter what you have, once biden’s task force starts hitting dealers they are going to get all the records (paper, computer, stone tablets) and come after all guns period. Think about this……they no longer say “assault rifle” it is now assault weapons!

  • Blue Dog (he/him) June 29, 2021, 1:54 pm

    Oh, this is funny. And I can come up with some thoughts that might burden the sleep of some January 6th types.

    Not only have I had an FFL myself but I have worked for FFL dealers. The next time you are thinking about buying a firearm from a retailer, check to see if they keep their A&D (acquisition and disposition) books on computer. Every major national chain does this and a lot of smaller chains and even individual stores are starting to. I worked for one particular regional chain of stores that kept their A&D books on computer. The records for all of these stores were kept together in a single program on a computer in another state. This particular program had a button whereby a user could e-mail all the records for all the firearms that had passed through this store’s A&D books to any e-mail on the internet. Serial numbers, home addresses, even phone numbers if the FFL collects such information. The main hub for this program had a similar button, where you could e-mail all the records for all the firearms sold through all of the stores in this chain. That button was not guarded by some fundamentalist 2nd amendment purist who was likely to demand a warrant before e-mailing this information to… the DOJ? ATF? Merrick Garland? Loretta Lynch? No, it was watched over by an IT flunkie, who would likely be pretty scared by a call from the ATF demanding such information. This chain sold AR-15s, AK-47s and other MSR assault rifles. What if one of the states with Democrat governors decides they need the records the way California did? Could they get records for other states that are less likely to knock on doors- Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas? What if the ATF listens to Beto O’rourke and decides to pick up AR-15s? They could have the records from this store in a matter of minutes.

    The thought of the government taking these weapons of war off of American streets doesn’t really bother me – nobody is really coming after my Winchester 94s and Model 12s – but I do know a lot of people that could have been bothered by this database. I did tip off more than a few friends and well-dressed strangers about this button. Any store that keeps their A&D records on computer probably could turn over their records quickly. A company like Academy, Gander, Big 5, Cabela’s, EZ Pawn, Attwoods, Dick’s… they all probably could turn over thousands of names and addresses quicker than David Chipman could read them.

    Before you respond telling me I live in a basement and offer myself as a rent boy, ask yourself – how many guns have I bought in the last 5 years from a store that could have kept their A&D books on computer?

    • Slim July 2, 2021, 4:52 am

      Who cares what you have to say you non pro 2a troll?! All you do is bother us REAL gun owners and spit hate and BS like you had an FFL or even worked for one as we who are your hilarious SHIM name already knows! Get this straight, NOBODY HERE LIKES YOU OR CARES A THING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY SHIM! Now clean your MOM’S basement before she gets home!

      • Punisher Six July 2, 2021, 6:33 am

        Slim, you are exactly correct.
        Saved me a lot of typing.

    • Chris Waldram July 2, 2021, 5:51 am

      You know, you’re Winchester model 94 and your model 12 were used weapons of war. The second amendment wasn’t written for your right to hunt or sport shooting.

      • Dave Emery July 2, 2021, 1:47 pm

        Excellent point.

    • joe wells July 2, 2021, 7:12 am

      I’ve seen this tard on here before with their “he/him” BS before. Her type is so afraid they’re going to be overlooked or forgotten about that have to tell everyone their gender, like anyone even cares. You wasted a lot of time on your missive because as soon as I see “him/her” or “she/it” I’m don and move on to the next one. And what’s a “rent boy”?

    • Shanz July 2, 2021, 11:02 am

      Hey Blue dog I was wondering if you still own that assault weapon you were talking about awhile back? You know that SKS in your safe. That’s what was used at the incident in Gilroy at the Garlic Festival. The media classified the weapon as an assault weapon. They said it was an AK style rifle. So shouldn’t you be scared of the feds coming to get you? I mean your not a hypocrite right?

      • Dave Emery July 2, 2021, 1:48 pm

        I heard he’s converting semi’s to full auto and also has a few explosives.

  • SuperG June 29, 2021, 10:12 am

    So change the definition of a law, do not notify the public of that change, then make felons out of honest citizens. If that isn’t the definition of what a government hostile to its own citizens is, then I don’t know what is.

  • Hhhh June 29, 2021, 7:56 am

    I’d like to know why Brandon Combs of the Firearm Policy Coalition is using the undefined “assault weapon” term made up and used often by liberal gun grabbers for propaganda purposes. That’s not helpful.

    • Blue Dog (he/him) June 29, 2021, 1:58 pm

      There is a dictionary definition of an assault weapon – any of various automatic and semiautomatic military firearms utilizing an intermediate-power cartridge, designed for individual use. That sounds like an AR-15 to me, unless you want to claim that the 5.56 NATO is less than an intermediate-power cartridge, which I might agree with.

      • Slim July 2, 2021, 4:57 am

        Your such a moron you wrote in your above BS saying “MSR assault weapons”! MORON JUST LEAVE! It’s EITHER AND NOT BOTH, A MSR(Modern sporting rifle(AR\AK SEMI auto)OR Assault weapon which is FULL AUTO you MORON! Again don’t forget to clean your MOM’S basement;)

      • AK July 2, 2021, 4:05 pm

        Some 80 years ago, folks known as National Socialists defined as “subhuman” as anyone they didn’t like. Bottom line is, if I own the dictionary I can define – or redefine – anything I like or don’t like, or want to see protected – or banned. Regardless of realities.

        As for “weapons of war” please leave the DNC talking points for your fellow chocolate starfish lovers at HuffPo.

    • Mark N. June 29, 2021, 11:14 pm

      “Assault weapon” is defined in penal statutes of states that regulate or prohibit possession of such firearms. Yes, it is a term invented by state legislatures (and at one time the Federal Government), but that doesn’t mean that the term has no meaning. I don’t care what gun grabbers call them, but I do care what state law defines them as, because I do not want to get caught with an “unregistered assault weapon” and face serious criminal ramifications.

  • Mark N. June 29, 2021, 1:14 am

    Typical overzealous prosecution. None of the lowers are “illegal” because they are not “firearms,” the ATF should not be prosecuting state law crimes based on the configuration of various firearms as illegal “assault weapons” under state law, nor should it be charging possession of magazines legal under federal law, especially when there is a federal court order enjoining prosecution of offenses for large capacity magazines.

    • Jerry July 2, 2021, 8:40 am

      A ar type lower at anything greater than 80% is indeed a firearm according to the atf opinion! A firearm is the receiver with the serial number! With or without any other parts attached! I suggest you know what the atf considers a firearm before informing others of what you think is the law? If you wish I can supply you with the exact definition of a firearm according to the ATF

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