Florida May Have Just Accidentally Banned Aftermarket AR-15 Triggers

Florida Gov. Rick Scott gives his speech during the signing of the post-Parkland gun bill. Like Obamacare, it appears lawmakers have to pass it first, and then figure out what’s in it and how it will affect law-abiding citizens.  (Photo: CNN)

Florida’s shiny new 105-page “public safety” act is a veritable pu-pu platter of 2018’s most popular school-shooting-prevention policies. It covers everything from armed teachers and mental health to age restrictions and “school crime watch programs.”

But one of the bill’s smallest sections could turn out to be the most contentious. In response to last year’s mass murder in Las Vegas, the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act bans bump-fire stocks along with any device “which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.”

Here’s the entire section:

790.222 Bump-fire stocks prohibited.—A person may not import into this state or transfer, distribute, sell, keep for sale, offer for sale, possess, or give to another person a bump fire stock. A person who violates this section commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 741 775.083, or s. 775.084. As used in this section, the term “bump fire stock” means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.

Devices that “mimic automatic weapon fire” likely include bump-fire stocks, trigger cranks, and even, according to attorney and GunsAmerica Managing Editor True Pearce, binary triggers that fire one round on the pull and one on the release.  Pearce added that the law is “overly broad, vague and unconstitutional.”

How on God’s green earth can Florida gun owners be expected to determine whether their device increases the rate of fire to that which “a person” would be unable to achieve unassisted by that device? In general, aftermarket triggers with a lighter pull and faster reset allow shooters to increase their rate of fire. Does that mean that Florida just banned these types of triggers?

SEE ALSO: Florida Gov. Rick Scott Signs Gun Control Bill

Mums the word right now from the Florida legislators who just rammed the bill through Tallahassee. The only office to return our request for comment was Speaker Richard Corcoran’s. When we asked his Communications Director, Fred Piccolo, if the Speaker could clarify this issue, he said that our question “is delving into a legal opinion and that’s not something we can provide.”

“I’m not saying he doesn’t know,” Piccolo clarified after we asked why the Speaker voted for the bill. “We’ve all read the statute. Interpreting what is and isn’t covered will be the provenance of the judiciary. But he has his opinions on what is and isn’t covered. But to ask if certain triggers are now illegal is not in his Constitutional Lane [sic].”

We offered to print the Speaker’s opinions but never received a reply.

For now, it looks like Sunshine State residents will have to wait and wonder what kind of devices Florida legislators aimed to ban, even though Florida legislators don’t seem to know themselves. In the mad rush to respond to high school walkouts and anti-gun hysteria, a historically pro-gun state may have just banned trigger systems used in thousands of legally owned rifles.

Even if they didn’t, and the courts rule in favor of gun rights, their potential negligence will be tough to excuse.

About the author: Jordan Michaels has been reviewing firearm-related products for over four years and enjoying them for much longer. With family in Canada, he’s seen first hand how quickly the right to self-defense can be stripped from law-abiding citizens. He escaped that statist paradise at a young age, married a sixth-generation Texan, and currently lives in Waco. Follow him on Instagram @bornforgoodluck and email him at jordan@gunsamerica.com.

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  • Robert S April 23, 2019, 12:32 pm

    I bought a Taccon 3MR years ago after I felt the break. I have never tried it on the short reset. I just loved the way the trigger felt on “Semi”. The original ones had a bad hammer spring. If stored with the hammer cocked, it would weaken the spring to the point it would not set off a primer cap. They sent out a new main spring and has worked flawless since then.
    The problem with law makers is they don’t know their a$$ from a hole in the ground when it comes to weapons function or tactics.
    During the time I spent in the 10th and 11th Special Forces Groups, I hardly ever fired full auto. We wanted to make the shots count. A skilled shooter could do far more disgusting damage with a handgun or even with a shotgun. One of the Mossburg 590’s with high capacity mags could be devastating. Look at London…they throw bombs. No law restricting weapons function will ever stop this type of violence. When there is a will being driven by a sick mind, it will happen regardless.

  • rICH April 27, 2018, 8:45 am

    This Florida resident will not vote Scott for Senate or for any or legislator that voted for this new firearms legislation. What is most bothersome, in this law, is the behavior by a respondent undergoing a “mental health crisis,” as determined by police, may have all firearms and ammunition under the respondent’s control removed. Ultimately the burden of proof will be upon the respondent to show the court he/she is not crazy to get the property returned. The law also gives the respondent permission to retain a lawyer; wow. thanks a heap. The former Soviet Union, for the few remaining of us that heard of it, used to commit the enemies of state to mental institutions at a whim. Forget the rate of fire gadgetry available with AR 15’s, this is a much bigger concern.

  • Gopher Baroque March 24, 2018, 12:03 pm

    Compliance: Manufacturers should offer factory option / factory fitting for “aftermarket” or customer-supplied triggers.

  • David March 24, 2018, 9:56 am

    The only way to “fix” this of course is to ban semi-auto weapons which is the next stop on the gun banner wish list. As soon as Democrats get back into office this should occur very quickly.

  • Pete Ostergard March 23, 2018, 3:31 pm

    Have you noticed how much Rick Scott looks like Moonbeam Brown. I’ll bet it’s intentional. Or, they came from the same gene pool. They’re both politicians so it’s probably just plain old ignorance.

    • Rouge1 March 24, 2018, 11:24 am

      Looks like Florida is going the way of California. All of those scummy commies who are financially forced from california jersey and New York are infecting Florida. Maybe it will slow the infection of other states. Bye Florida.

  • ES March 23, 2018, 2:16 pm

    I’m a transferred Yankee. Been living here for over 20 years. Father bought my first rifle for me when i was 10; single shot 22. Owned firearms ever since. Please do not loop all of us Yankees into one bunch. Both my father and i served our country, him in WWII, Navy/Marine Underwater Demolition, me a knuckle dragger (crew chief). Live around Northwest Florida in a LARGE military supported area. Just don’t throw us all under the bus.

    • Kenneth Hoffman July 31, 2020, 11:25 am

      ES, I still have a house in PCB right by the Navy base and acreage off 231 and 10. I know what you mean about being lumped together. i now live down here in Fart Lauderdale (not a misspelling) and have to put up with the same thing in a state I was born in, raised in and returned to after 20 years in the military. Grew up with guns and rifles, never thought of using them for anything illegal and never injured anything I wasn’t aiming at. Still, I have to take all the crap from the northern assholes who think we need total gun bans. They “see” murders/shooting in our low-income neighborhoods and think that is typical of all South Florida. Just do me a favor if you want my guns — come and take them from me.

  • Dale Francis March 23, 2018, 1:11 pm

    You people are so dumb.You think taking guns away is the answer.Well you are so far away from the truth of it all its pathetic First of all your only hurting the millions of innocent people that need to defend themselves from the idiots that are causing the problem in the first place.Don’t you think that the idiots that are causing the problems will still be able to get what they want no matter what you do to the majority.Plus the Democrats that are pushing for the guns to be taken away don’t really care if you or I die by a gun,knife,club or whatever you can name matter to them.Hell no.All they want is for you to be defenseless against there government so they can control you and do whatever they want with you.Ask the blacks years ago when the democrats made slaves of them.Ask the Jews when Hitler took their guns.What happened to them?Stand up people and be counted before it’s too late.

    • RRB March 24, 2018, 12:05 am

      If I didn’t know any better I would have thought that I wrote this article, man you hit the nail on the head. So right !!! Waite another few years and see where we are. I’m 67 years old and sure the hell glad I am not 27. Waite until the people in there 20’s and 30’s are running the country.

    • Rouge2 April 6, 2018, 8:22 am

      Too many NAZI’S in Cali, had to get out. Now they’re infecting Florida. Take all the guns you want, it will never solve the problem. Does any of those Fu#ktards remember the truck driver from Nice, France or how about ole Timothy McVeigh. Neither one of them ever used a gun and killed more people than any of the mass shootings. Their backing us up to the edge of a cliff. I promise you that I will not be the one jumping.

  • TOOLIE March 23, 2018, 12:08 pm

    Does this mean Jerry Miculek will have to have his trigger fingers amputated if he visits Florida? Or since Jerry can use his unaided fingers to generate 400+ rounds a minute will any device that produces something less than Jerry’s trigger finger rate be legal since it doesn’t exceed the unaided finger rate of fire?

    • DaveGinOly March 23, 2018, 9:08 pm

      “How on God’s green earth can Florida gun owners be expected to determine whether their device increases the rate of fire to that which “a person” would be unable to achieve unassisted by that device?”
      Jerry will be the “person” used to set the standard by which this can be judged. If he can operate a specific gun as fast or faster than whatever “device,” “kit,” or “accessory” is being judged, then the item doesn’t run afoul of the law. Or at least Jerry, and others like him, will demonstrate that the law is so poorly written (because there are persons like him that can operate a semi-auto firearm at rates equal to full-auto guns) as to be unenforceable.

    • Jake March 25, 2018, 11:52 am

      I will settle for the Miculek Rule. Nothing that can fire faster than a 63 year old man (Jerry). I think that 400 rpm is with a revolver. I saw him fire an AK semi as fast as a full auto next to him. I do not recall whether he won or not but the difference was hundredths of a second.
      Regardless, it is not how many rounds a weapon can fire per minute but rather how many aimed shots can be made in one minute. When the world improvers see Clay whacking plates at one mile with the .224 Valkyrie or the Creedmores they will have a new hissy fit. As NRA member John F. Kennedy said, “the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.”

  • DB March 23, 2018, 12:05 pm

    The solution is simple. For every one of the politicians and their staffers who supported this act, if they wear pants with belt loops, report them to the police for possessing items that are in violation with the new law.


  • kjj March 23, 2018, 11:50 am

    Just like Colorado Democrats when they banned high Capacity Magazines, but unenforceable because of the Grandfather clause. Just a way for that gun confiscation camel to get his nose under the tent hoping for A completed ban further down the road. CHIP, CHIP, CHIP, Democrats chipping away at gun rights. After living in Colorado for 62 years I moved to Kansas after retirement because of the liberal bastion Colorado has become taking my $500,000 retirement dollars with me that Colorado will never see. I wonder if the liberals ever think of the money they are loosing when people get fed up seeing the rampant liberalism taking over there state and move? I doubt it, most liberals have a bad case of tunnel vision !!

  • Alej March 23, 2018, 10:31 am

    Poor Florida… overrun with Yankees and non-Cuban Hispanics.

    • Foff March 23, 2018, 8:43 pm

      I actually live in Florida and most Cubans I know are against guns, matter of fact almost everyone is against guns where I live. I’m a non Cuban Hispanic with over 30 firearms, you don’t know what you’re talking about so shut your ignorant mouth.

      • Tunafishin November 21, 2018, 10:57 pm

        I live in northwest Florida F off and I feel ya. Alej is the idiot and is probably stuck in Cali with a featureless stock (what a waste of time that is) and a Glock With a 10/33 magazine. As far as Rick F##k You Scott he can suck my balls. I gave my oldest son who lives in Alabama TWO BFS Gen III Binary triggers (thank God I kept the Mil-Spec). $800 worth of trigger upgrades shot to hell. The f**K’d up part about it… No Body knows if they are ACTUALLY illegal. I mean WTF you wanna chance a Felony Charge? Atty & Court Fees. Jail Time, Weapon seizures.
        So F^^k Rick Scott I still got the AR 15 carbine and AR 9 10.5″ pistol with 31 rd glock mags and shockwave brace (that I can now legally shoulder – TY TRUMP ATF/Sessions)

        If they keep on We’ll all end up in Texas —Locked and Loaded

  • Rick Robinett March 23, 2018, 10:13 am

    Death by a “thousand cuts” to our Second Amendment rights. Apparently, the SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED portion is just completely being ignored. How/why is this being allowed? It is literally one sentence.

  • Phil March 23, 2018, 10:07 am

    Most have forgotten David Olofson. He was convicted for transferring an unregistered machine gun. His AR-15 was lent to another individual who operated it at a firing range and the firearm misfired causing a multiple burst. Tell me there won’t be prosecution for some of these “trivial” items mentioned. The RICO Act is used on multiple occasions to send individuals to jail, not just for the Mob. Pay attention.

  • David Welsh March 23, 2018, 9:53 am

    Why Floridians under 21 aren’t storming the state capital is beyond me. I guess having a cell phone is enough placate.

    • e March 23, 2018, 10:20 am

      Partially because its been educated out of them by the School system, Social web sights, liberal media, marketing, and in part to the family no longer goes hunting, shooting, or doing much of anything together anymore. When the electricity good out young people don’t have a clue what to do. Most young people don’t recognize the long term impact of gun rights. They will likely vote against guns eveytime, if they don’t have the right to one. That’s why the voting age wont change. “Breed and false educate it out of them”

    • Jake March 25, 2018, 12:02 pm

      If you look at news sites you will see that anyone who wanted to march for school safety but not to wipe out the NRA and confiscate guns was not allowed to attend or speak. There are lots of them from that very school in Parkland.
      This was controlled from start to finish by communists and anti Bill of Rights activists, One Worlders etc. The usual suspects.
      The heroic students are mostly a bunch of punk libs willing to crawl over the bodies of their school mates to get in front of TV cameras. It will all backfire. The Hogg kid makes rational beings want to puke with his arrogance and pomposity.

  • e March 23, 2018, 9:38 am

    One instance of someone miss using a bump stock in a mass shooting and everyone of them ?NEEDS? to be taken??? That is one of the most ignorant things I’ve ever heard (close anyway). Which one of the school shooters used a device to speed up his rampage? This is truly an attack on the law abiding. I have one of the bump style stocks and I COULD LIVE WITHOUT IT, but WHY SHOULD I? To those in our gun community that think they are “useless ammo wasters”, Get over it. If you don’t want one, don’t get one. THEY start small, nibble away at our freedom, always starting with areas that WE COULD LIVE WITHOUT! Now they overstep BUMP STOCKS and say any device. NIBBLE,NIBBLE, NIBBLE…… AND THE FISH KEEP TAKING THE BAIT!!!

    • TRGoose March 23, 2018, 10:17 am


    • John M March 23, 2018, 10:41 am

      Las Vegas investigation revealed the murder had a bump stock, never stated he used it????

      • Jake March 25, 2018, 12:05 pm

        What investigation? There has been nothing but silence. Why? Because the Democrat darlings Antifa may have been involved along with ISIS according to True Pundit.

  • Captain Dave March 23, 2018, 9:09 am

    Florida is a purely Socialist state and things like this bring it to light. I moved here from NH in 03. I had been doing my alarm business for 17 years but when I inquired about doing it here, the basic rules put me out of business before I could get started. I now needed a license in every County I planned to work in, employment with a local business for 2 years before I could do my own business, and I needed to pass a test given once per year ( I think in Gainsville, can’t remember ) prior to my selling and installing low voltage alarms. I continued to sell diy alarms on line ( diyalarm.net ) but I lost my ability to support myself and my family cause I couldn’t jump through all those hoops. The weather is my reason for staying but I’ve had to accept that there is no freedom here. Now they are out to get our guns, one piece at a time. Governor Scott and all of his cronies can kiss my butt.

    • Mike R Stuhr March 23, 2018, 9:55 am

      A ton of Yankee liberals retire and come to Florida to escape the bad weather and high taxes of northern states and bring their un American , socialist views with them to Florida voting booths. Florida needs a border wall at the northern state line.

      • Alej March 23, 2018, 10:32 am

        The entire South does.

        • Mac Ten March 23, 2018, 10:31 pm

          What about us rebels escaping the North’s oppression and communist ideals? Many come to experience the freedom the South has to offer. I can now shoot in my backyard. In MD I would have been arrested for that.

      • Mike March 23, 2018, 10:46 am

        It looked to me that the majority of the kids that were on the busses were from FL.
        You really need to place blame where it belongs, the school system. That is where kids are being brainwashed to hate guns.
        I live way north in the country, I won’t go to FL because I can’t speak Spanish. this isn’t a north vs south problem.
        It is a teach the kids not to be liberals problem.
        BTW: They are winning.

        • Travis Whitworth March 25, 2018, 2:51 am

          Not my school system. I’m a teacher and I talk about target shooting and hunting all the time. I encourage my students to take the hunting training class and to bring me some jerky and/deer sausage. My students are not brainwashed to hate guns by any means. I don’t know if any teachers that talk about guns in an antigun kind of way. Most of us have a ccw license even.

    • John M March 23, 2018, 10:45 am

      Native Floridians born prior to interstate highways, Disney and raised without AC. Look up the original state flag from 1845, motto: “Leave us alone”!!!!
      Flagler and AC F’ed up a perfectly good swamp!

    • Qhorse13 March 24, 2018, 1:14 am

      The weather is the reason you stay? There are several states that have warm weather. Arizona, New Mexico and Nevada are just 3 that cone immediately to mind. Texas as well. Oh and all of which have sand if that’s your thing. And all 4 of those states have decent gun laws. So, if it’s the weather keeping you there but feel trapped because of the socialistic politics ( your implications, not mine ) you can always move to one of them. My heart has always been in Florida. But I am a single issue voter. Gun laws! Period!! That’s what I base my vote on every time. Who I think will protect MY rights and everyone else’s rights and who will OBEY and honor the constitution when it comes to guns. But now that the politicians have completely caved over one school shooting and have decided to ROB honorable citizens of their rights. I am having a change of heart on moving to Florida. I live in a state that allows us to have fully automatic weapons. Just pay the tax on it. And trust me. There are only a few of states that allow citizens to own them as a private citizen. You don’t have to have a government job or a special license. Anyone who can pass the background check and is willing to pay the tax on it. Florida WAS one. I highly doubt that’s the case now. I feel extremely bad for the families involved in the mass shooting. But don’t trash my rights because one NUT JOB shoots up a school. Why go after the rifle? Because it’s “easy”, how many people are going after cars because a drunk driver killed several people. You DO NOT blame the item. You blame and go after the PERSON that used the object to commit the unforgivable horrible offense. Not the item used. But with the media always on the liberal side of everything they have been and will always brainwash the people of this nation to get their agenda passed!! And once they finally decide to just all out ignore the second amendment the government will turn into a tyrannical, controlling entity. We are the only nation that has the freedoms that we do. And once they are removed this nation will fall. People seem to think this is a democracy and it isn’t. And has NEVER been a democracy. This is a REPUBLIC. And if you do not know the difference between the two that is sad. The democracy is where the majority rules. Which eventually will turn into a oligarchy or tyranny. A republic is a nation of laws that keep he government in check to keep it from turning into a democracy which eventually turns into an oligarchy or tyranny. This nations citizens needs to stand up and defend their freedoms from the government. And the second amendment is the MAIN amendment that keeps this nation a republic. Because an armed citizen that is continually beaten by the government over and over will eventually rise up against the injustices that government is forcing upon their citizens. The government works FOR the people in a republic. Hence the saying “for the people by the people. “ the government in a republic is suppose to fear the people. But when you have socialistic representatives in office that continually try to convince and eventually do convince the citizens that “this is good for everyone “ and get more and more laws passed that take away the rights of the citizens it begins to change the nation and weaken its foundation. And eventually it falls when enough is changed to where the citizens have no rights at all. So the citizens of this nation NEEDS to realize what’s happening. Right now all these baby steps that’s being taken will add up and cost this nation it’s very Freedom’s the citizens have right now. This is why I am a SINGLE ISSUE VOTER!! Because this one issue is the MOST IMPORTANT one of all.

      • Docduracoat July 14, 2018, 2:39 pm

        Here in Florida you could have all the fully automatic weapons you want.
        As long as you’re in compliance with the federal law and have the tax stamp go ahead knock yourself out, by all the full auto guns you want .
        They banned bump stocks and binary triggers and any other rate increasing device.
        Full Auto weapons are still perfectly legal

  • CDF March 23, 2018, 9:08 am

    Tim from MAC made the point very clear along with myself and many others…The bumpstock ban wasn’t about banning bumpstocks, it was about setting a precedence to ban semi-auto firearms all together. But you know, so many people said they were alright with banning bumpstocks. Sacrifice the bumpstocks because they are novelties and pointless so that we can get the Left off of the gun control agenda. Well, here it is folks…Maybe now some of these people will realize we have to stop right now giving the Left any more room to breathe when it comes to gun control. Otherwise, this is what will continue to happen, in every state. Vague, muddy, slippery slope legislation written to control more of our rights and making people criminals over night if they don’t comply.

    • Jake March 25, 2018, 12:13 pm

      And right on cue the dumbest people on our side run out and do Youtube videos showing a zillion stupid ways to achieve high fire rates convincing the enemy they are right to want to ban all semi-autos. It might be a cheap thrill to rock and roll a mag or two but the visual effect on the uninformed is bad. As if we all think we would hook our thumb in a belt loop in a gunfight to fire from the hip inaccurately. Quit with the stupid videos.

  • e March 23, 2018, 8:59 am

    “CRAZY” do they really think someone wanting to do harm with a bump stock will throw theirs in the trash? It would be easy to build a make-shift version in your garage. I guess they would rather me make a less accurate shot on an animal than to risk one or two extra rounds being fired out of a gun with upgraded trigger. The shootings will continue and the gun grabbing will too. This has nothing to do with safety. My niece and nephew were told the walk out at their school was just showing support for the loss of students in Florida. Not the real reason “gun restriction”. The liberals tell the kids what to do under false pretense, then convince them they are doing the right thing because they could be next– If all the guns aren’t taken away from the law abiding.

  • Greg Meyer March 23, 2018, 8:57 am

    I think it’s time for Pam Bondi (mmm) to resign her present job as atty. general of Fla. and accept a high office in the Trump adm. How about atty. general of U.S. Trump, are you listening? Pam? Go for it.

  • Homer J. Simpson March 23, 2018, 8:34 am

    Mmmmm. Pu Pu platter…

  • ken willis March 23, 2018, 8:22 am

    Are pants with belt loops now baned?

  • Wil Ferch March 23, 2018, 8:04 am

    As much as I agree that poor legislation is not the answer….as it applies to this article I think you are over-stating and over-reaching a bit. A lighter trigger with possible shorter reset is so far down on the understanding and consciousness level of the average politician , citizen, or news agency that may have it in for gun owners…..that this point is (in my opinion) a non-issue. It is quite a stretch to portray an “improved” semi-auto trigger action as being a meaningful contributor to increasing the rate of fire where it can be “Seen” by a non-gun person as violating the law.

    • e March 23, 2018, 9:45 am

      I hope your the one that has to fight it out in court. Most people don’t have the time or money to do so.

    • Chris March 23, 2018, 10:18 am

      I like your view and I agree with it for the most part. Everyone stretches bad on these things and they rarely, in the end amount to much but it’s wise to consider them carefully. According to Tac Con, their miracle trigger is all you need. With a name like “Tac Con Auto Trigger 3MR System”, it’ll be hard to convince people otherwise. As claims like this exist out there, I’m uncomfortable with this legislature.

  • Infidel762X51 March 23, 2018, 7:56 am

    Like I stated when I wrote my rep and the miserable excuse for a governor in opposition to this nonsense,
    As with anything done in haste and without serious thought and reflection this legislation is bad legislation. Everyone is screaming we must do something, but something done is haste is often worse than doing nothing at all. Most of the legislation will at best do nothing and possibly even make things worse.
    Even the sections dealing with hardening the schools were not well thought out or researched. Did you know the polycarbonate in bullet resistant glass degrades when exposed to UV light and must be replaced every few years in order to retain it’s effectiveness?

    But the rinos rammed it through.

    • Joe van March 23, 2018, 10:36 pm

      A box van was used in a mass killing in Oklahoma why didn’t the left push to ban those ?

  • Jay March 23, 2018, 6:22 am

    One word, Unconsrtitutional! Hopefully the residents of Florida will soon replace the idiot governor and give him his walking papers!

    • BP March 24, 2018, 8:55 pm

      Believe me when I say I won’t be voting for him when he tries to get Bill Nelsons Senate seat. Why should he be rewarded for my vote when he did what he did on this. “F” Him!!

    • jeb barrett February 14, 2019, 12:36 pm

      They did replace him now he is in Washington so beware.

  • tkrayg March 23, 2018, 6:03 am

    It stinks. Are we truly amazed how “quickly” the legislators “threw” this together this placating bill with their expertise in political shennanigans? However, it may just go without saying among the thousands of law already not enforced these too will fail to make a difference and fall of the radar of day to day police work.

  • J smith March 23, 2018, 5:53 am

    I guess i will be taking my retorement salaryand money to texas or tennessee. Florida used to be one of the top states for fun owners. I see scott, along with theever increasingly political and virtue signaling Bondi got duped here.

    Two real problems, one bondi is taking guns under the baker act more aggressively than before and potentially unconstituionally as a reaction. I really dont want to get down this rabbit-hole. Bottomline, a clear process for getting yourguns and rights back after a claim is made to baker act someone needs to be clear, expeditious and should procide undue burden, cost or lack of a concrete due process to do that. Ive seen cases where an Ex-spouse wants to get back at the other, calls in a comlpaint of attempted suicide, no judge, no jury individual gets baker acted as a threat to himself or others, guns get confiscated. Individual is evaluated and released with no concerns, is not a danger. Now the indicidual has to get a lawyer, petition the court, have a hearing, provide evidence that he is not guilty, ( so much for the prusumption of innocence) and after that the courtcan garnt you back your rights. Ive also seen this exploited, especially in states like Pennsylvania. Commonly done to veterans as well from dr.s in the VA.

    The second issue is with the terminology here, a tool or an accessory meant ti mimic…i can bump dire almost any semiauto, without tools. Mimic is not a legal definition that meets the legal federal terminology differentiating semiauto and fullauto. Is a device a drop in trigger. Since its ne piece i would say yes. So, no tachon 3mr triggers? So, no wilson combat trigger? Any time you drop in a trigger kit that lightns the pull, shortens the take up and resset to shoot faster is that mimicing a fullauto? I can fire my wilsons with 3-6 rd burst that almost sound Full-auto.
    The 3MR has almost no reset, so its almost like bumping it in a way, it takes almost no movement to reset and fire. A little faster than the wilson triggers once you get the hang of it. This garbage needs clarified.

    So, my daughter, 18 just joined the service, is going to be in security forces, at 18 she will carry a loaded pistol and an m-4, guarding the nation. When she goes home to her apartment, she loses her right to now either have a shotgun or a rifle, maybe a similiar m-4 to protect herself, becuse she isnt 21. Also, she cant keep a rifle or shotgun, so in effect, she also just lost her privelege to hunt, because not 21, so no rifle or shotgun allowed.

    Scott is gonna lose this one in court and at the election box. Bondi will pay a hefty political price, shame as she is most likely bucking for a federal seat sometime in the near future. This will follow her also.

    • Steve Raper March 23, 2018, 8:00 am

      I wonder why the powers that be should outlaw automobiles since they have been used for a terrible excuse for a human being has used them to hurt and kill innocent people. Well I’m sorry that school kids no longer settle bad arguments with your fists not a great way to settle things but 50 years ago it worked you train a plant when it’s young and tender enough to be bent into the human being you want when they are grown you can’t do that when it’s been left out of there growing up. I’m 62 soon to be a year older and this is the problem. I’m sorry that so called fathers are not doing the job that comes from being a Father not a baby daddy.

  • MIKE March 23, 2018, 5:47 am

    If you believe that such a wording to have such an intent was accidental then you would have to be a fool.

  • Jack Black March 23, 2018, 5:07 am

    The only thing that helps these liberals in their quest to disarm legal law abiding citizens is dead students. They do not give a damn about our children. Aka, abortions, no armed protectors in our schools but in every bank and high end jewelry store. Protecting our children is not in their best interests. And as soon as the school children realize this the faster it will change.

    • Fred March 23, 2018, 8:41 am

      They want to protect kids from guns but expose them to homosexuality that will give them AIDS. Makes no sense.

  • Greg March 21, 2018, 9:03 pm

    Accidently my FUCKING ass. To all you arrogant, self indulgent, leftist, libtarded fuck twats this is EXACTLY why we do not like any legislation like this. The devil is ALWAYS in the details and when it comes law making details are never considered. Well, actually I believe the vagueness is intentional and outcomes like this are the desired one. FUCK YOU commie traitor scums. I will be ready when it’s time to start slinging lead. Will you pussy liberals be as well?

    • Frank March 22, 2018, 12:29 am

      You do realize the republicans are in charge right now right?
      They could stop this but they aren’t because they wanna stay in charge and line their pockets. they are all the same

      • Tar Heel Realist March 23, 2018, 4:54 am

        “You do realize the republicans are in charge right now right?”

        What does it matter if it’s a Republican or Democratic led State House? The distinction between parties died long ago…it’s now “Us” v “Them”…the Political Class v “We The People”.

  • Keith March 20, 2018, 1:44 pm

    Doesn’t this law make rubber bands illegal to possess, sell, or transfer in the state of Florida?

    Buy stock in paper clips!!!!!!

    • David Welsh March 23, 2018, 9:35 am

      California band blowguns; you know, those are those evil weapons used to overthrow governments. Liberalism can only be stomped out by the boot–up their arses!

  • sian March 19, 2018, 8:41 pm

    pull/release or release/pull triggers have existed on competition shotguns for a hundred years.
    The issue is this law is so broad and open to interpretation (always dangerous) that it could, given a required level of prosecutorial zeal, sweep up anything from competition triggers up to belt loops and string.

  • Christopher Todd March 19, 2018, 8:39 pm

    They didn’t do it by accident, they knew exactly what they were doing.

    And despite the earnings from people like me, most Florida gun owners just let it happen, saying “it’s just bump stocks”.

    Maybe people will listen next time.

    • Bill Bailey March 23, 2018, 8:02 am

      No, we didn’t just let it happen. The Pro Gun Legislators that were elected showed their true colors and screwed all of us. They didn’t give a damn about what we said.

      • David Welsh March 23, 2018, 9:42 am

        The commie libs have boilerplate legislation already written, ready to be used at federal, state, and local levels.
        They had the same sort of crap already prepared with Romneycare and, later, Obamacare. That’s what they do: think of more and more ways to control people. The law enforcement agencies need to stand down on enforcement of this crap. Libs crap on the oaths they took. I believe most law enforcement personnel are better than that.

  • Infidel762X51 March 19, 2018, 10:23 am

    It was no accident, the gun grabbers had this lined up and waiting for the next opportunity and the rinos, as usual, showed about as much spine as a Broward deputy.

  • Bobs yer uncle March 18, 2018, 1:26 pm

    Its clear to me the people of Florida are in serious peril and not just with the gun issues with those jokers runnin things. When they outlaw hello kitty bubble guns only outlaws will have hello kitty bubble guns and don’t try putting a bumpstock on it buster. Gov. in Florida has become a sad, tragic, joke, with what is obviously no plan, at all. This is what you get with win at all costs politics, no term limits, no borders, my guess is the pensions these guys get are shocking and beyond all reason. have a nice day Florida, California, Colorado and………

    • brockkl March 23, 2018, 7:33 am

      We have term limits in FL. and Scott is done. That was his lame duck swan song…..

    • e March 23, 2018, 9:08 am

      Do you see a theme with your last few words? Florida, California, Colorado, and next the entire United States Of Germany!

  • tsh77769 March 17, 2018, 6:10 am

    It certainly was not accidental.

  • Will Drider March 17, 2018, 12:58 am

    If we use Jerry Miculek shot times as the baseline: all devices are good to go. We also can do “reciprocating recoil fire” by hand, which is another no device baseline which woud be very hard for most triggers to exceed.

    Stunning that they are tasked to write clear, concise Laws that are supposed to eliminate any gray areas from the start. To Pass a 105 page Law and have no personal understanding or interpretation of what it means is dereliction of Office!
    Do you know they reversed the Due Process Clause like they did in the original stand your ground Law which was thrown out later? There’s also a Section on Rape Crisis Centers in there. WTF. It also SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDES All “Classroom Teachers” from being any form of Armed School Staff. That leaves admin, janitors, councilors and kitchen staff as the volunteer pool! They neutered that at the start because THEY DON’T WANT DEFENSIVE FIREARMS IN SCHOOLS EITHER! The remaining security will be no more effective then the thinnest window glass. They don’t really want solid security they just want more gun laws.

  • Mo March 16, 2018, 10:16 pm

    So the way I read it, the primary intent of the law is the ban devices that mimic automatic fire. Since 2 rd burst is a form of automatic fire, it could be interpreted that binaries are now illegal. This would not include registered machinegun conversion devices, as they are already exempted under 790.221(3), and the intent was not to ban machineguns, only things that mimic automatic fire. Lastly, I dont want to be the test case, but I think it will come down to “sporting purpose”. General competition triggers will be exempted where as specialty/gimmicky triggers will fit the ban. This is such a poorly worded section, I wish we could ban, demwrit, sanction legislators that make such unconstitutional, vague and poorly written bills…arent they all lawyers usually to begin with…and shouldnt they know how to draft a clear and concise bill….if not they shouldnt be in that line of work!

    • Michael March 23, 2018, 4:06 am

      Binary triggers would be out. Besides, they are a waste of ammo. Competition or light triggers DO NOT INCREASE the firing rate. The limitation is how fast your finger moves no matter if it’s 5f pull or 1.5#.

  • krinkov545 March 16, 2018, 7:37 pm

    Rick Scott I hope burn in lowest Hell when you die. NWO bastard.

  • Edward Lewandoski March 16, 2018, 5:44 pm

    If I need to lay down a spray of bullets during a skirmish with any intrusive enemy foreign or domestic.To save my life or the life of others. No one human being on this planet has the right to say I can not have the tools necessary to do the job as I see fit.

    • Michael March 23, 2018, 4:18 am

      Rather than “laying down a spray…” I prefer to start picking them off at 1500 yds. with a 6.5×284 rem. 700. Switching to an M1a at 500 yds. The AR at 300 yds. And the 1100 rem. 12 gu. At 50 yds. You’ll find at 1500 yds. When an enemy sees his comrades heads explode… they tend to find anything possible to hide behind. A precision rifle has that advantage to slow an enemy down. However, reality kicks in and I discover we’re not under attack. Bump stocks have no use beyond wasting ammo. The NRA should have given this fight up… stay focused and fight those libertard mocks that really matter.

      • Bobby March 23, 2018, 8:55 am

        Clearly, you have not been in a position to defend yourself against multiple attackers or any group of people armed with intent of doing harm to you and others. Those of us that have been in that position know that your comparison is not valid. If you had 1500 yards…you would be correct…no “bump fire” is effective…give me a “sniper” set up..but when multiple aggressors are in closer range..I’ll take the ability to use bursts of fire made possible by a bump stock.

        Training and experience should dictate how a weapon is used or which weapon is used…not ignorance of true combat or defensive tactics…or emotional reactions..by those not informed. Period!

      • e March 23, 2018, 9:15 am

        I hope you don’t have a lightened trigger pull in that 700 bolt action. It could allow you to get a shot off faster and will have to go!

    • David Welsh March 23, 2018, 9:49 am

      That’s correct. We have the God-given right to defend ourselves by whatever means. If the SHTF, then all bets are off and no law will matter anyway. We will have God, our consciences, and our Constitution to follow.

  • Sepp W March 16, 2018, 3:39 pm

    “To act without clear understanding, to form habits without investigation, to follow a path all one’s life without knowing where it really leads; such is the behavior of the multitude.”

  • Bobs yer uncle March 16, 2018, 3:08 pm

    I was trying to think of some stupid dumb ass comment but these politicians did it for me. And over night a new class of criminals has been created, WOW!!!!!!!

  • Blue Dog March 16, 2018, 2:52 pm

    It would probably just be easier to ban AR-15s, particularly since one cannot ban belt loops and thumbs, as has been helpfully pointed out several times on this very blog.
    I honestly don’t think that binary triggers belong in the same conversation as bump stocks and pistol braces, though.

    • Mike V March 16, 2018, 8:56 pm

      What’s your opinion on binary triggers?
      As to it being easier to ban ARs, I don’t think at this stage anything of that nature could be easier. You would make criminals out of good people, and many would just hide them for that rainy day.

      • Blue Dog March 19, 2018, 5:56 pm

        I am not really bothered by binary triggers. They aren’t a way to circumvent any of the major firearm restrictions, like making a backdoor SBR or counterfeit full auto, so I don’t really think they fall into a category of firearm accessories that needs to be addressed. Binary triggers just separate the acts of pulling and releasing the trigger, which are very definitely separate acts, and therefore not something sneaky or shady. Trigger modifications are not necessarily a bad thing except when modifying a factory trigger on a 700 or unless you are trying to simulate full-auto fire like with the old Hellfire triggers. In most cases, replacing the trigger is the first and easiest way to improve performance on a firearm. It does not sound like a modification that I would want to make on my own rifle were I to own an AR, quite the opposite, but the binary triggers don’t obviously cross any lines.

      • David Welsh March 23, 2018, 9:51 am

        If we just hide them, then we will be tossing in the towel–like Canada, Australia, and all the other lib-infested countries.

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