California Fire Captain Speaks Out: ‘The ATF Can Get a Warrant and Come to Your House’

The ATF is changing the rules and going after gun owners after the fact. (Photo: ATF Facebook)

Derik Oakes has a warning for gun owners: you could be next.

The fire captain from Sacramento made headlines last month after a local media outlet got wind of multiple felony charges leveled against Oakes related to his ownership of illegal “assault weapons.” The ATF had gotten involved, and rumors surfaced about “machine guns,” “Uzi’s,” and “fake serial numbers.” It was a juicy story for the outlet, especially since its protagonist was a public servant living in a $1 million home in suburban Sacramento.

But so far, Oakes hasn’t played the part of the underground gun runner or secret militia member. In fact, he isn’t contesting any of the charges leveled against him by the district attorneys in California’s El Dorado County.

When California Highway Patrol and ATF agents knocked on his door in July of 2019 looking for illegal machine gun parts, he opened his gun safe and let them rifle through his belongings. When they asked him if he owned the illegal “assault weapons” they found, he admitted to owning the rifles, though he argues that they’re still constitutionally protected items. When they asked him about an unfinished part that allows a Glock to fire in fully automatic mode, he admitted to purchasing it and said he would have freely surrendered it.

Oakes isn’t a bad guy. If the reams of letters vouching for his good character are any indication, he’s actually a stand-up citizen. But he’s a case study in what can happen when state and local governments constantly change gun laws, criminalize previously legal items, and selectively enforce those laws on the people least likely to commit an actual crime.

“You think you’re doing the right thing, and you’re not,” Oakes said in an interview with GunsAmerica. “The ATF can just change their mind on something, get a warrant, and come to your house.”

How It Started

Oakes’ trouble began when he purchased an item from JNC Manufacturing called an “80% Glock Auto Switch” that, when machined, enables a Glock to fire automatically. Much like 80% receivers, these items had been deemed by the ATF to be “unfinished” and therefore legal to purchase without adhering to the regulations of the National Firearms Act. Then, in 2018, the ATF reversed its decision and compelled JNC to release a list of the 240 customers who had purchased the items.

We covered this last month when we wrote about Oakes’ case. But Oakes stressed in his interview that he purchased these products prior to the 2018 determination, meaning they were legal at the time he purchased them. He also pointed out that he never machined them to allow a Glock to fire automatically nor did he install them in any of his guns.

The ATF seems to understand the weakness of their case: more than two years after raiding his home, they haven’t charged him with any federal crimes.

So, why is Oakes facing so many state felony charges? In part, it seems, because of a misunderstanding. The ATF claims in court filings that Oakes and his attorneys refused to comply with the agency’s initial attempts to contact Oakes and secure the now-illegal items. Oakes was not home when they first arrived at his house, and they tried to communicate via the doorbell camera. The ATF says whoever they spoke with triggered the alarm and refused to speak to them. When they contacted Oakes’ attorney, Kimber Goddard, they claim Goddard was belligerent and refused to comply.

SEE ALSO: ATF Seizes Customer Data from Gun Company, Uses It to Confiscate Guns and Raid Home of California Firefighter

Goddard has flatly denied the ATF’s account. Oakes also argues that he and Goddard would have complied, as he did during the raid, but ATF agents never spelled out precisely what they were looking for.

“If they had ever, at any time, been even remotely descriptive of what they want, I would have been more than happy to say, take this thing. I don’t want it,” Oakes said. “But that never happened. They just kept saying, ‘he has a machine gun.’ They also described it as an ‘item.’”

The ATF secured a search warrant based on Oakes’ supposed non-compliance. Agents arrived when Oakes wasn’t at home, forced his stepson out of the home at gunpoint, and proceeded to search for the offending Glock parts. When Oakes arrived, the ATF admits that he provided the passcodes to his gun safes and willingly admitted to owning the rifles they soon found.

All his felony charges stem from what local law enforcement found during the course of that ATF raid.

Oakes and his wife are both active in their local shooting club, and Oakes teaches gun safety and competes in 3-gun competitions.

How It’s Going

All of Oakes’ gun-related infractions can be traced back to sudden changes in California gun laws.

First, the “assault weapons” found in his home only became illegal after California outlawed “bullet button” firearms in 2018. Since 2001, California gun owners were allowed to own “assault weapons” with prohibited features like pistol grips as long as their rifles had a magazine that required a tool to remove. “Bullet buttons” allowed a magazine to be removed using the tip of a .223 Rem. cartridge. Then, in 2018, California passed a law requiring the owners of rifles outfitted with “bullet buttons” to register them with the state.

Mainstream and pro-gun news outlets covered the change extensively, but Oakes claims not to have realized his rifles needed to be registered. In addition, the registration system was so flawed that many gun owners were unable to register their rifles anyway. Others were prosecuted for owning prohibited firearms after attempting to register them through the system.

The situation was so bad, in fact, that gun-rights groups won a case in California to force the state to re-open the registration system for 90 days. The state has yet to announce when that registration period will open.

SEE ALSO: Judge Benitez’s California Assault Weapon Ruling is Pure Gold, and the Media Totally Missed the Point

Second, the initial story in the Bee made much of the “fake serial numbers” that Oakes had engraved into the firearms he had assembled at home. They only became “fake,” however, in 2019 when California passed a law requiring gun owners who assemble their own firearms to apply for an official serial number from the state DOJ.

Prior to that time, as Oakes pointed out, serial numbers were not required on homemade guns. Oakes engraved his rifles in order to identify them if they were ever lost or stolen.

“People took that and thought I was scratching serial numbers into the guns. Or maybe that I obliterated legal serial numbers and put my own. That is not true. I put my home location, my wife’s birth date, my birth date. Who does that with bad intentions?” he said.

What’s Next?

Oakes and his attorney are asking the state to lower his charges to misdemeanors or public nuisances in light of his nonexistent criminal record, his good character, and the absence of clear criminal intent.

“This has nothing to do with me being a firefighter,” he said. “The point was, hey, this is a good person who also has guns. That was the crux of it, and the state has the ability to charge this as an infraction or a misdemeanor. That’s not asking for a break. That’s asking them to do the right thing.”

Oakes also claims law enforcement agents were well aware that he doesn’t pose a danger to society.

“They even said while they were [at my house], we know nothing nefarious is going on, but we’ve got to do this,” he said.

SEE ALSO: California to Give Gun Owners New 90-Day Window to Register ‘Assault Weapons’

So far, the state hasn’t budged. But Oakes says his fire chief has been extremely supportive, and he’s received letters of recommendation from many of his colleagues at the fire department as well as the owner of Gray Ops Firearms Special Training, where he’s worked as a range safety officer.

Whatever happens with his case, Oakes believes the ever-changing gun laws present a clear threat to even the most law-abiding gun owners.

“We’ve got to reach some kind of black and white decision on these firearm laws. This gray area that we’re in is a recipe for disaster, like with me,” he said. “If you’re going to classify something as legal one day, and then classify it as illegal the next day, where does that stop? What if you have a shotgun and you also have a hack saw? Does that mean you have a short-barreled shotgun?”

He’s unlikely to get any of his firearms back. California law stipulates that even if he’s convicted of a misdemeanor, his firearms must be destroyed.

“In the end, this will be a government-authorized home invasion to steal my property and charge me with whatever. In the end, nothing was prevented. Nothing was stopped. They’re trying to regulate firearms, but they’re making criminals out of people who aren’t doing anything,” he said. “We let people go for assault, arson, and all kinds of stuff. But here’s a person with a pistol grip on his rifle, and he’s the worst person ever. But that’s all California.”

Oakes doesn’t want a GoFundMe, as he’s seen some people propose online. Instead, he encourages gun owners to support Second Amendment advocacy groups like the Firearms Policy Coalition and the Second Amendment Foundation: “Instead of helping me, let’s help everybody. Let’s help all of us. This is an everybody problem, not just me.”

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About the author: Jordan Michaels has been reviewing firearm-related products for over four years and enjoying them for much longer. With family in Canada, he’s seen first hand how quickly the right to self-defense can be stripped from law-abiding citizens. He escaped that statist paradise at a young age, married a sixth-generation Texan, and currently lives in Waco. Follow him on Instagram @bornforgoodluck and email him at jordan@gunsamerica.com.

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  • mrpski July 12, 2021, 10:53 pm

    Maybe in California they would. I don’t think so in AZ especially outside of the three city’s of any size we got.

    Anyone in this state not packing it feels like you got a fly unzipped.

  • ray July 12, 2021, 7:24 pm

    “Sig Heil “Joe!

  • Jbird July 12, 2021, 12:25 pm

    Thank you to all the “Uncle Joe”, “Camel Toe” supporters. For the gas prices too!

    • Jay Fisher July 12, 2021, 12:27 pm

      Also, preventing the average citizen from defending ourselves against corrupt government!

  • Germanshedder July 12, 2021, 6:32 am

    I’ve known caps in the area that had massive collections of weapons and they would not register them for this very reason.

    The feds and state only do this to law abiding low risk citizens but not known criminals. And when a thug is caught using a gun in the commission of a crime or having a weapon they are not allowed to own because of their criminal record no charges are pressed against them. In New York City 90% of criminals using guns in the commission of a crime have their gun charges dropped. Just how is letting criminals go free and persecuting law abiding citizens keeping us safe?

  • Tyson Mendel July 10, 2021, 1:54 pm

    Feds and all states have already violated our constitutional right to keep and bear arms. No surprise here.

  • B.Zerker July 10, 2021, 1:33 pm

    It sounds to me like Mr. Oaks has remedy in Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution which dictates to the government(s), both States’ and Federal, that ‘… no ex post facto Law shall be passed.’ Therefore, if he owned the firearms and/or parts prior to CA making them unlawful to possess, or required him to register them, CA’s action of criminalizing his possession of these items, after the fact, violates the Supreme Law of these United States – and that governmental action is expressly prohibited by constitutional mandate.

  • Stan d. Upnow July 9, 2021, 9:37 pm

    Mr. Oakes figuratively shot himself in the ass by cooperating with those imbeciles. NEVER, repeat- NEVER talk to the police or “cooperate” without an attorney involved.
    Most people think they’ve done nothing wrong, so why not be helpful. As any competent lawyer will tell you, the cops will take whatever you tell them, or show them, and use it against you in court. Oakes found that out too late.

  • Stan d. Upnow July 9, 2021, 8:56 pm

    The ATF. Yeah.

    When I worked for an FFL, the ATF showed-up one fine day asking us to help trace a gun recovered from a crime scene. Somehow they knew(or suspected) it was purchased from our shop. Well, to cut to the chase, they spent 2 days pouring through all our records to find that sales record. I wondered how many OTHER records they grabbed during their search.

    “We’re from the government. You can trust us.”

  • larry July 9, 2021, 8:23 pm

    This is exactly why I just moved out of CA. Wacko stuff. You are declared a criminal by legislative fiat from the morons in Sacramento

  • the original docliberty July 9, 2021, 8:06 pm

    I am beginning to pay a bit more locally for primers, powder, ammo, etc. when they are available I always pay cash and don’t use my rewards link with people like Sportsmans’ Warehouse.

    Big Bro can’t tract the Jackson or Benjamin back to me that way. Some items are tough, however.

  • DELCO July 9, 2021, 7:16 pm

    This fire captain is not a threat to anyone. No criminal record, literally wakes up each day and puts his life on the line to help anyone in need of rescue. He was engraving his name and his wife’s name. We have thousands of dangerous criminals pouring across our now wide open borders each day. More addictive drugs then in any other time flooding our streets , killing our kids. And this is what our tax money is being used to do. Going after someone who lives a life of service to his community. What about hunter B. Intentionally lying on his paperwork when he went to purchase a Gun? Wonder if hunter is gonna have a knock on his door. Doubt it. Hope things work out for this guy and his family. I also hope that the people in charge of making decisions like this do the right thing. Until we have a change in administration 3 1/2 from now unfortunately it doesn’t seem likely to improve. All we can do is follow the laws and hope that reasonable people make the calls.

  • Dave Lemay July 9, 2021, 6:35 pm

    I expect to be silenced, blocked, on Facebook but until now I never expected to be unable to post my opinion on this site. Where do I find the rules for what is, or is not, acceptable to meet your standards? I guess I mistakenly took you for an open forum. Worse yet, it doesn’t appear that there is any way for me to decipher the reason, why my comment was rejected? Pretty disappointing when censorship reaches out from a site you thought was worthy!

  • Paul S Fitch July 9, 2021, 5:07 pm

    Article 1, Section 10 of our Constitution reads (in part) “No State shall…pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law…”

    Ex post facto means “after the fact”, in other words, the state cannot pass a law making something previously legal no longer legal.

    What am I missing here?

  • Jeff Chapman July 9, 2021, 4:11 pm

    “California law stipulates that even if he’s convicted of a misdemeanor, his firearms must be destroyed”
    Just another reason to stay away from the left(ist) coast.

  • Michael Elvsaas July 9, 2021, 1:58 pm

    This can happen to you too I bought a 1911 slide off of ebay and a 1.5 yrs. later ATF and a Bend PD officer showed up at my house and took the slide. saying it was Gov. property stolen from VA. arms distruct. Fac. by a guard working there. I was the third owner at that point. ATF agent was nice but I was out of $325.00 with NO recourse. They had a folder on me DL picture and all of my info and I mean ALL.
    At least I was not arrested. How was I to know that the item was stolen when purchased on ebay??

    • Stan d. Upnow July 9, 2021, 8:59 pm

      Probably wound-up on a govt. auction site the next day. lol

    • Sold July 11, 2021, 4:58 am

      What slide? You sold it to some dude on the street a while back. No, you don’t know his name.

  • Mark July 9, 2021, 12:09 pm

    Defund the ATF

  • Jeffrey Marlow July 9, 2021, 11:37 am

    Laws only affect the law abiding.. criminals don’t really pay much attention. If you are violating a law or ordnance knowingly…

    • Stan d. Upnow July 9, 2021, 9:05 pm

      Oh, but the thugs DO pay attention to those laws. They take note of every newly declared gun-free zone and restriction on the right to carry. For them, those laws are business friendly.

  • Eric Holder July 9, 2021, 11:18 am

    So he was listed by a company who bought something 80 percent (legal) then reclassified as illegal. I think the question is why would a warrant be issued and approved when there is no evidence or information as to whether he bought it as a gift for someone, lost it, sold it, still has it, it ever was even delivered to him and signed for or anything else? It certainly appears there was not enough supporting information to issue a warrant to his house. I do think that ATF can just go to his door and identify themselves and present to a person why they are their and what information they have and what they claim the current law is and simply ask “do you have these items and would you like to surrender them”? But why act prudently and reasonably when judges will approve BS warrants so you can point guns at kids and woman? What a bunch of cowards and sell outs. Even prostitutes have more honor them ATF.

  • Dexter Winslett July 9, 2021, 11:09 am

    Greet them at your door with a 12 gauge.

    • Richard July 10, 2021, 8:49 am

      My thoughts exactly. They have nothing to lose by violating your constitutional rights. They might lose their case in court later after you’ve spent tens or hundreds of thousands on attorney fees. But in the end there will be no recourse, no punishment against them. The ATF right now has carte blanche to violate everyone’s rights in this country.

    • Penrod July 10, 2021, 6:27 pm

      You go right ahead, Dexter. Be sure your will is up to date first, because they WILL kill you.

  • Bill July 9, 2021, 9:19 am

    Apparently, the majority of lawful gun owners in America are content with remaining a large part of the silent majority. Very few actually exercise their right to free speech condemning their loss of protected gun rights by personally contacting elected officials voicing their demands for restoring protected but ignored personal freedoms.

    Personally, I believe the time for the nullification of bad laws is more important than ever before. Gun owners need to stop being afraid the speak up and challenge authority when rights are infringed by the government and others who hate America. Talk is cheap.

    • glock19fan July 9, 2021, 10:22 am

      Being silent is likely because of “Red Flag” laws in that they weaponize any stranger who doesn’t like a letter you wrote to a newspaper or magazine. Getting rid of those laws is vital because they violate the entire Bill Of Rights. I just described a violation of the 1A but they also violate the Takings Clause of the 5A and the searches an seizures of the 4A, the right to a jury trial and the right to an attorney per the 6A and 7A and the ban on “cruel and unusual” punishments (for what? there was no crime). Those laws are certainly “Cruel and Unusual” especially when no crime was committed so government is – quite likely – to fabricate one. The name of the game is POWER – getting it, keeping it, using it and getting more of it ( sort of like a dope addict’s craving for more narcotics).

  • Michael Galloway July 9, 2021, 9:18 am

    Move to Missouri WE ARE PRO GUN

  • DavidInCO July 9, 2021, 9:01 am

    You’re better off being a true criminal in these liberal havens. If I’m a gang-banger and I get busted with an illegal firearm, I’m back on the street in a couple of days. If I attempt to follow the ridiculous maze of laws as a stand up citizen, I get taken down hard and vilified. Doesn’t pay to even try and fall in line, because that really isn’t the point anyway.

    • Stan d. Upnow July 9, 2021, 9:26 pm

      *sigh*
      You and so many others just don’t get it. So, here it is:

      The reason why BLM/Antifa, and other sundry criminals, are given a pass is because they are useful tools to cause chaos, fear, and a break-down of law & order. This advances the Progressive-Socialist agenda.
      Now, law-abiding citizens, and particularly gun owners, stand for stability, law & order, and want to preserve the nation. They are a threat to “The Plan.” Much like Trump was. Y’all gotta go, or at least be neutralized.

  • Alej July 9, 2021, 8:49 am

    After Prohibition was repealed in 1933, the Bureau of Alcohol & Tobacco, staffed by second-rate thugs whose main job in life was destroying stills and terrorizing makers of homemade liquor, was out of a job. So with passage of the unConstitutional 1934 National Firearms Act, to give said thugs continued employment, the BA&T became the unConstitutional BATF. Still second-rate thugs to this day. Several years ago there was a suggestion to merge the BATF with the FBI. Half the FBI threatened to quit if this was implemented, according to a neighbor of mine, a district supervisor for the FBI, due to the personal disdain the FBI agents held the ATF agents in.

    • Rouge1 July 9, 2021, 10:38 am

      The atf poisoned tens of thousands of Americans to death during prohibition. It was illegal to produce alcohol but not to consume it, so they poisoned it to discourage consumption which was legal. They have always been unconstitutional criminal thugs.

  • CountryBoy July 9, 2021, 8:43 am

    That is what Democrats do….. they Turn LAW Abiding Citizens into Criminals…… and then the let the REAL Criminals get off scot free….

  • John July 9, 2021, 8:42 am

    Get a change of venue to one of the 4 rural counties without cities. You won’t find very many radical left wingers if any.

  • Mark July 9, 2021, 8:36 am

    Interesting. So, one company discloses that this guy bought a piece of metal, then legal, which now is not, and on the strength of that, the ATF gets a search warrant for machine guns and machine gun parts?? OK, so maybe there’s probable cause to search for the 80% Glock switch, but where is the cause to search for anything else? A search warrant must describe with particularity what they’re looking for, and must be based on probable cause. Had they described it, presumably he’d have said, sure let me get it for you and handed it over. I think this is problematic from the get go, and he’d be likely to win in the end, but it might have to go all the way, at the cost of millions of dollars he doesn’t have. THAT’s the problem with this sort of enforcement.

    The First Amendment says the right of free speech shall not be “abridged”. The Second Amendment says the right to keep and bear arms shall not be “infringed”. What’s the difference between “infringed” and “abridged”? My thesaurus says they’re synonyms. the Courts would never allow this sort of thing if it involved speech (at least not yet). Then again, maybe in California . . . .

    • Michael July 9, 2021, 3:43 pm

      I own a Yugo SKS I purchased at a Big 5 Sporting Goods here in California. It was totally legal at the time of my purchase and had come from importer/dealer with the grenade launcher spigot removed and a solid 2 pound flash suppressor welded to the barrel but retained the launcher sight and bayonet. I purchased aftermarket stock and parts to replace worn, unsafe and outdated parts all compliant with existing laws and regulations and registered with the DOJ of California. I happened to be looking for a pistol and was checking the DOJ list of banned firearms to see if I could purchase my choice of pistol when I run across a NOTICE! All Zastava mfg. Yugo SKS’s were now classified as dangerous weapons and REQUIRED A SPECIAL PERMIT TO OWN/POSSESS!!!! Because the brochure that came with the rifle said it WAS a formidable and dangerous weapon with the addition of the grenade launcher. Application doesn’t guarantee ownership or possession for the firearm. Fees for background checks, fingerprinting, certificate issuance vary and must be paid at time of application!!!
      Regardless that it qualifies as a Historical Collective Firearm…I attempted to contact the DOJ and never heard anything back so I’m a criminal I guess and by the way… I’m YELLING BULLSHIT!!!

  • Francisco Briseno July 9, 2021, 8:09 am

    Fine and dandy that the California Highway Patrol and the ATF are looking out for our safety by criminals that pose a threat. Now, this Firefighter Captain either pissed someone off, someone is envious and jealous of him and his upstanding life as a model citizen, OR there’s a RAT in the mist as law enforcement does not catch anyone unless they trip over them, or there confidential informants that get paid in evidence locker drugs that the case has been closed, or cash money to go buy drugs, or even a sentencing reduction to rat out whomever so the DA can get his conviction report card statistics up. Turncoats like Benedict Arnold are looked down as the lowest type of lifeform, just as the asswipe that ratted out Mr. Oates. This case is clean cut screwup by law enforcement, which should be cleaned up before it affects law biding citizens when they serve on the jury and remember this type of case because in court there’s one side the other side and the truth and the jury is supposed to decide? Way to go O.J., I wonder if he’s found the murderer that he said he was going to look when he started looking on the golf course? Airgun enthusiasts, be aware because your air guns are next, just look at the U.K., Canada, Mexico, South Africa, Germany, etc. regarding regulating velocity and calibers. In America we have full automatic machine pellet guns with silencers, yes, silencers and neither are REGULATED yet. Now imagine if you were the one the rat ratted out and you are not the upstanding, criminal record free citizen? This Captain has my support in however I can help, as well as others being abused and stripped of their 2nd Amendment Rights. Stay safe everyone and Godspeed.

  • James Morrison July 9, 2021, 8:08 am

    Article I, Section 9, Clause 3:

    No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

    Both federal and state governments are prohibited from enacting ex post facto laws,1 and the Court applies the same analysis whether the law in question is a federal or a state enactment.

    • Rouge1 July 9, 2021, 10:42 am

      You mean like what Trump did to bumpstocks and the ATF is now trying to do with pistol braces?

  • Leo July 9, 2021, 8:03 am

    Communist state of CA, nothing surprising is here for me.

  • Rob July 9, 2021, 7:49 am

    In a truly free country, “shall not be infringed” means what it says.

    Amerika is NOT a truly free country.

    Search the Ten Planks of “The Communist Manifesto” and read them.

    You will see that Amerika has already implemented the majority of them.

    • Tar Heel Realist July 9, 2021, 7:59 am

      Nailed it…

  • Chris July 9, 2021, 4:38 am

    Jury nullification: the right for jurors to refuse to enforce unjust laws.
    Don’t agree to any plea deal to “laws” that are constantly being changed depending on political influence at a certain time. It is better to be judged by those who can understand the complexity and inability to follow “laws” than to agree to sign away your rights and your property. This is especially true when the warrant issued was based on information that was misleading in nature as it was looking for “machine gun parts” which wasn’t what Mr. Oakes had in possession at the time of or prior to the warrant being issued.

    • Dr Motown July 9, 2021, 7:03 am

      Only works if you have smart, insightful jurors…..are there enough of those in the fire captain’s Kommieformia community? Or are they indoctrinated sheeple?

      • Chris July 9, 2021, 8:06 pm

        The defense just needs to have someone hand out fliers about Jury Nullification to everyone entering the courthouse so that the jurors get it as well as others entering the building. Jury tampering charges can’t be brought against someone who isn’t targeting jurors for a specific case, plus the more who know the more word will spread to stop convicting people of victimless crimes such as misdemeanor possession of marijuana.

  • SuperDave2 July 8, 2021, 5:22 pm

    “That’s asking them to do the right thing.” Come on, this is California! We all know that they won’t ‘do the right thing’. The State never has & never will. Too many LibTards.

  • ro July 8, 2021, 4:04 pm

    I wonder…..are companies like Midway arms going to voluntarily turn over the names of those who purchased their braces (at firesale prices so Midway arms could get rid of them before they are reclassified by the ATF as illegal after being legal) ??? I wonder……

  • ro July 8, 2021, 4:03 pm

    I wonder…..are companies like MidwayUSA going to voluntarily turn over the names of those who purchased their braces (at firesale prices so Midway USA could get rid of them before they are reclassified by the ATF as illegal after being legal) ??? I wonder……

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