Exclusive: Gun Maker Fighting Back Against Credit Card Processors’ Discriminatory Practices

Intuit Quickbooks. Backing You! (Unless you’re a lawful firearms business. Then, we don’t want anything to do with you).

Within the span of a year, Honor Defense has been discriminated against by two separate credit card processors. You may ask, “Why the hate?”  Honor defense is a reputable business after all.  It plays by the rules.  The answer to that question is because Honor Defense makes and sells pistols to federally licensed distributors and dealers, and law-abiding citizens.   What’s wrong with that?  Nothing! Nothing at all.

The Stripe Saga

Unless you’re a big bank then it’s a big problem because you probably view arming responsible citizens as a contemptible act. Then instead of helping a small business owner, you want to freeze them out, see them wither on the vine. Honor Defense first learned this lesson back in August of last year.  One day it received a notice from Stripe, it’s online payment processor at that time.

“While we hate to give you anything less than a great experience, it does seem that your business is in violation of our Terms of Service, section A.7.B (“Prohibited Business and Activities”),” read the email notice obtained by GunsAmerica. “Specifically, we are unable to accept payments for weapons and ammunitions as mentioned here: https://stripe.com/prohibited-businesses.”

The president of Honor Defense Gary Ramey was confused.  Honor Defense had been working with Stripe for approximately a year and a half and suddenly they wanted to part ways.  After reviewing the policy, Gary came up with a compromise.  He would no longer offer the Honor Guard pistol for sale on the Honor Defense website.  Instead, he would just offer parts, accessories and apparel.   As a small business owner trying to make ends meet this would save him the trouble and time of having to find a new provider.  Certainly, his compromise would be agreeable.

Nope. It was not. Stripe was dead set on terminating the relationship.

“I appreciate your willingness to work with us and stop accepting online payments for specific products on your website,” wrote one representative in an email. The representative went on to say that even “parts of a weapon” are products they “can’t support.”

The Stripe’s representative was clear on the reason why the company could no longer support Honor Defense.

“I’d like to make sure you are aware this decision is not a reflection of your business directly. This is due to the vast net our financial partners cast over the entire weapon and munition industry,” she wrote. “Their unwillingness to venture into supporting this industry leaves us in the position of having to turn away businesses, such as yours, that we’d otherwise love to support.”

You hear that?  Big banks don’t like guns! And they don’t like gun companies. Honor Defense would have to find a new credit card processor. Thankfully, Gary found the eProcessing Network and started working with them for the online store. All good, right? Wrong.

Intuit-ive Nonsense

Enter Intuit/QuickBooks. Honor Defense was using this software company for processing phone call orders where keystroking credit card info is required.  As with Stripe, Intuit one day decided to terminate the relationship.  Intuit’s particular beef with Honor Defense was that by accepting phone orders they could not see who they were selling firearms to. The transaction wasn’t face-to-face.  Nope, that’s not a joke.

Gary, very patiently, explained to Intuit how it works.  Honor Defense, a federally licensed manufacturer, can only ship guns to other federally licensed entities, i.e. gun dealers aka FFLs.  In the case of a sale to a private individual, Honor Defense sends the gun to an FFL in the purchaser’s area.  Before being allowed to take possession of the pistol, the prospective purchaser must pass a background check.

Still, Intuit was not persuaded.  In fact, not only would it stop processing pistol sales over the phone for Honor Defense but it would also halt processing the sale of t-shirts and other merchandise.

“A recent review of your account reveals that you are engaged in a business that no longer conforms to the acceptance criteria of Intuit Payment Solutions, LLC,” said the company in a notice dated March 20, 2018, obtained by GunsAmerica.

“Intuit follows a published acceptable use policy that outlines the nature of customers it is able to service and transactions it can process,” it continued. “This list is not a value judgment regarding the underlying legitimate businesses themselves, but it drives from the relationships Intuit has with the card brands and banks.”

Gary was nonplussed. “The bias against our industry is based in ignorance of the law,” he told GunsAmerica. “Honor Defense partners only with USA suppliers, parts and materials. Every firearm is assembled and test-fired by Veterans. It’s hard to imagine that companies have a bias against us or our industry.”

The Georgia Firearms Nondiscrimination Act

Notice any similarities in the reasoning? That’s right, the financial powers that be don’t want their affiliates working with gun-related businesses. By this time, Gary was ticked off. Who could blame him? Another processor dumped Honor Defense not because the business wasn’t lawful or that working with Honor Defense wasn’t profitable, but because it was a 2A company. Gary looked for recourse. Luckily, he had previously been part of an NSSF-sponsored industry group that met with Georgia legislators while they were drafting the “Georgia Firearms Industry Nondiscrimination Act.”

Lo and behold the GFINA is exactly what it sounds like. It states that “it shall be an unlawful practice for any person to refuse to provide financial services of any kind to, to refrain from continuing to provide existing financial services to, to terminate existing financial services with, or to otherwise discriminate in the provision of financial services against a person or trade association solely because such person or trade association is engaged in the lawful commerce of firearms or ammunition products and is licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 of Title 18 of the United States Code or is a trade association.”

Seems like a no-brainer. In both cases, Intuit and Stripe dumped Honor Defense because it’s a gun company. They said as much in their emails. Gary reached out to the state attorney general’s office to file a complaint against both companies. Should be an open and shut case? Right? Wrong.

Apparently, processing payments online is not a “financial service,” according to a letter, obtained by GunsAmerica, from Assistant Attorney General David V. Carson dated May 23, 2018. Confused? Me too. Here is an excerpt from the Carson letter:

From our research, Intuit and Stripes appear to both be incorporated and licensed under Delaware law as “Check Sellers / Money Transmitters” and are considered “Non-Depository Institutions.” Money transmitters are engaged in the business of receiving money for transmission or transmitting money within the United State or to locations abroad, for which they charge fees. Businesses engaged in money transmission services are required to obtain licenses to provide such services are subject to an entirely different regulatory scheme than state or federally chartered banks. As a result, neither entity would appear to properly considered a bank, trust company, building and loan association or credit union as defined in O.C.G.A. 7-1-14, or a federally charted banking institution that accepts state deposits. Further, neither entity would be properly considered as a merchant or acquirer limited purpose bank under O.C.G.A. 7-9-2, as Intuit and Stripe are not organized in Georgia under that specific chapter. Therefore, the services which Intuit and Stripes have refused to provide or continue to provide to Honor Defense are not considered “financial services” which would come under the purview of the Act.

The long and the short of it is that, evidently, Intuit and Stripe are not covered by the Georgia Firearms Industry Nondiscrimination Act.

Fight Over?

Is the fight over? Maybe not. Honor Defense is now reaching out to Lt. Governor Casey Cagle’s office to see if something else can be done. We reached out to Cagle’s office, Phone: (404) 656-5030, as well to see if he plans on taking up the matter. We’re awaiting his reply.

It should be noted that Honor Defense wasn’t the only firearms-friendly business affected by Intuit. Gunsite Academy, based in Arizona, also got the boot recently.

Ken Campbell, the Chief Operating Officer of Gunsite, seemed to shrug off Intuit’s decision. “It’s fine, it’s capitalism, and if you don’t want to do business with us, we don’t want to do business with you,” he told the New York Post.

While I’d certainly echo the spirit of Campbell’s remarks, there’s that lingering question of legality. Should it be legal for powerful banks, financial institutions and, yes, even payment processors to take a discriminatory approach to the gun industry?  Not to delve too deeply into identity politics but what if the shoe was on the other foot?  What would happen if those same money managers were to stop processing payments for gay bars or animal rights groups or abortion clinics?

***Shop for an Honor Guard Pistol on GunsAmerica***

About the author: S.H. Blannelberry is the News Editor of GunsAmerica.

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  • Gene Shields May 13, 2020, 10:01 am

    I know personally that other Credit Card companies are doing the same thing refusing to allow charges of Firearms or Ammo on their cards and they will not do business with Firearms Companies or Dealers that sell Firearms and Ammo. Bank Of America is one of those companies. I purchased a firearm online (and having it shipped to my local FFL) and tried to pay for it with my BOA Credit Card and it was denied. Later after I notified BOA of the incident, they tried to convince me that they are not ANTI-GUN and said that the rep the refused to accept the charge, did not have the authority to do so and they would like to re-assure me that it would not happen again. That is when I told them I will not, knowingly do business with ANTI-GUN Companies and would be sending my card back to them. I have used this card for many years and have charged over $100,000.00 on it in the last three years. Never again will I do business with them again.
    If someone wants to file a class action suite against these companies I would be totally be with them.

  • Neal Stephenson May 13, 2020, 9:48 am

    If these companies do not want to do business with companies dealing with firearms and associated equipment, will they stop doing business with Amazon who sells various firearm associated accessories? My guess is no as they are probably their biggest client. A dual standard based on money.

  • GrimWarner June 20, 2018, 10:38 am

    In order for them to go ahead with their plans, they need American citizens disarmed. Their agenda includes “Project Talpiot” and the “Kalergi Plan”. I would suggest that everyone research what I put in quotes, so that you will better understand. It would also behoove you to listen to the 3 interviews, about a half hour each, that “Ronald Bernard, Elite Dutch Banker Whistleblower”, has on the web so that you can understand the evil that is behind these people that want to own you and make you a slave, as President Kennedy said in “Kennedys Warning To America”. He promised to expose their plot but shortly thereafter they silenced him.

  • OldOutdoorsGuy June 17, 2018, 9:09 pm

    It’s quite timely that this subject is gaining prominence because I cancelled my PayPal Cashback CC just last month because they have switched over to using Synchrony for their PP processing. I made sure I did the cancellation by phone so that I could answer such questions for them live. As a matter of fact, I requested that the “conversation may be recorded” BE recorded and passed on to higher management. I also cancelled my PP Credit standing and, if I use PP in the future, it will be the basic debit card transaction from my bank to the client I am buying from, nothing more.

    I see a rising tide of concern coming to a head in this country and it is about time that people get off their dead a$$es and get involved in my opinion. I have never voted along party lines. I have not backed anyone because of the political leanings they may have in any party. I am and always have been voting as an Independent so there is no guilt feelings on my part who I vote for or how I feel about one politician over another.

    There are problems with out election system and I hope that somebody will address some of them in the near future because the system is broke when it allows politicians to “live” in their offices until the day they die!! They have their own little eco-system that THEY built and THEY change whenever the urge moves them. And, the worst, the VERY worst characteristic of this “Alternate Little World” of theirs is they exclude the very people who voted them into that office! I am SO in favor of term limits that I cannot speak to loudly about the need to get these freeloaders out of OUR government and put people in who know up front the term they will serve will have limits on it with NO EXCEPTIONS! They WILL serve a MAXIMUM of no more than 2 political terms IF they proved themselves in the 1st 4 year term to the satisfaction of the voters as having the rights and the concerns of their voting constituency as the driving force for them being on Capitol Hill in the 1st place! this crap of having their OWN insurance, their OWN security, their OWN retirement, one which is GUARANTEED if they serve in their position for what?? Probably a year?? Good God, we all worked our entire lives for a chance to retire with some dignity and enjoy our Golden Years without having to worry if the laws guiding our great country are being destroyed right before our eyes!!!

    • Gene Shields May 13, 2020, 10:18 am

      Your post brings up some questions about PayPal and Synchrony. I don’t have a PP Credit Card but do have two Credit card accounts with Synchrony (a Gas card and an auto loan card). Just wanting to know what their stand is on doing business with Firearm manufactures and dealers?
      As Legal Gun Owners we need to get this information out to other LEGAL GUN OWNERS about these ANTI-GUN Banks and Credit Card Companies.
      I can imagine what the banks and credit card companies would do if EVERY LEGAL GUN OWNER sent back their credit cards and canceled our accounts with a letter stating that we will NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THEM.

      Looks like we might all have to switch to the NRA Credit Card. I am sure that one is Gun Friendly. It also would help support the NRA and our Second Amendment Rights.

  • Bobs your uncle June 17, 2018, 9:07 pm

    A few years ago we lost our rural mountain home in a wild fire as did a lot of others, after the fire we had the cloths on our backs and needed everything from underwear to 2×4’s as well as firearms I felt I should have a weapon capable of stopping a bear if needed and I bought a 44 Ruger mag, a 22 Ruger, and a 223 PLR, a credit card company contacted us out of concerns about our purchases and closed some accounts and severely limited others, interestingly I used the 22 to kill three rabid skunks within ten feet of our RV.

  • Penrod June 16, 2018, 6:59 pm

    If it is illegal for bakers, wedding photographers, and pizza parlors to turn down legal business,then it should be illegal for banks and credit card processors to turn down legal business.

    I don’t agree with those laws, but if we are going to have them, we should shove them right up these people’s behinds, good and hard. As Saul Alinski said: Make them live by their own rules.

  • G man June 16, 2018, 4:50 pm

    Pawn shops also facing these Hurdles trying to put legally operating business out. In addition other industries alcohol sex gambling ect what happened to America ? Obama admin used operation choke point to influence lenders and large financial institutions to descriminate against these busineses These industries need to come together. Politics make strange bed fellows.

  • Edward A Allen June 16, 2018, 12:13 pm

    Simple – Attack the financial institutions that are anti-2a. Sue them and boycott them. Take any monies that are won in said lawsuits and create a new financial industry that is pro-constitution.

    You will only hurt them if you remove your finances from them.

  • JungleCogs June 16, 2018, 12:13 am

    This is what Progressive Fascists do… they already dominate academia, the media, Hollywood, the internet, etc; they control almost all information. We may simply have to get used to the end of America.

  • elgavilansegoviano June 15, 2018, 8:33 pm

    ……A lot of this SOB Corrupt Banks should Not be Operating today, if it wasn’t for the other SOB Muslim Communist Traitor pf OBozo, that bails the Bastards out , when they all went under for their own corrupt greed!!,…..Next time lets make sure this not happens!!,….Let the SOBs stay Under, down and out!!,….

  • SmokeyCole June 15, 2018, 6:22 pm

    Seems like it behooves theAmerican Gun Associations and the everyday Americans who support our constitutional rights to simply ban together and be enterprenural by starting up a finnancial instution “American Freedoms Services” which would meet the personal and business finacial needs of some millions of 2nd Ammendment supporters. What buying power we would have connected across this nation.

    Then simply inform the above anti-2A listings that we no longer need their services. Everyone is correct. We do have business choices in who we use to service us and our constittional ideals.

    A good start would be all 2A business oweners and manufacturers. Second is the center of America. Mainstream grass roots Americans.

    Get this done. Then offer it up for use. If we as a whole pull or withdraw our financial support of anti 2A companies, how long would it take for them to rail against the new Financial institution.

    Someone can make a poll to see what the real probabilities of success this venture would have.

    Just saying — one against the “lot” looses. many choosing to play somewhere else does’t need that “lot”.

  • Wizzid0 June 15, 2018, 6:16 pm

    The gun industry and the marijuana industry need to establish their own bank and process their own credit cards. I’d invest in that.

  • Ken Campbell June 15, 2018, 2:39 pm

    You took my quote out of context and did not include the entire story. So your “shrugging it off” comment is incorrect. We support their right to do business with who they wish, and we do not wish to do business with them. This “we’ is the shooting industry. We make our voices heard by not doing business with those that do not support our rights. We impact them as they are trying to impact us. Please feel free to contact me if you wish further clarification. Ken Campbell, Chief Operating Officer, Gunsite Academy, Inc.

    • Mr. Sparkles June 16, 2018, 6:56 am

      My only comment Ken is that while I support the concept of letting your money, in the form of your business transactions, be your vote of no confidence, I am concerned about the slippery slope that failing to respond to this illegal move starts down. I am highly concerned that this kind of illegal activity can take place simply because the Attorneys General of the impacted states are, for political reasons, not addressing these acts and are therefore a knowing conspirator. A baker goes to court and loses because his religion does not allow him to openly support gay marriage but Stripe and Intuit can refuse to do business with firearm companies?

  • Colonialgirl June 15, 2018, 2:10 pm

    Seems to me; IF the greedy liberal pigs running those “banks” are going to discriminate against FFL Dealers and Firearm manufacturers, then they SHOULD also discriminate against Walmart who sells Firearms, and how about all the big outdoor retailers who handle firearms? There are so many places where you can buy “on-line” with no face-to-face happening(Think eBay and Amazon for two biggies) who will accept your credit card numbers without ever seeing your face. There are so many of those places where those transactions can take place that ANY honest (NON LIBERAL appointed) judge would force them to resume business with those who have been cut off.

  • Billy Mackaill June 15, 2018, 12:13 pm

    I had a car loan with Bank of America, when I saw the CEO Lady on TV quote ” not doing business with companies that manufacture scary guns” I took my business elsewhere.

  • Philip June 15, 2018, 11:51 am

    Intuit owns Quicken books who have shifted to annual subscription fee rather than product user license of the past. Pulled their plug. There are equal competing products without the hooks.

  • Larry Gaglio June 15, 2018, 11:35 am

    this is nothing new, just old tactics being revived. Back in the late 90s, Citibank and Capital One did the same thing, suddenly major dealers were being told to move their accounts within 30 days, only because of the nature of their business. There was a modicum of news coverage, but that was apparently enough to cause those banks to reverse their positions.

    Here in Richmond, VA i was denied a new deposit account, and was given confusing reasons for the denial of account. Bear in mind, i wasn’t applying for a loan, but a DEPOSIT account.

    This story needs national media coverage

  • Zupglick June 15, 2018, 11:14 am

    Big banks (or the people who control them) are afraid of the people.

  • William O DeShaw June 15, 2018, 11:11 am

    ….and keep in mind that these large banks have received huge amounts of money in the form of taxpayer bailouts, yet they do not support the Constitution.? ? SHOULD BE SOME NEW LEGISLATION COMING OUT OF THIS…

  • Mike Watkins June 15, 2018, 11:00 am

    I’m getting a credit card from one of the big banks that has been saying they don’t want firearms business.

    I’ll use it about once a month, purchase of a dollar or less, request paper statements, pay the bill each month by MAILING an actual check. In other words, cost them in processing far more than they make from me. Yeah, a bit of effort on my part.

    And I’ll probably have a user name like “GunRightsAdvocate.”

    I think we should all do it.

    • Luke June 15, 2018, 4:13 pm

      That might be a better response than canceling.

  • William O DeShaw June 15, 2018, 10:56 am

    As an industry, we should strive to only work with lending institutions who believe in the Constitution. If they do not support the Constitution, they do not support American values. These banks and credit card companies are un-American, and do not deserve our business.

  • FusionPilot June 15, 2018, 10:50 am

    This is NOT the same issue as the baker in the Supreme Court decision. The baker was allowed to refuse to supply his creative design talent to a customer he didn’t wish to serve. You cannot be forced to work for someone you don’t wish to work for. We have an amendment (13th) to prevent forced labor.

    On the other hand, we have a concept in most states called “public accommodation”. The baker could NOT have refused to sell a cake to a gay couple if the cake was offered for sale in his retail establishment (say in a display case with other cakes). He cannot discriminate in the sale of a product offered to the public, but can refuse to use his labor to create a special product if he so chooses.

    In this case, with Intuit and Stripe, they are providing a service to all “comers” who meet the requirements for the product. Those requirements, of course, relate to financial capacity, proper equipment to complete the transaction, etc. etc. A bank or Intuit or anyone else cannot refuse to offer its service to all potential customers, under the concept of public accommodation. Otherwise, you will not be able to buy and use TurboTax (an Intuit product) if you have a CC permit. Does that make sense? Can a bank refuse to open an account because you are a 2A supporter? Can they freeze out all Lutherans, Baptists, Democrats, etc. etc.?

    It’s time to pursue this in the courts for two reasons – first to get the banks and people like Stripe and Intuit punished; and second to get the publicity that will lead to an effect on their bottom line. I don’t know about you, but I don’t go to the bank to make a political statement, but I will refrain from businesses who do. I will still shop at your store if you are anti-2A, as long as you respect my right to be pro-2A.

  • Chris Clear June 15, 2018, 10:35 am

    Sometimes, it just makes sense to work with a company…and a rep, that will help you instead of using what someone else told you would be easy or cheap…. I have several shops who use QuickBooks POS, but the processing is handled through our company. We integrate with QuickBooks, so the transactions are still recorded when they are processed, but you aren’t subject to Intuit’s anti-gun issue.

    If you own a gun shop or sell parts online, please don’t let this happen to you. Reach out and I can help you with your processing, whether in the store or online.

  • Crockett Keller June 15, 2018, 9:54 am

    I too have been the victim of this type of discrimination! After doing business for over 12 years with Intuit Payment solutions, they advised me in much the same way as mentioned in the article. They held over $5200.00 for several day only funding my account after I complained to them personally. Ditto with Square! I had no chargeback or any other issues with these companies except they discriminated against me because I am an FFL. There are other companies with competitive rate who are 2A friendly. Dump these bigots and go with a 2A friendly company.

    • Richard June 15, 2018, 10:41 am

      We should start publishing the names of the anti 2A banks and organizations. I am already pulling over $200K out of Bank of America, and letting them know it is because of their anti 2A policies.

      • Luke June 15, 2018, 11:27 am

        Great idea, Richard!!

        I’ve posted the following addresses under previous anti-gun articles here before and I’ll continue to do so since a lot of folks don’t understand that the credit cards your using are issued by banks who continue to cut your own throat. Do a re-assessment of your credit card usage and I’ll be you’ll find a few of these anti-2A banks.


        “This is due to the vast net our financial partners cast over the entire weapon and munition industry,” she wrote. “Their unwillingness . . . .”

        There it is, folks. Many credit card providers are formally working against the Constitution of the United States while offering you 0% interest based on your FICO credit score. Think about that when you receive your next 0% offer in the mail from CitiGroup. CapOne, Synchrony, Bank of America, et.al.

        And, hey! Sometimes you have to dig past the name on the credit card to find the provider. Call the 800 customer service number and ask if it’s not there.

        Lowe’s, Home Depot, Menards, Bass Pro Shops, Cabella’s, Sam Ash, Progressive Insurance, et. al. Credit cards and accounts from ALL of those outfits are provided by CitiGroup, CapOne, Synchrony or Bank of America. And, they are all against the Constitution while consumers feed their own demise. Far better to use your local credit union cards and accounts.

        Wells Fargo and Chase are the only two large banks that ‘seem’ to not be publicly working against the Constitution by pandering to the David Hogg’s of the world.

        Bank of America
        P.O Box 15019
        Wilmington, DE 19886-5019

        Bank of America
        P.O. Box 982234
        El Paso, TX 79998-2234

        Bass Pro Shops
        2500 East Kearney
        Springfield, MO 65898

        Cabela’s Corporate Office and Headquarters
        1 Cabela Drive
        Sidney, NE 69160

        Capital One
        41550 Wewatta Street
        Denver, CO 80202

        Capital One Retail Services
        P.O. Box 7680
        Carol Stream, IL 60116 7680

        CitiBank Customer Service
        P.O. Box 6500
        Sioux Falls, SC 57117

        Home Depot Credit Services
        P.O. Box 900100
        Louisville, KY 40290-1010

        Home Depot Credit Services
        P.O. Box 790328
        St. Louis, MO 63179

        Lowe’s Advantage Credit Card
        Synchrony Bank
        P.O. Box 530914
        Atlanta, GA 30353-0914

        Menards Corporate Office
        4777 Menard Drive
        Eau Claire, WI 54703

        Sam Ash
        Synchrony Bank
        P.L Box 960061
        Orlando, FL 32896-0061

        Sears Private Label General Enquiries
        P.O. Box 6275
        Sioux Falls, SD 57117

        Sears Consumer Payments
        P.O. Box 9001055
        Louisville, KY 40290-1055

        Sears Mastercard General Inquiries
        P.O. Box 6475
        Sioux Falls, SD 57117

        Synchrony Bank
        P.O. Box 530914
        Atlanta, GA 30353-0914

        Synchrony Bank
        P.O. Box 105972
        Atlanta, GA 30348-5972

        The Progressive Corporation
        6300 Wilson Mills Road
        Mayfield Village, OH 44143

        Walmart Corporate Headquarters
        702 SW Eighth Street
        Bentonville, AR 72716


        Cancel credit card account number ______________________.

        I will not knowingly support anti-gun or anti-hunting credit card providers, retail entities or insurance companies. The financial benefit of these products and financial arrangements are not worth the sacrifice of Constitutional liberty. I will not support a political lobby that intentionally champions the loss of my liberty as an American Citizen and a Veteran of the United States armed forces.

        So far my list of credit card cancellations includes all Capital One, Citigroup, Bank of America and Synchrony Bank cards as well as Progressive and Liberty Mutual insurance products. These include the following credit cards: Menards, Home Depot, Cabela’s, Bass Pro Shops, Sears, Lowe’s, Sam Ash and others.


        USN 1970-74

    • Joe K June 15, 2018, 2:49 pm

      Can someone post who are 2A friendly alternative to Quickbooks Online?

      • Luke June 15, 2018, 4:26 pm

        Try Xero, Zoho and Wave. I have no idea where they stand with regard to the constitution though. Xero is New Zealand-based and it’s former GM was a political female so it’s hard to tell.

    • Josh 'Acecool' Moser June 15, 2018, 4:02 pm

      You should say it is because of their human rights violations.

  • Rob June 15, 2018, 9:47 am

    First and foremost I am an avid gun owner and have been for years, I love my firearms.
    That said there will be people in this forum that will flame-rage the decision of these businesses that are doing this. I think the reasoning for them making a ‘moral’ decision is their right and that we stop doing business with the ones that do (vote with your dollars). It is however their right to do business based on the same justifications used just recently by the US Supreme Court (the most conservative we have had in awhile) in upholding the right of a baker here in Colorado to refuse to do business for no different reasons than it went against their moral code, so rather than railing against these credit companies simply exercise your right to refuse to and encourage others to do the same by not using their services. Just sayin……. Follow Jesse’s response.

    • Johnny Raygun June 15, 2018, 11:13 am

      Actually the Supreme narrowed it’s opinion based on the claim the bakers were “artists” and with that thought could sell their “art” to whomever. There are more tailored cases working it’s way to the Supreme Curt, that will more directly address this discrimination and the repercussions.

  • Rob June 15, 2018, 9:23 am

    No different than the cake example. We can’t have it both ways. Either all businesses can chose to refuse, or they can’t. I’m all in for 2A, but as a business owner/dealer/manufacturer I don’t want anyone to tell me who I can/can’t do business with (with obvious legal exceptions). I had to change banks because of “gun business” but thats fine, a local bank had no problem taking the business a national bank wouldn’t.

  • Jim C June 15, 2018, 9:00 am

    Good luck getting any response from Casey Cagle. He talks 2A support but his actions show otherwise.

  • Eric Yoder June 15, 2018, 8:42 am

    This isn’t new. When I started my FFL in 2012, I built a website and signed up with PayPal. A month into my business running I got a cease & desist order from PayPal and the threat of legal action if I didn’t remove all reference to paypal from my sight. I then contacted a couple other payment processors who refused to service my business. They gave the same excuse as Inuit about “you don’t know who you are selling to in an online transaction”. Explaining how the laws actually worked made no difference. I did end up finding a gun friendly processor but their fees were out of this world. More than I could afford to pay for a small, home based business. I ended up scrapping my website. In the end, I actually ended up with Inuit because they were the only affordable processor I could find that was at least ‘ok’ with face-to-face transactions where others were totally against any gun related transactions.

  • Denny June 15, 2018, 8:06 am

    I agree what if

  • JohnB June 15, 2018, 7:44 am

    Your view of the problem is to limited. The actions of the Banks and CC Processors can and probably be expanded to shape the entire American business scene into something they want not something the citizens want. These institutions should be allowed the make decisions on a profit/loss basis, not on the political leaning of the management.

  • Jack H. June 15, 2018, 7:15 am

    It sounds like blatant discrimination to me, especially since the 2nd amendment is still in effect. Class action lawsuit?

  • John June 15, 2018, 7:09 am

    This sucks but I have no problem with it. As a private business owner you can choose what is “best” for you business. I’d be interested to see what the people who think you shouldn’t have to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple feel about organizations like Intuit and stripe refusing to process transactions involving guns.

  • Jesse Scott June 15, 2018, 6:40 am

    Annoying, but business is business. The rest of us can fight back by refusing to use these two company’s services.

  • Frank S. June 15, 2018, 6:30 am

    I would normally agree with Gunsite Academy — they don’t want to do business with me, I don’t want to do business with them. This could set a precedent though. What if NO credit card processor will work with gun industry suppliers? Refusing to work with a gun store could be next. I doubt that will be a big concern as there is too much money to be made — a smaller processor would quickly get in that door if they could, but it could cost LEGITIMATE, LEGAL gun manufacturers/suppliers/stores more because they can’t use the bigger businesses and bank networks.

    I understand the legal aspect of the Georgia law and why it doesn’t apply. It’s a loop-hole they didn’t anticipate. On the surface it would seem to the layman that a credit card proccessor would be included, but their lawyers will point out the slight difference and the GA Attorney General’s office wouldn’t have a case based on a minor technicality/wording of the law, even though it’s clear that the intent of the law was to prevent this. In other words, the law needs to be changed to eliminate the loop-hole.

  • Ken Kelley June 15, 2018, 6:25 am

    We received the boot from Intuit about 6 months ago for the same reasons. Wouldn’t you know it that Intuit wants gun dealers to use their point of sale system, “QuickBooks Point of Sale” with no ability to process credit card transactions. Oh, and that system will not link to any other merchant services provider for credit card transactions.

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