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Polymer80, a company known for their polymer 80 percent AR-15 lower receivers, introduced a new product at SHOT Show this year that will shake things up in the 80 percent world. Named the Specter, this 80 percent frame embraces the ghost gun idea and brings it to the service pistol market with a full-size Glock-compatible 80 percent receiver.
Like their AR parts the Specter frame is made of polymer and it requires a bit of milling to accept a slide and fire control group, but it’s easy to complete using the included jig and drill bits. After the frame is drilled and milled you can install a proprietary locking block with extended rails and assemble the gun. Once outfitted with all the necessary parts the frame will be ready to shoot.
Designed to be compatible with Gen 3 Glock parts and Glock 17 slides, with the right slide assemblies, barrels and magazines. The Specter can be chambered for 9mm Luger, .357 SIG and .40 S&W.
Polymer80 is taking pre-orders for Specter frames now and expects to ship starting March 1. The pre-order price is $140 and will be raised to $180 once they are in full production, so if you are interested in one, reserve it now while the price is right.
Polymer80 is also offering a new all-inclusive builder package,the Buy Build Shoot Rifle kit. It retails for $600 and even at that price it’s a serious bargain with everything you need to build a rifle save for a drill press. It is available now and comes in different color and cartridge configurations but the base model is black and will build a 5.56 NATO/.223 Remington carbine.
- Upper Receiver Parts
- Complete upper receiver
- Free-float quad rail system with barrel nut
- Low profile gas block
- Stainless steel gas tube
- 16-inch .223 Wylde barrel, 300 AAC Blackout optional
- 12-inch KeyMod handguard
- A2-style flash hider
- Full-auto bolt carrier group
- Flip-up iron sights
- Lower Receiver Parts
- Polymer80 Phoenix2 80 percent lower receiver and jig system
- Drill bits and end mill bit
- Lower parts kit
- Six-position buffer tube assembly
- M4-style stock and pistol grip
- One 30- or 10-round magazine
Can anyone please recommend a reputable source to purchase a polymer 80 handgun COMPLETE build kit…? Something affordable but reputable that ships fairly quickly???
Even if a gun has a serial # on it, what does it matter if you bought it leaglly from a private seller who has no obligation to submit a 4473, or take your name. I have sold plenty of guns to friends. The gov has no idea these guns were sold and I have no legal requirements to make a record of the sale,,,,,so there is your ghost gun. Now lets see who is going to argue that point
Build it yourself and no serial number. Though without a number you can’t sell it.
Trust me….if you are serious about your Constitutional Rights you are NOT BOTHERED
by this. What my gun has…or does NOT have is not the governments problem. Badge
licking is a bad habit….stop licking the ATF’s shoes…it’s demeaning…to you.
Well said brother.
Where do i order ther 80 percent guns at
Once you source all of the other parts needed to finish this firearm the cost ends up being over $700.00. Thats upwards of $200 MORE than a Glock 17 will cost you. On their Facebook page the company and users will tell you that you can get the parts cheaper bringing to cost down BUT they never tell you where to source those parts! I’ve even promised to place an order for one of their 80% kits if they will only please…. please… please! tell me where those magical parts can be found. So far I have received no leads. I have been searching forums and asking in other social media in the hopes of finding a source for slides, barrels, trigger groups etc. to make the build cost more reasonable with no luck. So for now this product is just too damned expensive. At the present total build cost you might as well get a 1911 80% frame and make yourself a solid, proven firearm.
You miss the whole idea of a ghost gun.
Unless you are paying cash, in a face to face or have taken other measures to safe guard your privacy, the “Ghost Gun” is a trackable item. Consider what the DEA did in Operation Green Merchant:
“The DEA subpoenaed United Parcel Service (UPS) delivery records associated with hydroponics stores, getting information on tens of thousands of people suspected of procuring hydro equipment for marijuana growing. Hydroponics retailers were already nervous, noting that Congress started passing laws in 1985 that criminalized otherwise legal products if they were “intended for illegal use.”
“In 1991, DEA agents began serving subpoenas on hydro store owners, seeking customer addresses and other private information. Agents raided, questioned, and intimidated hundreds of people and organizations, including scientists and NASA’s horticultural research facilities. By the end of 1991, Green Merchant had arrested 1,262 people, dismantled 977 indoor grows, and seized $17.5 million in assets. Dozens of people served 4 to 15 year prison terms, many with mandatory minimums that did not allow for sentence reduction.” Note that the merchants continued to sell to their customers…
That’s why there’s no other solution to the eventual universal disarmament of all of us by making us all criminals in some way except to Repeal all gun laws or at least nullify the illegal punishment of permanently depriving you of your un-infringeable 2/A rights for committing a crime. If they can no longer disarm you for a crime after you’re rehabilitated and law abiding again, they can never use illegal ‘laws’ to disarm the populate!
Comes out to $563.74. You must not know how to source OEM parts for good prices.
If you know where please tell me? Please
this is a link to simply Ebay search, not the cheapest source for parts but if you spend maybe an hour tops you can find all brand new parts for under $400 and used kits for under $300. if you use some googlefu you can probobly build out for under $200+the frame! just last month I bought a kit for a sig P228 that has every part but a frame for $150… deals are out there, you just need to look. now go place your order since you now have a source 🙂
I picked up my parts kit at JSD Supply for $460. It took some time, and they were pretty badly backordered, but you might be missing the point of the diy firearm…
In law, Regis means King, so registration means giving title to the king. Since possession is 9/10 of the law, the only part left is title. Once a gun is registered with the atf, they hold a prior and unfulfilled claim to it. Of course they say you can still have it as long as you abide by their rules and accept the liabilities involved, but their jurisdiction is based on title. If they have no registration, then they have no title, leaving the gun as private property, under which you have 10/10 of the law on your side (provided that you can defend your claim and avoid unwittingly consenting jurisdiction in some other way).
As of yet, the only jurisdiction that has been asserted by the atf based on unfinished receivers is based on the sale and distribution under the commerce clause (still a sham if you ask me considering that the second amendment to the organic constitution comes after the commerce clause), along with implied subsidiary franchise agreements based on birth certificates and the 14th amendment to the corporate constitution.
You have waaaaay too much time on your hands.
Every word has an origin, genius. I bet you object to paying taxes. What grade of aluminum do you use for your foil hat?
Your an idiot your the one who needs to pull ur head out of your xxx u might learn something.
Totally shameful ,that man tried to teach you something about real America . You ,only how proud you are bent over !!!
Why would you want to build an 80% glock if you can’t get a CCW permit for that gun. It’s fun to go shoot but it’s not any cheaper and if you can’t carry it its not a very useful tool. Plus by the time it’s finished it cost more than a new Glock. Or am I missing something
You don’t get a CCW for a gun. You get a CCW for your self.
your state sucks if you have to give them serials for a concealed handgun
Yep, California gun laws really suck! The gun made from an 80% lower should not be used for a CCW, it should be a SHTF gun that is off the radar!
Just remember gentlemen, the ATF has many weapons in its arsenal. They have gone after the BANKS that finance gun company’s and other institutions that support 2nd amendment gun rights etc. I just can’t for the life of me remember the name of the ATF’S OP that does this.
You need to remember that the ATF themselves have deemed 80% frames to be legal.
If I remember correctly it was called “operation choke hold”
Rob62 makes a good point. The 80% “non-guns” may be legal now but the more widespread they become the more attention they will attract from anti-gunners in Congress and the state legislatures. Another approach would be for some enterprising company to sell a CD with the CAD files for making your own Glock or AR lower on a 3D printer. I suppose they could try to ban that too, but it would be nearly impossible to enforce.
You should check out Defense Distributed, they’ve designed a fully 3d printable handgun. While the files for it have been “taken down”, nothing can be removed from the internet, and a bit of google searching will give you the file for it. They also sell a product called the ghost gunner, which is simply a small cnc mill that comes preloaded with instructions on how to finish 80% AR lowers.
This is why I’m not worried about the gubmint coming to take our guns, cause anyone can just make another.
The Defense Distributed story got extensive press about two years ago when they made their “Liberator” model that was entirely 3D printed. As I recall, it was not a very impressive firearm. A single-shot .380 that was only good for 3 or 4 very inaccurate shots before the plastic bore started to burn out. The company was threatened with prosecution by the State Department on the grounds that posting the files on a website amounted to foreign export of arms without the required State Dept. export license. A very novel interpretation of the word “export”. I recall a news story a few months ago that the company has filed a lawsuit to get this ruling overturned. It may take years to resolve all the legalities.
If they had sold the files via CD for U.S. shipment only, it would have been much more difficult for the government to stop them. It would be no more illegal than selling a printed book about how to build a gun. Fully protected by the First Ammendment. If the files got posted onto the internet by some third party, the company would have no liability.
fortunately,,they will never be able to legislate a NON-gun,,they may tell you it’s illegall for you to build,,but they cant really stop the sale,,so in the end,,who’s going to worry about this stupid law,,nobody who wants to build these,,and with 3d printing,,CNC machining,,they can’t stop this runaway train LOL
This 80% thing is news to me. Exactly what does this do for you that an out-of-the-box Glock won’t?
No serial numbers, no registration and no NICS check.
Where do you buy a Glock upper without s/n on the barrel?
Lone Wolf Distributing: https://www.lonewolfdist.com/
I just purchased a complete Glock factory slide and barrel assembly from Gunbroker. It will have serial numbers, but does it matter? There will be no NICS check, no record of a gun being sold.
It doesn’t become a gun until you drill first hole in the lower receiver, therefore, it is totally off anyone’s radar.
Build it yourself and no serial number. Though without a number you can’t sell it.
I built an AR15 from an 80% receiver just to see if I could. It wasn’t too difficult and kinda fun to boot.
shrugger, Home build weapons can never be legally transferred. short of jumping through all the hoops to become a licensed manufacturer. Upon the owner’s death they are to be destroyed. In this case only the pistol frame (or the AR lower) would need be destroyed, all the other parts are completely legal to re-use, sell, trade, give away.
How would you know who built it, or who owns it? Isn’t it all about anonymousity?
Ahmet, I’m just quoting what the law says. In practice it would be very difficult to prove one person made a weapon as opposed to another. I’m much too pretty to go to prison, so I’ll stick to the rules.
Sorry, but you’re completely wrong. You can sell any home-built firearm as long as it has a serial number and the maker’s name and city. The gun doesn’t have to be destroyed; it can be bequeathed to any direct family member, but since there’s no record of it, who’s going to know. Here’s a link to more information: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=86627
Smokey, Dale, Darryl, Thanks for the correction. I’m sure I read somewhere they could not be transferred, but I don’t want to pass along misinformation.
SMOKEY is totally correct on this issue. I just attended class on it.
This is incorrect information. If you build a firearm you are allowed to sell it at a later date you just have to put a serial number on it. You can not engage in building and selling as a business without a ffl, but you are allowed to transfer or sell a firearm you built for personal reasons.
You’re both incorrect.
Yes, you can sell a homebuilt firearm. The key requirement is that you did not manufacture it for purposes of selling it – if you did, then that’s illegal.
However, if you fabricate it your own use and subsequently decide you don’t want to keep it and wish to sell it you may, in fact, do so without having to serialize it.
Many people read 27 CFR 478.92(a) without really understanding the first section: “You, as a licensed individual…” If you are not a licensed individual, the rest of the regulation – which identifies specifically how a firearm should be serialized and marked (by, again, a LICENSED individual) – does not apply to you.
Please note as well, none of this negates the legal restrictions of ownership of a firearm by a prohibited person; this isn’t a loophole in the background check system – it’s just as illegal for you to own or possess a homebuilt firearm if you’re a prohibited person, as it is for you to own/possess a pre-manufactured firearm.
Yes, you can sell it. Just get a stripped lower receiver that does have a serial number (about $60 last time I looked) and move all the parts over to it. Save your 80 lower for yourself.
It allows you to buy straight from the seller with no FFL or background check requirement and build a firearm that has no serial number.
It would be nice if someone would detail what it means.
If you buy the 80% kit what does it cost to buy the other 20% to finish a working gun?
StefanovHowmuch would the bottom line be?
John t . The 20% is what is left to complete on the 80% lower. When they are sold this way they are not a completed lower so they don’t need a serial number . So this makes it a homemade gun which is legal as said above
well just the slide, unless you can find one used, can be anywhere from like $199.00 to $400.00 the $400.00 version usually comes complete and with a barrel, the $199.00 is usually a 3rd party basic, blank slide made of Stainless in which you’d have to buy and install the parts usually already installed if you buy the more expensive versions. but its easy to install these parts, no milling or anything involved. then you’d need to buy the trigger system, springs, mag release, slide lock and all that stuff. what this is nice for is if you own a glock 17 all ready and want a custom frame or you tried to customize your frame and messed it up.
It’s not 80% of the kit is in the box. It just means that 80% of that one particular receiver is complete and you have 20% of the work still yet to do to complete that one part.
That one receiver is maybe 5% of the total parts and depending the quality of parts and the condition of them, you are looking at at least another $100-200 for some used guts of the gun and slide and barrel but most likely a lot more than that.
I think this is more of a “something fun to do” and a no serial number purchase more than something that will save you money.
It isn’t 80% of a gun, but a bare receiver with only 80% of the machine work completed — making it legally just an odd piece of metal, plastic, or whatever, rather than a firearm — which evades the laws requiring licensing, serial numbering and recording its manufacture and disposition.
If you finish cutting and drilling the receiver to where it can be built into a gun (the price of the finished product is variable, since there is the possibility of building it into various configurations with parts from different sources — it could be a few hundred dollars more, or a few thousand), you have a gun that the “authorities” will never come looking for to confiscate, since there is no record of its existence.
So, If this 80% Glock lower doesn’t need registering, does it still fall under the same gun laws as in if I build it, can I legally use it with a mectech system or is that still in Violation of my States (CT) “Assault weapons” ban where in order to do this Id HAVE to use a pre ban Glock frame?
Anything you build must comply with current configuration regulations in your state. If it’s illegal to own, it’s illegal to build.
It allows someone that isn’t legally supposed to be able to buy a firearm the ability to do so.
It allows someone that doesn’t want anyone else to know they own a gun to do so. Unless you count the credit card company/bank that holds the debit/credit card you use or the records kept by the manufacturer of these 80% lowers.
Other than that it’s a waste of time and money.
In today’s WORld you can get a pre loaded debit card just about anywhere. So actually anyone could get ahold of these 80%ers, and the parts to finish iit and NO ONE would be able to trace it back to you. That’s the scary part of just WHO IS BUYING THESE. No one knows.
This company should go down in history as one of the great 2nd Amendment supporters…of all time
NEVER underestimate the resolve and ingenuity of the American Free Enterprise entrepreneur in the face of oppression and Totalitarian agenda. I hope this company makes a fast fortune and their boss considers a run for Congress!
Of course this is driving the Batf mangement clinically insane (the only poetic justice, then, is that they themselves won’t be allowed to possess guns if Hillary gets in by their own confiscation plans!) I hope Polymar 80 as well as others go to an encryption system of their orders and better security for customer base.files like others are now doing. to avoid what their associeate company had to deal with when this regime gets their anti-Constitutional shit fits.
LONG LIVE AMERICA!
I’ve been expecting the law to change on these 80% guns – making them illegal to build without a BATFE Tax Stamp form or some other restriction, making it known to government who is building them. Maybe in the next round of Executive Rulings ?
This is something else I will never get. But I wish the company luck with sales, and those who get these with their builds.
Kalifornia is about one state legsislatie, or maybe none.as of this writing, but the governor’s signature, away from just that. Outright dictatorial Un-Constitution Ban on making your own guns. If the Totalitarians get in, you can bet on it becoming a national federal ‘Administrativ Mandate’ , if not a federal law..
I’m hoping that soon the right earthquake puts Kali where it belongs, the bottom of the Pacific. If we’re really lucky a few top gun haters will be there on vacation or stirring up more sh*t with the hollyweird libtards. Then maybe America will be a little closer to the land the U.S. Constitution states.
Any hopes of a Glock 21? A useful service pistol
Yes Edwin, there is hope 🙂 NO ETA yet…but that’s one of the projects on the table right now.