I Got the New York Blues

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, the chief proponent of New York’s insane gun laws. (AP Photo/Mike Groll)

I got the New York blues. After years down in Kentucky, I’m in the process of moving back to upstate New York.

I’m sure you’re wondering why I would leave a wonderful free state to return to the land of Bloomberg. The answer: money. The girlfriend got a job that pays significantly more. Though she loved working for the Kentucky State Police, they didn’t pay very well.  So, we’re leaving our old Kentucky home.

Now I’m faced with a real dilemma. Scratch that. It’s not a real dilemma. It’s a hypothetical one because if it was real I may be at risk of breaking the law.

Say I have a handgun. Say it’s a really nice Colt Detective Special. In KY, I didn’t need a license to possess it, nor did I need a license to carry it openly. In New York, I need both.  You understand the significance of that.  In New York, one cannot even possess a handgun without a license.

If I cross the state line with my pretend wheel gun, I’m a lawbreaker.  A criminal in the eyes of the state.

The unlawful possession of a firearm in NY can lead to a felony conviction, depending on the circumstances.  And just so we all know what’s at stake, a felony conviction equals the permanent suspension of one’s 2A rights.  Not good.

You could say, well, if you have a Kentucky concealed carry permit, you’d be all set.  Right?  Wrong.  I do have a valid KY concealed carry permit.  But there is no reciprocity between NY and KY.  Go figure.

What this all boils down to is that either I enter the state unarmed and without my hypothetical revolver, thus sacrificing my ability to protect and defend my family, or I knowingly break the law and carry on and just hope I don’t get caught.

The question I have is what would you do?

In case you’re curious, the wait time for a permit is approximately four months, according to the government website.  That’s a long time to go without protection.  Plus, one is required to register his handgun with the state.

What’s funny is the conundrum created by this registration mandate because one is required to submit the info of the handgun (manufacturer, caliber, model, type, property of) while applying for the permit.

But how does one register a gun that one cannot legally possess in the first place because one doesn’t have the permit to possess it?  Good question, right?  I emailed the state website and got the following response:

“I would recommend contacting the County Clerk’s Office in the county in which you are considering applying for a pistol permit,” said the state employee.  “Each county has their own subtle rules and regulations governing the pistol permit application process.”

Hilarious.  Oh, and you really need to check out the New York Pistol/Revolver Application. It’s ridiculous.

Highlights from the application include the following requirements: four character references, fingerprints, an investigation report by a state lackey, a photo, and an answer to the following question: A licensed is required for the following reasons:

Gotta love New York, right?

About the author: S.H. Blannelberry is the News Editor of GunsAmerica.

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  • Dave John June 1, 2018, 7:09 am

    I moved back to Upstate NY from Florida…I was a resident of Florida and had a CCP….I am also a NRA Pistol Instructor and RSO…I applied and received a CCP from NY as I owned property there while I was a resident of Florida….The Safe Act stinks, but it has no effect on me as all my rifles are bolts and shotguns are pump…Even my legal length sawed off 12 ga with a pistol grip….You can get NY compliant AR\’s btw…Don\’t care for them myself I slept with an M 16 for over a year…I have a Combat Infantry Badge and Purple Heart to show for it….NY City sucks, Andrew Cuomo sucks, Politicians suck as a whole…My point is know the laws…Put a sign on your house \” No trespassing \”and make it visible…( Read Article 35)…Upstate NY is a great state..And who in hell would want to go to NYC ( btw, the neighboring counties are still NYC mindset)…My wife also has a Fl CCP and NY CCP….She is still a resident of Florida…I can have firearms shipped to Florida in her name and put on my NYS pistol permit as husband and wife can own the same firearm…My point ….Know the laws…In NY you have to become a shit house lawyer…I guarantee there are as many Rednecks in Upstate NY as in any other state…I seriously would not attempt confiscation …Enjoy your New Home…

  • Dave John June 1, 2018, 7:08 am

    I moved back to Upstate NY from Florida…I was a resident of Florida and had a CCP….I am also a NRA Pistol Instructor and RSO…I applied and received a CCP from NY as I owned property there while I was a resident of Florida….The Safe Act stinks, but it has no effect on me as all my rifles are bolts and shotguns are pump…Even my legal length sawed off 12 ga with a pistol grip….You can get NY compliant AR’s btw…Don’t care for them myself I slept with an M 16 for over a year…I have a Combat Infantry Badge and Purple Heart to show for it….NY City sucks, Andrew Cuomo sucks, Politicians suck as a whole…My point is know the laws…Put a sign on your house ” No trespassing “and make it visible…( Read Article 35)…Upstate NY is a great state..And who in hell would want to go to NYC ( btw, the neighboring counties are still NYC mindset)…My wife also has a Fl CCP and NY CCP….She is still a resident of Florida…I can have firearms shipped to Florida in her name and put on my NYS pistol permit as husband and wife can own the same firearm…My point ….Know the laws…In NY you have to become a shit house lawyer…I guarantee there are as many Rednecks in Upstate NY as in any other state…I seriously would not attempt confiscation …Enjoy your New Home…

  • JSMasterson September 25, 2017, 9:23 am

    I live in upstate NY. I came here as a federal law enforcement officer. Before I retired, I had to obtain a pistol permit. It took almost 19 months to obtain and then it was originally for just the ownership of the pistol, not concealed carry. They will not honor the LEOSA carry card, despite it being federal law. I have 2 Governor Cuomoized and neutered AR15s as well. The idiots that passed the Safe Act here (in the middle of the night) are all from downstate NY. They have the population and they control everything even 400 miles away at the other end of the state. This is a crazy state largely run by idiots. A state where you can actually be prosecuted for shooting an armed intruder in your own home!

  • Kris Colt September 24, 2017, 8:19 am

    “I’m in the process of moving back to upstate New York.”

    You moved from there, now you are moving back, and you will move back because the girlfriend said so. Wow!

  • Auggie Will September 24, 2017, 3:23 am

    Why can’t you tell them about your CCL in KY. and the gun is and will stay in your old state till you get all of NY’s paperwork approved?
    At which time you will have the firearm sent to you when all is finished??

  • Bob Lee September 22, 2017, 7:33 pm

    Just as an aside….I live in the Gunshine State (Florida) and I can tell you half the women available to date down here come from NY. It must be a rule or something….Every single one of them are freaked out over guns. This is the culture you are heading for….I have to say I have evolved into cutting my losses up front but it is almost comical to tell them on the first date that I voted for Trump….after that you can kiss the night goodbye but then I can mention concealed carry would be good for them (personal responsibility) and that the cops are only historians of what just happened to you. I know I shouldn’t but I then mention I conceal carry and might just show them a video of my AR with the bump-fire stock…I act normal as hell and just tell them Fla. is where rednecks come from….I leave them all believers…

    • Roger Bowles September 23, 2017, 10:03 am

      Do you mention your kinship to The General?

  • Mike Watkins September 22, 2017, 6:38 pm

    I suppose I could be bribed with money to move to a failed totalitarian state, but certainly not by the difference between what I can earn in Arkansas, and what I could earn in NY, CA, etc.

    Trump’s millions might do it. But self-respect enters into it too. Is the writer of this piece really the kind of guy who voluntarily submits to chains for a few shiny toys? I’m not, unless the aforementioned millions are involved. And then it would definitely be for a very limited number of years.

    They say everyone has his price; the writer’s is obviously lower than mine.

  • George Greco September 22, 2017, 4:53 pm

    What ever happened to Good Faith and Credit? If it is good enough for child support payments when one moves from one state to another then why not for an individual right as an American? Just a thought

  • Zundfolge September 22, 2017, 4:43 pm

    You said “upstate New York” … but you didn’t say how far east. If you’re far enough east, just move to Vermont and let the girlfriend commute into the PRNY. Yeah there’s a lot of hippies there, but the gun laws are among the best in all of New England. They’ve had “constitutional carry” since 1791.

  • Ro Gal September 22, 2017, 3:11 pm

    The other point that is very relevant and significant regarding liberal democratic/progressive imposed laws is this; those laws are for other people, the common folk not the elite class.

  • Dusan Maletic September 22, 2017, 2:35 pm

    You may be lucky because you are moving up-state. As you properly note, in NY State every County does permitting process in their own way. However, there is one (intentional?) catch that I think applies generally-there is NO time limit for the State/County to respond to your application. Be aware of that “little” issue. On Long Island NY where I lived for some time it took for them more than 2 years (yes, two YEARS) to respond to my application, if ever-I actually moved out of state before receiving appointment for required interview (after which there is yet another waiting period of unknown and unlimited length before you actually get the license). As LI is more NYC-like, I hope that people up-state are less intentionally-tardy than LI Counties are, but still-be very aware of that issue. It can take a very, very long time for application process in NY State.

  • Penrod September 22, 2017, 1:55 pm

    “The question I have is what would you do?” OK, since you asked:
    A) Decide whether your girlfriend is worth moving to NY for.
    B) If yes, get married and move. This is actually a bigger issue than the damn guns. Are you both committed or aren’t you? If you aren’t, why are you moving to NY?
    C) If no, problem solved: don’t move to a totalitarian culture.

    I say this as someone who moved from Wisconsin, a more or less decent state, to Hawaii a dozen years ago to get married, and I’ll tell you, Hawaii is a totalitarian culture. I am even prohibited by law from buying my wife a glass of wine at the same time I buy one for myself, because the Hawaii Democrats have decided that they will not allow me to. I have to go through a line twice, even in a private club like an airline club. That is just how banal a totalitarian culture is: EVERYTHING is decided for you by the Democrats, so if you move to NY, embrace the total control by others. You are understood to be incompetent to make decisions for yourself, and the neighbors, i.e. the voters, want it that way. Remember: the NEIGHBORS WANT these laws, so don’t think you are going to get along with them on other issues, either. Control freaks are a culture, not an anomaly.

    If you move to NY, check with a local NY gun dealer to find out how to handle the guns. You may have to store them with someone in KY until you get permits, and have them shipped through a pair of FFLs. If you think that is a pain, just wait until you find out what living in a totalitarian culture is like. It goes far beyond guns. It is total. There is a reason the NY population is declining. People are moving out for a reason.

  • skipNclair September 22, 2017, 12:02 pm

    You failed to mention one major thing in your article or question, and that is what would make you happier and enjoy life more? If your moving to New York for money and you don’t think, and it sounds like it that you won’t be as happy why go? Happiness and less stress are more important then money. Old saying, “money isn’t everything. The cost of living expenses of living in New York will pretty much offset the difference of what you probably make now, when you consider all factors. The traffic. tolls. parking, property cost with taxes, fuel price, food, the list is endless. Now one thing I would also consider is the SHTF day and there you and you girlfriend are with bridges and tunnels to deal with if you have to move or run. I cannot imagine how that traffic will be if something major hits and all the folks are in a panic and trying to get out. Now I do find a very bright side, and that is they have along with New Jersey the best bagels, the best breads, the best damn pizza and many other foods that are much better there. But hey they will just make you fatter, and if the SHTF and you have to run, so live without that and enjoy the good ole country cooking. Imagine if there is a problem and just one tunnel is out or a bridge, not even one of the well known ones, but lets say the cross island, or the Whitestone, it would destroy all movement. Sounds like your a long Island type so at least you won’t have super major problems if you move fast, but are you commuting to one of the boroughs not good.
    If you love happiness, the girlfriend, better freedom, less stressfull life, stay in Kentucky, if none of the above but remember the list is longer move to New York. If you think the laws are bad now just wait they will not get any better, Been getting worse since Wyatt the pig Earrp started gun control way back in the days of the good old west. Your the man make the decision, and if she does not like it, then she is not the right woman for you, Good fortune to you no matter what you choosee. By the way I love New York and New Jersey, just nice to visit and bad places to live, and again only going to get worse.

    • grifhunter September 23, 2017, 8:35 pm

      I moved to NY 25 years ago for the same reason, wife and money. The wife was worth it, but with mone, the old adage is true….Its NOT what you make, ITS WHAT YOU KEEP! And after 25 years working in this state in a decent paying profession, I have nothing to show for it primarily due to 1) insane property taxes 2) higher auto insurance rates to pay for the massive fraud on the insurance industry perpetrated by scumbag NYers, citizens and illegals, who have figured out that NY juries will set them up for life with their phony lawsuits. I pay $8k a year for car insurance, almost $3k for homeowners insurance.

      Over priced utilities, confiscatory sales tax, tolls, highest gas tax, $350 for a pistol license that only allows me to keep it in my home. The roads are terrible so I by tires and suspension parts more frequently than the better paved areas of the country. There are fewer tradesman, and virtually no gunsmiths or ranges where I live. We pay a premium for what we do have when we spend on these needs. Health insurance is insanely priced because of all the statist mandates and overcharges to pay for the freebies and illegals. The state treats working people like an ATM to pay for free tuition for the riff-raff that the state attracts.

      Honestly, if the new job pays $40-50,000 more, you at best are breaking even, and getting less freedom and crappy weather.

  • jd September 22, 2017, 11:53 am

    The state is pushing many manufacturing jobs away from the state because of a hostile business climate. More regulations=more expense to business. the state is dying except for maybe NYC. More laws to take from people that work for a living and give to people who take for a living. Free college for all. Nothing is free. somebody always has to pay for it. Who do you think that is? You, the taxpayer. How do you think people value something that is always given to them? as a gift. not that highly. the best students are those that know what it took to send them to college. Given to them? might as well goof off because it did not cost me anything. someone else paid for it.

  • jd September 22, 2017, 11:48 am

    Unfortunately NYC liberals run the entire state thru control of the governorship and state legislature. Most in NYC and their elected officials have never owned a gun, shot a gun, went hunting, fishing. Even walked in the woods so they believe everyone else in the entire state should not have guns in any form. “Everyone should get their meat the same place as they do…the supermarket. The police will always be there to protect you.” Other crap like that. The vote for governor is won in NYC. The elected governor only wins about 5 of the 60 counties in the state. Don’t move to NY.

  • Dave September 22, 2017, 11:32 am

    NYS is bad all around, even when it comes to supposed “Gun Rights” organizations like the NYS Rifle & Pistol Association. Check what they are about here. https://nygunforum.com/threads/6-things-nysrpa-does-not-want-you-to-know.1421/

    And here for how they use member money for their own enrichment. https://nygunforum.com/threads/tom-king-sells-out-nysrpa-members-again.9939/#post-171167

    Sad, but true.

  • Larry September 22, 2017, 10:37 am

    Comparing the cost of living in both states, I cannot see how the girlfriend can make enough money more to justify moving to the Socialist State of New York over the freedom of Kentucky. I’m afraid I would be saying goodbye to the girlfriend. And remember, Ky girls are generally better cooks!

  • Bob Bell September 22, 2017, 10:28 am

    Living here in NY since I was born, but was in the Military for 5 years and stationed in the South for a good part of it. I was able to buy guns with no permits in Fla. at that time. Brought my gun back to NY under my military orders but didn’t register it till I moved a bit outside NYC. Back in ’79 it took 12 weeks to get a license once you got 5 signatures of local residents who lived here for 5 years or more. The NY State police now have gotten involved with increasing the restrictions and having to re register every 5 years which was never required before. So! hope your moving to a county outside NYC and also you can have a gun held by a Gun Smith in another state which gives you what you need to get it registered. Then when your here you can have it send it to you local gunsmith here. Good Luck!

  • Mike September 22, 2017, 10:21 am

    And don’t forget most countries in NY require the references to live in the county you (wish) to live in, making it almost impossible for someone from out of state to achieve

  • Mike September 22, 2017, 10:18 am

    And don’t forget most countries

  • Rich September 22, 2017, 9:56 am

    You couldn’t pay me enough, under any circumstances, to give up my freedom by moving to a socialist “paradise” like the Peoples’ Republic of Kalifornia, nearly all of the New England states (with the possible exception of Vermont – don’t know what their laws are concerning semi-auto military look-alikes and other “scary guns”, though), New Jersey, and even Obamaland (Illinois). You can’t buy freedom, and once it is taken away, it is difficult to regain. Remember that, folks, next time you vote for a leftist “out of protest” because you don’t like some of the policies a right-wing candidate supports. The Second Amendment is the link-pin that makes the tyrants respect the rest of them, which is why they try to erode and qualify it with “reasonable” restrictions.

  • John Taylor September 22, 2017, 9:52 am

    Life is too short to live in slavery to one’s government. I was born and raised in upstate New York. In 1987 I went on active duty with the Army and lived in free places, mostly south of the Mason-Dixon line, for the next 22 years. I will never live in a non-free state again. Think twice about your girlfriends pay raise and whether living in slavery is really worth the pay increase. And that pay increase won’t be nearly what you think it is after you get taxed in New York. Its a shame b/c upstate New York is one of the most beautiful places in the country. When I was growing up in the 60’s and 70’s we all used to joke about New York City and Long Island and surrounding counties suffering an earthquake and floating off into the ocean, like Hawaii, to form the 51st state, and leaving us in upstate free. Do yourself and your girlfriend a favor and stay put. No amount of pay increase is worth the level of bureaucracy and corruption you’re about to encounter. And read carefully what people above wrote…one guy got his permit b/c his dad was well known, another got his b/c his family had lived there for decades, or another had a good sheriff. Those are all examples of people living in slavery and being entirely unaware of it. Stay in Kentucky, move to another free state, help the girlfriend get a different job, whatever. But if you move get used to oppressive levels of government intrusion in your daily life. Good luck.

  • mauser6863 September 22, 2017, 9:03 am

    Be a good Dog and jump through all the hoops as the Master commands. When you are given state permission to have a pistol in your own home, be happy. Being able to actually CCW is another long process. Many people, especially in the City hire a company to navigate the entire process for them. Do a web search and take a look. Political reality is not the same as what the rules and regulations say.

    Really the best part is, no matter what county issues your permits, none are good in New York City, as they apparently are special and require you to beg permission from them, which is likely not possible, unless you are a resident of the actual City of New York. In most states (maybe all), permits are good statewide, not true in New York state.

    Side note, I moved from California to Arizona five years ago. I make basically half the income that I made in the Socialist Paradise. Not only is my standard of living much better, lower prices, lower taxes, nicer people, safer streets, better schools, etc. even with the lower income, I am still living at the same economic level or maybe a little better.

    I hope you and you girlfriend seriously did the math, as any apparent increase in income will be significantly eroded by taxes and cost of living in the People’s Republic of New York. As you drive around upstate you will see all these little towns that used to have thriving communities in them. Now they cater to tourists and have been on the decline for decades, as the rural population is subject to the same oppressive rules and regulations as the “rich” city folks. Since the power to tax, is the power to destroy, these towns are dead or dying. California is the same, once you leave the coastal areas and go inland.

    Good Luck to you both, you will need it.

  • Ralph September 22, 2017, 9:02 am

    The laws in upstate New York, whether you choose to believe it or not, are are lot more accommodating than the draconian laws in the city proper, (NYC) and this I can attest to as a former NYC Police Officer. attempt to obtain a Concealed Carry permit there and you’ll really be frustrated, but be advised, if you receive your carry permit in your upstate county of residence, 99% of the time it will not be valid in the City or its surrounding boroughs (counties) of NYC.

  • Griffendad September 22, 2017, 9:01 am

    I moved from NY 30 years ago and hate going back. Sometimes you do for family and friends.
    Here’s a small list of increased costs you may or may not have thought of:
    Housing: you’ll never get what you have in KY.
    Taxes: state, county, town all want that new salary.
    Insurance: car and home up significantly.
    Clothing tax, gas tax higher, tolls, electric, cable, food, school tax.
    Hope you were sitting down.
    You’ve got way more than a lonely detective special to worry about.

  • Jeffrey L. Frischkorn September 22, 2017, 8:38 am

    Keep the Colt.. Ditch the girlfriend. There, problem solved…

    • jerome L. greenberg September 22, 2017, 8:59 am

      The further upstate, the better. Thank goodness you are not in NYC! It was a bitch getting that permit. It sucks but you need to jump through all the hoops. Good Luck

  • Dave September 22, 2017, 8:37 am

    The sad fact is you are moving to a police state. I live in south eastern NY and about 30 miles north of NYC. Years ago I tried to convert my regular license into a CCW, and the local liberal judge nixed it because my reason (working part time for a check cashing business ) was not my primary income…. It all depends on the county you are moving to. Upstate you should have better luck, and with your wife as a police officer, that should be a helpful reference.
    As for the guns, you will have to most likely leave them with a gun dealer in KY and when you have your licence, He then can ship them up to you… and upstate NY as dangerous as you make it out to be, I used to live in central NY.

  • Ric Hoyt September 22, 2017, 8:20 am

    I feel your pain, I am going through the same thing. Retired from the Air Force after 20 years and my wife and I just moved back to the family farm east of Buffalo taking care of aging parents. Our guns are in exile in Oklahoma while we go through the process to be able to legally exercise our 2a “rights” in NY. NY needs to divide into East and West like VA. NYC controls what everyone has to do in the rural areas. One of those taxation without representation deals. Good luck, hopefully you have a 2a friendly Sheriff and Judge in your county, we do in ours.
    Of note, you apply for the permit, get approved, then add the pistols to your permit afterwards, because you can’t own one until they sign off on it. You have to add every pistol you own, so if you have six, you put five on one, the sixth goes on another permit, so you have to carry multiple permits or run the risk of carrying the wrong gun/permit combination and become a criminal again.
    I moved here from UT most recently, which really sucks as it is about the most gun friendly state out there.

  • Douglas Pratt September 22, 2017, 7:26 am

    Welcome to the club. I was born in upstate NY near Niagara Falls, although I raised my family in Virginia where the work was. When I finally realized my dream and inherited the house my grandfather built, I realized that the gun situation would involve some work. My Top Secret clearance and status as an NRA certified Instructor meant nothing in my home state. I had to get four people to sign a notarized statement that I was OK, get fingerprinted again, take a class, and get signed off by a judge. There is only one judge in my county. My collection of old Beretta pistols had to stay under lock and key in VA until that permit came through. Fortunately everyone here knows everyone else, my dad was a Justice of the Peace at one time, and my permit cleared the barriers. But I still couldn’t bring my CX4 Carbine into the state without removing the forward grip. Insane. There is hope; please support Rep. Chris Collins, who has introduced a bill that would standardize laws nationwide for long guns and strike down most of NY’s stupid “SAFE act.” If that can get to the President’s desk, handguns will be next. It’s going to take action by the Feds to remove the worst parts of the NY laws; our state government is historically corrupt. (Oh, that’s also a reason why I don’t support a constitutional convention; all the wrong people would be focused on it, to get their gravy trains into the state Constitution.) Good luck, brother, and come out to the Niagara area when you can; the apples and local wineries are spectacular.

    • stephen stewart September 22, 2017, 9:14 am

      Your CX4 carbine would still be ‘illegal’ in NY even with the forward grip removed. The shitty SafeAct states that any semi auto rifle with a removable magazine cannot have certain features. The CX4 has an obvious pistol grip that is one of those banned features.

  • Scott Kimble September 22, 2017, 7:10 am

    Well if this story were true of you moving to upstatr ny. Come and see me. A misnomer here is that you cant cross. Well as i recall if you obtain florida and nevada and utah you can have carry in almost all of the states including ny. Another flaw in the story is having to have the gun at the time of application, this is false. You apply and depending on the county wait time is 1-9 or more months. I personally was able to get mine in 8 months. (These are more recent times not years ago). Once you are granted a permit you then go to the gun store show them your permit just to actually handle the firearm buy i and do the paperwork, take said paperwork to the county clerk, pay a fee to add it to your permit then go back to the store and pick up the firearm.
    One thing not mentioned here is that you have other restrictions to hand guns. 10 round only mags gan fit in it unless you have a gun prior to the safe act that was allowable then.

    More over i was born here, used to love it here and cant wait to find something to get me the heck out of here. Several good friends and highschool class mates all out of the state and down south in good gun friendly states.
    Moving here for money will only eat at your soul. The state has the worst credit rating, worst business friendly state and people are leaving in droves.

    Not worth it.

    NY Blues depression.

    • stephen stewart September 22, 2017, 9:20 am

      You recall WRONG. NY State does not recognize ANY other state carry permits PERIOD. If you are an out of state resident there is no legal way to carry a handgun in NY.

      • Ron September 22, 2017, 11:16 am

        Unless you are an LEO which gives you 50 state carry rights

        • brad September 22, 2017, 12:23 pm

          Ron NYC does not recognize the Leo carry concept unless you are “on the clock” in which there are several restrictions on that also. most cops will cut breaks to fellow Leo’s but its not the law and you are taking a chance that can cost your life as you know it. In 1997 i was a Pa CCW permit holder in NYC at a Traffic stop for another driver. Long story short I spent the next 3 Years w/ NY DOC for a handgun Locked in center console and 1 locked in trunk. Needless to say it has cost me more than i can ever tell. I was told because I couldn’t pay 20,000 to my lawyer i would be found guilty. The corruption and filth running everything there is gross. they are an abomination to our constitution and should be destroyed. it is unbelievable how far they are from what our country stands for. True upstate is probably 1 of the most beautiful places in the east but as a whole they make Sodom and Gamorha look like a great place for a family vacation. To truly make this nation great again we would have to excommunicate both NY and CA.

    • Pat J September 22, 2017, 11:00 am

      Oregon native with a CHL, good nowhere but Oregon. Also have a non-resident Utah permit for carry in states which recognize.
      Will not drive through California, will not surrender weapons at Canadian border, will never go to NYC, will not go where I can’t carry. EXCEPT, to Philadelphia-grandkids. Bloomberg stooge AG revoked non-resident permit carry, and Philly is much as NYC is decried above. For 10 days a year I’m naked.

  • GW September 22, 2017, 6:48 am

    Welcome back to NY, if your moving upstate it will be easier, depending on the county your going to live in, some give unrestricted carry permits like the county I live in, others put restrictions of their choosing such as carrying only when at a range or while hunting. If your moving to NYC or nearby counties forget getting a carry permit, the chances are very slim unless you have connections to people in power. Your also limited to ten round mags in which you can only load ten rounds while at a range, seven anywhere else including inside your home, it’s part of “The Safe Act” which you better read. Also know if your wife has a pistol, you can’t touch it, it’s a violation for anyone without a permit to even touch a pistol or for someone to allow them to take “possession” (hold or handle it). And, if you have any semi-auto long guns, know that AR’s and AK (as well as some other models must be heavily modified) so they won’t have certain features and fall under the Assault Weapon definitions. Also part of the Safe Act, if you loose your permit, (doesn’t have to be for a felony) you loose ALL your firearms.

    The best way to bring your pistol in, leave them with a friend or better yet a trusted FFL, once you have your permit here have that friend take them to an FFL or have the FFL you left them with ship them to a FFL up here. The FFL up here will give you a “bill of sale” type paper work showing the make, model, caliber, ser# and such, take that to the county clerk, they decide if you can put them on your permit (some county’s the judge will review the request and give the thumbs up or down), once they give the notice it’s OK you’ll get a certificate for each one from the county clerk, take those to the FFL up here, go through the federal background check, then you can finally pick up your guns, fun ain’t it? So again, welcome backkkk…. You know my grandparents told me there’s an old Indian curse, if you are a native NY’er and leave, you’ll return, they must have been Democrats 😉

    Good Luck, if you move to the Broome, Tioga, Cortland County area look me up, I’ll take you as guest you to a decent range were I use to teach pistol safety classes.

    P.S. On one of the NRA’s web pages they show the pistol permit restrictions for each county, well at least it was there the last time I looked which was a year or so ago, you could call them and ask, I’m sure they could provide you with the info.

    • stephen stewart September 22, 2017, 9:03 am

      Not true about the seven round comment. The SafeAct was amended to allow 10 rounds NO MATTER WHERE you carry/use your firearm.

  • Roger F. Garner September 22, 2017, 6:42 am

    The cost of living in the Vampire State far exceeds where you are now . Money is not worth your peace of mind.

  • chris September 22, 2017, 6:41 am

    i left new york 3 years ago , and i’ll tell you something else about new york , they don’t issue non – resident permits
    so you have to move there and establish residency first
    so good luck with that

  • Mark September 22, 2017, 6:32 am

    Well thanks for bringing this up. I live in the crappy state of ny and can’t leave because I’m the only responsible one in my family that helps my grandma and parents. I’ll be stuck here a long time. Also I just got a job working for NYs so I’m stuck again.

    I would just like to point out I live in Erie county ny and my pistol permit took 14 months. It’s not uncommon for those around here to get 18-24 month wait times. Also my permit had restrictions on it so I was not allowed to concealed carry. It costs me $500 in training to get my permit upgraded to a full carry. There are so many restrictions on where you can and can’t carry too its ridiculous. I know you all can say I choose to live here, but I can’t leave everyone. Also my wife s parents are her too.

    • mauser6863 September 22, 2017, 9:32 am

      Family is important. I decided to leave all of mine and drive 8 hours from California to Arizona. I did it for myself and for the future of my children. Did I miss out on birthdays, holidays, dinners, etc. Yup. The internet, video calls and Facebook (spy book) helped and kept the kids and wife connected as did texting and phone calls. Heck I didn’t relocate to the Moon!!! We went back a couple of times for visits; the traffic, the high costs for everything and the crowds always convinced us we made the right decision.

      I was lucky that my mother had a full time, live-in care giver and my sisters were nearby. I can tell you if she was all alone and I was an only child, I still would have moved to Arizona and taken Mom with me. She wouldn’t have liked it, but it would have been pretty easy to make happen, as the sale of the California home would have easily paid for a lower priced better Arizona home, with a bucket of cash left over. Her quality of life would have improved too.

      I know all the arguments against, Mom and Dad grew up here, all their friends and family are here, etc, etc. The reason Florida is called “God’s Waiting Room” is because of all the old New Yorkers who retire there to get away from the high cost of living, property taxes higher than some house payments and the New York “Death Tax”. The warm weather and lack of snow is simply a bonus. All my Mom and Dad’s friends got old too and either died or rarely left the house, so visits were few and then went to none. All she every did was walk around her complex, go to the doctor and the store and get her hair done every two weeks. She never used the pool or the tennis courts as she got older. She enjoyed visits the most with me, my wife and her grand kids.

      My advice, do what is best for you and your family. Don’t be a slave to peer pressure or the desire to please everyone. America will welcome you as it did me.

      Get out of New York if you can.

  • Roger September 22, 2017, 6:08 am

    And you believe the politicians are upstanding people in the state of NY? Ha! Anyway, NY is a nice state. There are a lot of nice places there. It is the politics and laws and cost of living that are unbearable and oppressive. Everywhere you go you pay money with tolls, And the taxes are unreasonable. NY is a nice place to be- from, actually.

  • BulletMagnetEd September 22, 2017, 6:04 am

    Do yourself a favor. Don’t move here. I live in Nassau County. Everything is more expensive in NY. Everything is more oppressive in NY. Tell your GF she’d be better off finding another job in a pro-freedom State because chances are costs will be lower and you won’t endure the CCW issues. Oh yeah, and getting a CCW is not a sure thing in NY. You can’t even get one in downstate NY if you aren’t retired law enforcement or a business owner. The state minions and corrupt Leftist fascists in state government all think you need to have some writ from the Good Lord above to have the privilege of having a CCW. That’s correct, it’s a “privilege” to get one here. You don’t have a right to a concealed carry license in NY. You are at the whims of your county government when you try to get one.

  • Jo September 22, 2017, 5:44 am

    Didn\’t even waste my time reading the entire thing. I realize it\’s just an expose on New York\’s crappy gun laws but I fell sorry for NO ONE who knowingly moves there who is pro-gun. Money isn\’t everything, this person is obviously a SELLOUT and has no real convictions or principles.

  • Gary September 22, 2017, 5:30 am

    If you coming to Columbia County, send me an email.

  • Dave B September 22, 2017, 4:26 am

    Hey S.H.,
    I live in upstate NY. Every county is different for the length of time it takes to obtain a handgun license. This state is rough not only on CC but long guns as well. If you have questions email me

  • Richard September 22, 2017, 4:22 am

    Get a new girlfriend. I left New York after the Safe Act was passed. I was born in NY. I ran a third generation family business for 40 years. I lived there my entire life but at age 62, that was the straw that broke the camel’s back. Moved to Florida. Never looked back. I did not leave NY. New York left me. Four months to get a carry permit? In your dreams. Try a year and don’t be stupid and try to break the law. Leave those guns in KY until you have a permit. Each one of those guns will be listed on the back of your permit and it may or may not be public record depending on your county. Good luck to you. Droves of us have left the Democratic People’s Republic of New York. Any wonder why they are paying more to fill jobs. Kiss your girlfriend gooood bye. Or your guns. Read up on the Safe Act before you go.

  • Bill September 21, 2017, 10:37 pm

    Welcome to the “People’s Republic of New York” !!! The correct procedure would be to leave the handgun at a Kentucky FFL make the move, secure the NY pistol permit and then have the gun shipped/transferred to a NY FFL then added to your NY permit. Getting caught with an unlicensed handgun would be a nightmare with criminal charges, legal costs and possible jail time. Do a internet search on “NY Criminal Possession of a Weapon”. NY is a “may issue” state, so I hope you have a clean record. The State form above asks about arrests, charges and indictments, not just convictions. Each county adds their own unique sets of paperwork and requirements. Some require safety classes, some want character references to be local county residents, etc
    Good Luck !

  • Will Drider September 21, 2017, 11:41 am

    I would not move to any gun grabbing State. Screw the money, whats your life worth, that (worst case scenario) is exactly what you would do by moving to NY. Is more money actually a tangible benefit with the cost of living in NY compaired to KY? If your lady is hell bent on going try the long distance relationship thing or just let go, there are more ladies out there.
    Its just a job offer, find another that pays well in a gun friendly State like FL or ID.

  • Mark September 20, 2017, 11:30 pm

    Well it’s pretty clear who wears the pants in this relationship, try manning up and growing a pair. I’d rather live poor than relocate to an ultra-Commie state like NY, chasing an American dream that doesn’t even exist anymore.
    Also, this reciprocity is a waste of time. Pro-gun states already recognize each others permits increasingly. There is no way NY, NJ and CA will ever recognize an out of state CCW. You might not get charged with a felony but you will probably spend a night or two in jail, along with hiring a lawyer and going to court. Just ask the travelers who go through NY airports with guns legally in their luggage, they are arrested in violation of Federal law but NY doesn’t care. Time would be better spent chipping away at the NFA and/or repealing the Hughes Amendment.
    Have fun in NY!

  • hiplnsdrftr September 20, 2017, 8:46 pm

    As a resident of NYC I feel your blues. There are some knowledgable guys up here that fully understand the laws and the actual process versus the theoretical process to legally possess a firearm. If you google you can find them, the guy I connected with named Lance was very helpful for my particular situation. Yours would be slightly easier.

  • tsh77769 September 20, 2017, 7:20 pm

    Interestingly enough the courts have ruled that people who are in violation of the law do not have to register their guns or tell the truth on a 4473 becasue doing so would be a violation of their 5th amendment rights against self incrimination. How interesting.

    • JC Blauvelt September 22, 2017, 7:16 am

      Just wait until you want to own and AR type rifle. Impossible. Unless you want a goofy looking sanitized AR “thing” . If you have one in KY do not bring it to NY. You can not have it here or legally register it. Between the freedoms you lose and the HIGH taxes you will end up with less and living poorer. Believe me. I was there and left years ago for PA and freedom.

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